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the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009

90s Cringe Rock posted:

it's not like they're trying to build a nuclear-powered robot

Imagining a British built EVA unit subcontracted to g4s and in the end the angels just feel bad and go home

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the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
The T in AT field now stands for traveller. Get in the robot Priti

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
the eva's power cable goes through the channel tunnel and will not be repaired until march

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
chairman keil

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





crossquoting from the Europe thread

Antifa Poltergeist posted:

Jesus wept, the cumbre vieja eruption .


https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58620555

Stay safe, Spanish goons.

lmao if this actually brings about the tsunami we were talking about yesterday

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol classic labour right

https://twitter.com/JamesMills1984/status/1439840786179317761?s=19

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
It’s amazing how fast everything is collapsing as the worst people in the world keep making the worst choices at the worst moments. There’s no way the climate crisis doesn’t go nuclear if this is what western leadership is.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Rosie duffield having a normal one lol

https://twitter.com/Seunte/status/1439872238145228800?s=19

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Energy company nationalisation is wildly popular but the labour right have such unpleasant politics compared to the rest of the country that it's an impossibility

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Venomous posted:

the fact they were self aware enough not to go with AUSUK, USUKA or USAUK is the most disappointing part of this whole story

Funny how these three are gonna continue self-owning themselves through endless grifts before their boogeymans fires their first shot

Valko
Sep 18, 2015
gently caress the BBC.

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1439168844510154752

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

brexflation

Flayer
Sep 13, 2003

by Fluffdaddy
Buglord
Time to stock up on cheap Anchovies from Lidl while I still can.

Although I bet those crafty Germans will figure something out.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
had a chicken salad sandwich from sainsbury's for lunch. loads of chicken, easily an extra 50% over the last few times I've had one and the others on the shelf were the same, but really skimping on the lettuce and cucumber. loving brexit.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
she criticised men appropriating gay culture in the interview too lol

https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1439908929115500548?s=20

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


She's lost the loving plot, if she ever had it. Transphobia truly is the derangement of British middle class women of a certain age.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1439904033653858304?s=19

quote:

“I took the decision a few weeks ago not to go,” the Canterbury MP told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

“I didn’t want to be the centre of attention. This is Keir Starmer’s first conference speech since the pandemic. I think it’s really important we focus on that and the policies that emerge from conference. I really did not want to be the news story.”
"I really did not want to be the news story" - Woman who is on national radio discussing her comments in a national newspaper

XMNN has issued a correction as of 12:59 on Sep 20, 2021

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

shes going all in lmao

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Why not kieth has shown he's completely spineless

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


forkboy84 posted:

She's lost the loving plot, if she ever had it. Transphobia truly is the derangement of British middle class women of a certain age.

Why is that, though?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
for all of the non-brits reading the stuff that rosie duffield is protesting is all enshrined in UK law from the equalities act the last labour government implemented. Its extremely loving dangerous considering how the current government are that the party haven't slapped her down for this considering there have been outstanding complaints for over a year about stuff she's posted on twitter

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

Mr. Lobe posted:

Why is that, though?

i put blame mostly on the press but not for the reasons i usually do. the redtops never stopped being awful but the problem here was the liberal papers - the british commentariat is one of the most singularly embarrassing in the world, even when contrasted with other just phenomenal examples in the anglosphere in large part because it's the most openly stratified on the planet. and due to a bunch of historical factors related to second wave feminism that someone else can explain better there were a lot of british feminists in the 80s and 90s who did not like trans women there were a bunch of liberal papers who wanted to hire hip new opinion writers at some point in the 1990s and they've never left - so you get this horrific critical mass of aristo liberal terf journalists who think they're counterculture and boy howdy did it go off.

CoolCab has issued a correction as of 13:09 on Sep 20, 2021

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Jose posted:

for all of the non-brits reading the stuff that rosie duffield is protesting is all enshrined in UK law from the equalities act the last labour government implemented. Its extremely loving dangerous considering how the current government are that the party haven't slapped her down for this considering there have been outstanding complaints for over a year about stuff she's posted on twitter

But has she said anything bad about Israel?

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
another thing is that in the 80s the left were standing up for gay rights against things like section 28 and the labour leader Kinnock got incredibly homophobic when bashing them and the movement to repeal section 28. Starmer really is speed running being Kinnock except even more pathetic

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
first as a tragedy then infinity times as a farce, increasing in magnitude each go

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lol of course they're going with the worst possible option

https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1439891137330827264?s=20

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
neoliberal history repeating itself endlessly I see
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1439925149881577481

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

wasn’t there a recent fad for councils to set up their own energy companies? lots already lost money but maybe this might explode further?

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

Jel Shaker posted:

wasn’t there a recent fad for councils to set up their own energy companies? lots already lost money but maybe this might explode further?

yeah bristol did and it was an absolute loving disaster

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Mr. Lobe posted:

Why is that, though?

Leaded petrol & lead water pipes? hosed if I know.

I suspect part of it could be that someone like Germaine Greer is an influential figure for feminists of a certain vintage & as early as 1989 she was describing a transwoman as “a gross parody of my sex.” Add to that, Britain's media punditocracy is pretty small & incestuous; they almost all seem to know and socialise together, even the ones who hate each other apparently. And so I guess if one domino falls like Julie Bindel then she takes more with her, especially when they see their friend being called a bigot and she couldn't be a bigot because she's my friend.

I dunno, I'm leaning towards lead poisoning

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

forkboy84 posted:

Leaded petrol & lead water pipes? hosed if I know.

I suspect part of it could be that someone like Germaine Greer is an influential figure for feminists of a certain vintage & as early as 1989 she was describing a transwoman as “a gross parody of my sex.” Add to that, Britain's media punditocracy is pretty small & incestuous; they almost all seem to know and socialise together, even the ones who hate each other apparently. And so I guess if one domino falls like Julie Bindel then she takes more with her, especially when they see their friend being called a bigot and she couldn't be a bigot because she's my friend.

I dunno, I'm leaning towards lead poisoning

i'm still not entirely sure why second wave (i think second wave is the terf wave my history and theory there is terrible) feminism wound up so insanely powerful comparatively in the UK in particular. i still think it was because the modern nobility is radically overrepresented.

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=
I've seen talk about how britain never had a 3rd wave of race-inclusive feminism like America did so there's no practice with intersectionality and so the institutions are still all just middle class white women.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Mr. Lobe posted:

Why is that, though?

My own theory is basically that it's from a faction of their wave of feminism, a faction who were basically gender separatists.

In reaction to a really lovely patriarchal world they doubled down on the idea of being a woman as its own, totally separate thing, almost a different species.
This manifested as all kinds of things, political lesbianism, wicca, new age stuff. As a way of living life and finding a self identity that doesn't spring from male ideology. In this view the two sexes are scientifically and spiritually separate.
If you go a certain way with it you end up basically massively reinforcing and embracing the separation of the sexes that we recognise from right wing social conservatism.

The idea that a man can become a woman is totally anathema to this ideology since its all based around the essential, divine, fact of biological sex.
When confronted with the fact of intersex or trans people or women who don't menstruate, they either change their long held beliefs or just double down endlessly into madness.

That's my theory at least, based mainly on the things they say and how it maps with what me Ma tells me about her life growing up amongst educated women in the feminist movement during the "sex wars".

I told her really early on that she couldn't become a terf and that headed her off at the pass thankfully.
But it still pops up now and again like she told me recently that she didn't believe men could be feminists, despite raising me as a feminist my entire life and me arguing the case of feminism with other men and women for as far back as I can remember.

E: it's over represented cause it was popular among university educated women back then, and theyr all boomers now who hold all the positions of influence.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


CoolCab posted:

i'm still not entirely sure why second wave (i think second wave is the terf wave my history and theory there is terrible) feminism wound up so insanely powerful comparatively in the UK in particular. i still think it was because the modern nobility is radically overrepresented.

I blame liberalism, as is my way.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

gonadic io posted:

I've seen talk about how britain never had a 3rd wave of race-inclusive feminism like America did so there's no practice with intersectionality and so the institutions are still all just middle class white women.

maybe middle class by salary and in a handful of examples of actually working class people like dawn foster who got in by being a few dozen times better than their average. it goes right out the loving window when you look into it and find out their parents are worth hundreds of millions of pounds and writing is more or less something they do when they're not literally jerking off.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


gonadic io posted:

I've seen talk about how britain never had a 3rd wave of race-inclusive feminism like America did so there's no practice with intersectionality and so the institutions are still all just middle class white women.

There's truth to that. Britain is a really white country. In 2011 86.4% of the population identified as white in the census. 7.2% Asian, 3.1% Black. And if you excluded London from those numbers it'd be even more pasty and sunburnt.

Growing up in Northern Scotland, you were diverse if you were English, never mind non-white. I think in my 6 years of High School there were maybe 5 to 10 kids who weren't white.

Add that lack of ethnic diversity to the fact that you aren't likely to get a prominent media job if you didn't attend a fee paying school and it gets even worse as far as diversity goes. And thus yes, it's an awful lot of upper middle class people with an exceedingly limited life experience, and odds are the same can be said of their social circles.

I'm always happy to blame a large part of Britain's ills on independent schools and their alumni

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

gonadic io posted:

I've seen talk about how britain never had a 3rd wave of race-inclusive feminism like America did so there's no practice with intersectionality and so the institutions are still all just middle class white women.

it's this but also someone took all the iodine out of our sandwiches

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Away from TERFs for a minute, someone posted this in UKMT & I'm crossposting because it's some perfectly smooth brained policy proposal

https://twitter.com/thecourieruk/status/1439918521861935110

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lmao

current state of the NHS: i'm awaiting assessment for adult autism and just had them phone me to ask if I wanted to have it transferred to a private company because they can get me seen in october to try and get waiting lists down. This is after being referred at the start of March and potentially having to wait until next year otherwise

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lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Jose posted:

lmao

current state of the NHS: i'm awaiting assessment for adult autism and just had them phone me to ask if I wanted to have it transferred to a private company because they can get me seen in october to try and get waiting lists down. This is after being referred at the start of March and potentially having to wait until next year otherwise

transfer to private and embrace aukus

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