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Rubby
Aug 31, 2002

<3 Louby

Mr. Lobe posted:

this person appears to be petit bourgeoise. they get to wear the boot, a little bit, as a treat
https://twitter.com/franlondon/status/1438885307986837504?s=20

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MysteriousStranger
Mar 3, 2016
My "vacation" is a euphemism for war tourism in Ukraine for some "bloody work" to escape my boring techie job and family.

Ask me about my warcrimes.

Zeroisanumber posted:

LEAN Six Sigma providing efficiency ladies and gentlemen!

I don't even think there's much of an emergency pool of medical labor that we can tap. Gonna end up with states and hospital systems competing for labor, which means that bigger hospitals in wealthier areas are going to suck up all of the talent and the poor/rural/less-desirable areas are going to get hosed.

Maybe we could pull out of the military but that's just another way of robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Chuds keep on chudding up the COVID response and eventually the military is going to have to take this poo poo over. And if you think the screaming about government tyranny is bad now wait till that happens. Then again maybe having the national guard just going through and tranq darting people to give them COVID shots would be pretty cool.

empty whippet box
Jun 9, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Skyl3lazer posted:

I think it's really important to realize that unless you work in healthcare or communicate daily on a personal level w/ someone who does, you are underestimating the strain on medical staff at the moment.

Even if you think you get it, you're off by an order of magnitude. Vacancies tell part of the story, and 'understaffed' metrics kind of tell part, but the whole truth is way worse. Even in 'better' places, enough people are quitting weekly that you'll see like, 5 vacancies for a role, then more will quit but the hospital will shove some of those positions on to already-overburdened staff and not increase the vacancies, and after a month they'll have hired 3 new people who all quit within 3-4 days. Nobody new is coming in to the system and they're losing 1-3% of their workforce a week at a minimum.

I've heard stories even of people getting called in for a shift because *every single person it called out or quit,* then they get asked to work a double. Hell, a large hospital around here just started authorizing overtime, which means for a huge portion of this pandemic people weren't even getting paid for the extra shifts they were doing. The longer this goes, the more gruesome it's going to become, because even if the number hospitalized goes down, the capacity hospitals have to treat patients is going down faster.

I'm not looking forward to this winter.

sounds like the hospitals are saving tons of money on payroll! so really who can say if it's good or bad.

Skyl3lazer
Aug 27, 2007

[Dooting Stealthily]



Zeroisanumber posted:

I don't even think there's much of an emergency pool of medical labor that we can tap.

There is, it's essential a group of work-when-you-want type employees, and those people just don't show up most of the time now. They'll get put on a schedule then just not show up.

Zeroisanumber posted:

Gonna end up with states and hospital systems competing for labor, which means that bigger hospitals in wealthier areas are going to suck up all of the talent and the poor/rural/less-desirable areas are going to get hosed.

I'm not even sure if this is accurate, because it isn't the highly paid positions that aren't getting filled, it's the techs and nurses and such that probably cant afford to move at all, let alone pay rent in a wealthy area. I think it'll just kind of degrade everywhere. I'm sure the already hosed poor and rural areas will hit failure first, but it isn't going to be from brain drain.

Rah!
Feb 21, 2006



lol

:abuela:

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003



insufferable people are like that old definition of pornography, 'you know it when you see it.'

McNugget Buddy
Aug 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

i am harry posted:

capitalized the word elder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_(Latter_Day_Saints)

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Peter Daou Zen posted:

how is Tennessee doing so bad at this

how

everybody is doing pretty bad but they are exceptionally bad

Fun Fact: Back of the napkin map shows that about 3% of their population is walking around with an active Covid case.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007
An alright dude.
Thinking about my titers

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Peter Daou Zen posted:

how is Tennessee doing so bad at this

how

everybody is doing pretty bad but they are exceptionally bad

Tennessee turned down Medicaid expansion and so has a huge population of the working poor with no payer of last resort to cover catastrophic costs like, say, Kentucky (who took expansion) does.

So you've got a huge population of people with really lovely jobs who aren't eligible for Medicaid but also can't afford to take time off to get better or go to the hospital. So, they're still going to work and spreading covid because they have no other options.

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

going to play devil's advocate here, is there anyone that can independently verify the death count due to COVID in China?

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


I missed this happening a couple days ago. You doing OK, Oz?

https://twitter.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1439101005476646912

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

actionjackson posted:

going to play devil's advocate here, is there anyone that can independently verify the death count due to COVID in China?

You know China actually went in to increase their confirmed COV19 death count after finding additional data and information...

Strep Vote
May 5, 2004

أنا أحب حليب الشوكولاتة

Piggy Smalls posted:

I’m the goon that got Covid about 16 days ago. all seemed well but now my heart rate sometimes at work is uncharacteristically low at 78 bpm (I typically have a high rate especially after my heart attack at about 85 to 95 while I’m working and walking and if I exert myself by walking fast or even doing lawn work like I did this weekend it shoots to 110 to 132. Maybe Covid hurt my heart even though I was vaccinated. I am very much fatigued still. my anxiety is kicking in and I feel short of breath but can’t tell if it’s just my anxiety or it’s real.

Go to a cardiologist right away

Serf
May 5, 2011


actionjackson posted:

going to play devil's advocate here, is there anyone that can independently verify the death count due to COVID in China?

we got a live one lol

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Skyl3lazer posted:

I'm not even sure if this is accurate, because it isn't the highly paid positions that aren't getting filled, it's the techs and nurses and such that probably cant afford to move at all, let alone pay rent in a wealthy area. I think it'll just kind of degrade everywhere. I'm sure the already hosed poor and rural areas will hit failure first, but it isn't going to be from brain drain.

I figured the nurses would just take travel contracts and go with the money. I know that's not possible for everyone but I have an ex who works as an ER nurse in San Francisco and she's considering taking a contract job in Boise because it'd be a huge paycheck.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

Skyl3lazer posted:

There is, it's essential a group of work-when-you-want type employees, and those people just don't show up most of the time now. They'll get put on a schedule then just not show up.

I'm not even sure if this is accurate, because it isn't the highly paid positions that aren't getting filled, it's the techs and nurses and such that probably cant afford to move at all, let alone pay rent in a wealthy area. I think it'll just kind of degrade everywhere. I'm sure the already hosed poor and rural areas will hit failure first, but it isn't going to be from brain drain.

that's why hospitals who can afford it are paying moving costs, rents and extensive bonuses to travel nurses though?

Dr_0ctag0n
Apr 25, 2015


The whole human race
sentenced
to
burn

Peter Daou Zen posted:

how is Tennessee doing so bad at this

how

everybody is doing pretty bad but they are exceptionally bad

TN has done absolutely nothing apart from denying that covid exists or downplaying it's dangerousness.

No closures, no meaningful tracking or testing, no mask mandates, no closed businesses. It's a loving joke.

Joementum
May 23, 2004

jesus christ
https://twitter.com/sarahlazare/status/1439972727721500672

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Skyl3lazer posted:

I think it's really important to realize that unless you work in healthcare or communicate daily on a personal level w/ someone who does, you are underestimating the strain on medical staff at the moment.

Even if you think you get it, you're off by an order of magnitude. Vacancies tell part of the story, and 'understaffed' metrics kind of tell part, but the whole truth is way worse. Even in 'better' places, enough people are quitting weekly that you'll see like, 5 vacancies for a role, then more will quit but the hospital will shove some of those positions on to already-overburdened staff and not increase the vacancies, and after a month they'll have hired 3 new people who all quit within 3-4 days. Nobody new is coming in to the system and they're losing 1-3% of their workforce a week at a minimum.

I've heard stories even of people getting called in for a shift because *every single person it called out or quit,* then they get asked to work a double. Hell, a large hospital around here just started authorizing overtime, which means for a huge portion of this pandemic people weren't even getting paid for the extra shifts they were doing. The longer this goes, the more gruesome it's going to become, because even if the number hospitalized goes down, the capacity hospitals have to treat patients is going down faster.

I'm not looking forward to this winter.

in January Mrs Pony applied to a NICU position at a local hospital and was at the "we're building an offer package" stage when they bait-and-switched the position from entirely neonatal to at least 80% floating with rounds handling general ICU patients (aka Covid poo poo) because someone else quit and HCA wouldn't authorize an additional FTE position.

she found a much better job and the position is still open lol

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



I'm curious about the study that said China's excess deaths are much higher than their official numbers (along with every other large country), but I'm not ready to accept its conclusions until I know more about the methodology and data.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Zeroisanumber posted:

I figured the nurses would just take travel contracts and go with the money. I know that's not possible for everyone but I have an ex who works as an ER nurse in San Francisco and she's considering taking a contract job in Boise because it'd be a huge paycheck.

Those screenshots are crazy like seeing 4 - 6k gross a week in addition to travel expenses.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

Real Mean Queen posted:

The Barbershop Harmony Society in there is hilarious. I’ve seen you now, dude, no amount of healthy living permaculture elite operator bullshit can hide what has been shown, you want to be in a barbershop quartet or live in a world where those are common. You want men in candy striped shirts and straw hats to sing you beautiful songs without musical accompaniment, and you more than likely have a secret fantasy where one of the barbers is out sick and you get pressured into filling in for him and then they figure out that you were the man for the job all along.

All of this patriot poo poo is there in the hopes that white supremacy can be reestablished to a point where it’s the past again, all so that this loser can can one day watch some men sing a song, and perhaps join them.

everyone wants to hum with the homies but he has been misled. very sad.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

brugroffil posted:

Is there anyway to wash out the inside of a kf94 mask from food? My 4yo is a little rough on them

alcohol cleaners are apparently bad as they destroy the charged plastic filter medium, but you know this is a wild idea but i wonder if putting one in the dishwasher top rack and running it without detergent (or maybe even with it?) would work to clean it without destroying. it would be fascinating for Aaron mask guy to test how they filter after a run through the dishwasher.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

Strep Vote posted:

Go to a cardiologist right away

im sure they'll be fine

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

Skyl3lazer posted:

I think it's really important to realize that unless you work in healthcare or communicate daily on a personal level w/ someone who does, you are underestimating the strain on medical staff at the moment.

Even if you think you get it, you're off by an order of magnitude. Vacancies tell part of the story, and 'understaffed' metrics kind of tell part, but the whole truth is way worse. Even in 'better' places, enough people are quitting weekly that you'll see like, 5 vacancies for a role, then more will quit but the hospital will shove some of those positions on to already-overburdened staff and not increase the vacancies, and after a month they'll have hired 3 new people who all quit within 3-4 days. Nobody new is coming in to the system and they're losing 1-3% of their workforce a week at a minimum.

I've heard stories even of people getting called in for a shift because *every single person it called out or quit,* then they get asked to work a double. Hell, a large hospital around here just started authorizing overtime, which means for a huge portion of this pandemic people weren't even getting paid for the extra shifts they were doing. The longer this goes, the more gruesome it's going to become, because even if the number hospitalized goes down, the capacity hospitals have to treat patients is going down faster.

I'm not looking forward to this winter.

I've been assuming the whole thing's snowballing (because the more people quit, and the more strain there is on the remaining people, the more likely they'll be to quit, too), and eventually it'll get to the point where everything just falls apart at once, because the one person left working at each hospital can't take care of every patient in the place alone.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

Hadlock posted:

Why is CDC so freaked out over flu season this year

it's just the flu

Soap Scum
Aug 8, 2003



Chamale posted:

I'm curious about the study that said China's excess deaths are much higher than their official numbers (along with every other large country), but I'm not ready to accept its conclusions until I know more about the methodology and data.

here is my 100% accurate prediction at the methodology:

"it is true for every country in the world except for china and we're really mad about that"

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

etalian posted:

Those screenshots are crazy like seeing 4 - 6k gross a week in addition to travel expenses.

I told her she should take it because her job is going to be hell everywhere and if she's planning to walk through hell she might as well get paid for it.

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord

Real Mean Queen posted:

The Barbershop Harmony Society in there is hilarious. I’ve seen you now, dude, no amount of healthy living permaculture elite operator bullshit can hide what has been shown, you want to be in a barbershop quartet or live in a world where those are common. You want men in candy striped shirts and straw hats to sing you beautiful songs without musical accompaniment, and you more than likely have a secret fantasy where one of the barbers is out sick and you get pressured into filling in for him and then they figure out that you were the man for the job all along.

All of this patriot poo poo is there in the hopes that white supremacy can be reestablished to a point where it’s the past again, all so that this loser can can one day watch some men sing a song, and perhaps join them.

My sister sings in a competitive choir, and their organization is in the middle of a full-on schism over banning racist barbershop songs from competitions.

papa horny michael
Aug 18, 2009

by Pragmatica

Soap Scum posted:

here is my 100% accurate prediction at the methodology:

"it is true for every country in the world except for china and we're really mad about that"

wasn't it true of Australia too? thankfully we've put a stop to their extreme protective measures and number will go up

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


It cannot be emphasized enough how good the medicaid expansion was for the working poor; without the ACA Medicaid expansion, you only qualify for Medicaid pretty much when you're unemployed.

There is an ungodly pool of lovely jobs out there that don't offer insurance or offer programs that aren't realistic for someone making not a lot of money. Without the Medicaid expansion to the working poor. those people have no option during a pandemic except continuing to work while sick.

Casey Finnigan
Apr 30, 2009

Dumb ✔
So goddamn crazy ✔
china must stop their ridiculous "zero covid" crackdown on human rights. they want to use a robust covid response as an excuse to clamp down on peoples' freedoms.

Also, china has no control over covid, which is running rampant over there, and they are massaging their case and death numbers to make themselves look good.

I can hold both these thoughts in my head at the same time, easily in fact

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

cr0y posted:

So what the gently caress is the current deal with boosters for over 65 year olds? Are those available now? My mom already scammed into #3 but my dad was "waiting for approval"

nope, only if dad has an approved immunocompromised condition right now. the friday vote was only an advisory panel and the FDA and CDC have to formally decide boosters can roll out to older people or others, which they haven't done yet. the CDC is planning a meeting wednesday I think.

it's real loving dumb and they are dragging their asses. go get that booster

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po77bJk1DdI

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice
https://twitter.com/clickhole/status/1439986056590467075?s=21

blandular
Aug 22, 2004

Woohoo let's see how one week out from a booster handles a covid+ partner in the household! He is being locked him in the bedroom to play video games, away from cat.

He played golf with a coworker all day on Saturday. It was someone who sounds like a reasonable man with a pretty ball-busting wife so I just assumed he was vaccinated. lol no antivax just like 80% of his other coworkers. It was inevitable. What the hell is up with machinists being antivax? Even his manager with an immunocompromised and actively sick wife.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

SKULL.GIF posted:

I missed this happening a couple days ago. You doing OK, Oz?

A funny note on that: the cops got wind of the planned protest so they shut down all public transport to the city centre on the day and flooded the streets with 2,000 cops (apparently one of the largest police operations ever seen in the country) so the protesters just assembled in a nearby suburb where there weren't very many cops on the ground and rampaged up and down the streets there. 6 cops ended up getting hospitalized and the ones who were trying to deal with the protesters are pissed that the riot squad was just hanging out a kilometre away twiddling their thumbs while a mob of bogan anti-vaxxers stampeded over the top of them. :v:

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Zeroisanumber posted:

I told her she should take it because her job is going to be hell everywhere and if she's planning to walk through hell she might as well get paid for it.

yeah, but hell and Boise?

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crazy eyes mustafa
Nov 30, 2014

Real Mean Queen posted:

The Barbershop Harmony Society in there is hilarious. I’ve seen you now, dude, no amount of healthy living permaculture elite operator bullshit can hide what has been shown, you want to be in a barbershop quartet or live in a world where those are common. You want men in candy striped shirts and straw hats to sing you beautiful songs without musical accompaniment, and you more than likely have a secret fantasy where one of the barbers is out sick and you get pressured into filling in for him and then they figure out that you were the man for the job all along.

All of this patriot poo poo is there in the hopes that white supremacy can be reestablished to a point where it’s the past again, all so that this loser can can one day watch some men sing a song, and perhaps join them.

This reminds me of that really good doobie post that ends with "you cannot save face or be even remotely not gay"

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