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Some Guy TT posted:breaking news on the gorbachev freedom indicator it's a brand that employees deliver drivers in the US. they have a high tolerance for death and danger.
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anyway even if my opinion is wrong and you can recommend some reading that elucidates why... I never meant my opinion as a criticism per se. It seems to be a great course of action for rapid development without stagnation or wonky resource allocation. But it still is nothing like the soviet system or any ideal socialist economy, and I think the chinese deep state is not going to benefit in destroying it and so it is a de facto bourgeois state, even if individual billionaires aren't at the reigns - their class interests seem to be protected even if they are scared for their individual wealth and safety and idk when that would change
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Sep 20, 2021 23:06
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Antonymous posted:I specifically said that china's billionaires are not what makes china a bourgeois state. I think it the same token you cannot argue that Xi bringing back SOEs, or SOE's existence, as a point toward china not being capitalist. Typically about 37% of GDP in the USA is government spending, in 2020, 47% of the USA's GDP was government spending. Half our economy was government rather than market or capitalist enterprise - it doesn't mean poo poo about social organization.  what people are trying to explain to you is that China is (to over-simplify) a capitalist economy administered by communists and that USA/the entire West is a capitalist economy administered by servants of the bourgeoisie, why is this so difficult to grasp
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Sep 20, 2021 23:08
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:
idk to me that sounds like 90% in agreement with my opinion in my first post that pissed everyone off
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Sep 20, 2021 23:12
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hot witch divorcee posted:yeah but im still going to mouth off about it because it sure took me a long time to find out the truth (that china and the cpc are super loving based) because any time any western leftist brought up china it was like "well they're just state capitalism/capitalism with red flags" and well yeah working in tech and knowing things like how lovely foxconn is (but not really knowing much about the difference between a taiwan or hong kong company and a mainland one) and how lovely 996 schedules are it was really easy to uncritically swallow. always been a big dprk fan though so i at least recognized that china loving around with market influence allowed the dprk to avoid it. but then i met pro-china marxist-leninists and was completely gobsmacked by how much has been kept from me. did u ever live in China or just read about it with some westerners
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Sep 20, 2021 23:14
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it's because you throw around terms like "bourgeois dictatorship" without seeming to understand what that means the existence of bourgeois elements in a society do not mean that society is ruled by the bourgeoisie, now any more than it did 600 years ago in Europe
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Sep 20, 2021 23:15
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I think the chinese state will preserve private property in the form it has in China for the foreseeable future because it benefits the communist party to do so, a defacto albeit demented bourgeois state like I said a page or two ago the consciously held ideology of those preserving private property doesn't make it suddenly a worker's state, that's basic marxism. Marx often pointed out capitalism developed quickly and overall was better than what came before, it was just a raw deal for workers and ultimately was unsustainable... just like china currently?
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Sep 20, 2021 23:17
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hot witch divorcee posted:eh, there are two major things that i personally think tie into this and also why china is still chugging today while the ussr collapsed. first, i wouldn't say the ussr didn't have problems with this. my reading group just got to the chapter in blackshirts and reds that went over this in detail; there often wasn't really an incentive to work hard as you could just get another job elsewhere and there were no rewards contingent on performance, and the central planners had all kinds of perverse incentives to only do the bare minimum output with the lowest quality possible, with a similar version happening in farming because the quality of what you produced didn't matter, only the quantity. before the ussr was flailing around with this, deng and the cpc had already figured out that if they let farmers keep any surplus over what they were required to produce to sell or do what they will, they had much more productive farms with much higher quality output. I fully acknowledge they had serious problems and needed solutions (that unfortunately nobody in power seemed to care about finding), but the fact is even with these problems they were still competitive economically (and did a phenomenal job providing for their people) with the US until the wheels really started to fall off in the mid-late 80s. e: to clarify, I think China's doing a very good job (even though I wish they were doing better because I'm anxious and will always worry about less well-off people) but I'm not fully convinced it was the only way for them to pull off the amazing success that they've had
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Sep 20, 2021 23:17
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hot witch divorcee posted:yeah but im still going to mouth off about it because it sure took me a long time to find out the truth (that china and the cpc are super loving based) because any time any western leftist brought up china it was like "well they're just state capitalism/capitalism with red flags" and well yeah working in tech and knowing things like how lovely foxconn is (but not really knowing much about the difference between a taiwan or hong kong company and a mainland one) and how lovely 996 schedules are it was really easy to uncritically swallow. always been a big dprk fan though so i at least recognized that china loving around with market influence allowed the dprk to avoid it. but then i met pro-china marxist-leninists and was completely gobsmacked by how much has been kept from me. Yeah there's little excuse for academics at least given as anyone can freely travel to china and see things for themselves. I think a lot of leftists simply didn't take the CPC at their word. We've been lied to and hoodwinked so many times that we thought the CPC was just going to push the communism button. Then they did it. People are starting to catch on now at least, although Langley's goons still have total control of the press and most of academia.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:20
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China is likely going to pass the US in total billionaires this upcoming march, so that'll be a real red letter day for the party
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Sep 20, 2021 23:21
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Antonymous posted:I think the chinese state will preserve private property in the form it has in China for the foreseeable future because it benefits the communist party to do so, a defacto albeit demented bourgeois state like I said a page or two ago I think their point is that, in the long run, it benefits the workers and farmers of China to preserve private property for the forseeable future, and in fact if they didn't preserve private property the future class interests of the proletariat would be put in jeopardy e: like don't get me wrong I think 996 is garbage and it's ridiculous that they don't have socialized healthcare and it's upsetting to read about how difficult it can be for poorer rural families to relocate (even just to another province let alone a city [and all the problems that brings with trying to place children in schools etc]) but it's a marathon not a sprint indigi has issued a correction as of 23:26 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 23:23
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Antonymous posted:idk to me that sounds like 90% in agreement with my opinion in my first post that pissed everyone off didn't piss me off at all friendo, sorry if I have conveyed that impression to you 
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Sep 20, 2021 23:25
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Antonymous posted:I don't imagine China reaching a point where they're going to smash this nice growth (aka surplus value extracting, in this case) engine they've built when it's top of the line. as the us hegemony wanes in power, the productive forces are going to be put toward expanding belt and road as a worldwide (re)development fund to build up socialist states that are now able to exist without being under siege, as well as repair the damage from climate change. with their track record, i see no reason to believe they aren't doing what they say they are (and aren't) doing, such as working toward world prosperity and having no desire to seek a new hegemon. past that, well, we'll be lucky if we live to see what things start to look like as the majority of the world is run by a communist party; the issues and circumstances are too foreign to us to speculate. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I do think that what you've outlined will be the official party line to the extent there is one, and the one that history records. (Well, what it records until enough humans are thoroughly Marxist enough to know that such an individualistic account of things could never tell the full truth.) i'll be the first to admit i love to consume a lot of cpc propaganda, but the vast majority of it checks out with what i am able to actually correlate. also this is why i try to mention that i am discussing a party organized around xi, and the cpc using his thoughts and plans as a template, and not saying xi did this or that. the people that drastically reduced corruption are the cpc members and even general citizenry in some areas that did all the work; the investigations, the oversight, the cooperation and culture that actually believes in the peoples' interest over individual gain. poverty alleviation was the hard work, and in some cases even blood, of literal millions of CPC members who pledged under a legally binding oath to go to some of the poorest and most difficult places in all of china and not come back until the entire region under their purview was poverty free. people lost their lives in dangerous conditions in these areas; people missed being around for the formative years of their children to ensure none of their compatriots' children went hungry or uneducated. it is ultimately the chinese people and the cpc that have made china what it is, not some magical great men. as much as mao, deng, and xi in particular have been a larger-than-life influence on modern china, none of them could have gotten anywhere if the people did not will it and work to make it happen. the cultural revolution didn't destroy china or depose cpc rule because the chinese people, as they had done for millenia before, will rise up and overthrow any governing body that does not have their interests in mind. it is important to never forget this when looking at socialist history, especially when looking at china, because once again marx was right: great man theory is bullshit.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:30
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indigi posted:I think their point is that, in the long run, it benefits the workers and farmers of China to preserve private property for the forseeable future, and in fact if they didn't preserve private property the future class interests of the proletariat would be put in jeopardy healthcare is subsidized and for basic stuff insanely cheap in china fyi. it's just not universal but it's way fuckin better than the USA. And the government often says its a priority to improve coverage and availability but they haven't met their goals on that yet. You also have to pay up front which is a lot different from America and sadly exclusionary to the extremely poor Taiwan's is universal and also is extremely good
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Sep 20, 2021 23:30
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I find it hard - not impossible, but hard - to believe that Western intelligence services just overlooked that the Chinese were "serious" about the justifications of Dengism. I do find it impossible to believe that all members of the CPC would be uniformly in on the scam: some members might have really believed it, others certainly would have assumed (and did assume) that it was hypocrisy, and then still others would have taken advantage of the circumstances to enrich themselves. china's been kicking the cia's rear end since its inception, the difference is as the genetic mutations from generations of hedonic inbreeding have piled up in the western ivies, the CPC has scaled scientific socialism to the billions. soon not even the last great American industry – the construction of imperial bases hosting weapons of death on indigenous land – will be enough to hold back the tide of history Centrist Committee has issued a correction as of 23:32 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 23:30
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Antonymous posted:chinese deep state pure western chauvinism
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Sep 20, 2021 23:32
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I worked in a Chinese owned factory, in a position that took me throughout the whole factory complex and let me see most of the day to day operation in it, at least in passing. It sucked for a long list of reasons, though it was a lot better paid and didn't have any flagrant safety and labor law violations like the shoe factory in which I made combat boots intended for yank cops and French troops in Africa. I still feel a tinge of hatred in my gut for the middle management there. The above also has nothing whatsoever to do with China being communist or not, regardless of whether it's happening over here or over there. What matters are things much, much, much vaster in scale.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:36
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Antonymous posted:healthcare is subsidized and for basic stuff insanely cheap in china fyi. I know, and it's wildly beyond what we can hope for in the US in the next decade or so, but Antonymous posted:You also have to pay up front which is a lot different from America and sadly exclusionary to the extremely poor upsets me 
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Sep 20, 2021 23:38
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Centrist Committee posted:china's been kicking the cia's rear end since its inception, the difference is as the genetic mutations from generations of hedonic inbreeding have piled up in the western ivies, the CPC has scaled scientific socialism to the billions. soon not even the last great American industry – the construction of imperial bases hosting weapons of death on indigenous land – will be enough to hold back the tide of history what I find easier to believe is that some elements within the CPC really were counter-revolutionary scum, that the CIA thought the counter-revolutionary scum would win out, and that now we find out that they were wrong to think that. which is great ofc but I can be happy for China's success without indulging in an over-determined account of events hot witch divorcee posted:it is ultimately the chinese people and the cpc that have made china what it is, not some magical great men. as much as mao, deng, and xi in particular have been a larger-than-life influence on modern china, none of them could have gotten anywhere if the people did not will it and work to make it happen. the cultural revolution didn't destroy china or depose cpc rule because the chinese people, as they had done for millenia before, will rise up and overthrow any governing body that does not have their interests in mind. it is important to never forget this when looking at socialist history, especially when looking at china, because once again marx was right: great man theory is bullshit.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:41
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my dad posted:I worked in a Chinese owned factory, in a position that took me throughout the whole factory complex and let me see most of the day to day operation in it, at least in passing. It sucked for a long list of reasons, though it was a lot better paid and didn't have any flagrant safety and labor law violations like the shoe factory in which I made combat boots intended for yank cops and French troops in Africa. I still feel a tinge of hatred in my gut for the middle management there. Mundane anecdotes are a nice break from the usual flow of current events and hypothesis/theory in my opinion 
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Sep 20, 2021 23:44
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At the end of the day it doesn't matter how many words you expend towards saying it, "China is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie with only aesthetic gestures towards socialism" will only ever read to me like "the CPC is lying about aspiring towards socialism for political continuity and the 90+% of working Chinese who approve of them are too stupid or brainwashed to to tell the difference". People never say what they mean, I wonder why.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:44
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FrancisFukyomama posted:it sounds like the communists overperformed in the elections in Russia today, and secured about 1/3 of the seats username/post combo
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Sep 20, 2021 23:44
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I find it hard - not impossible, but hard - to believe that Western intelligence services just overlooked that the Chinese were "serious" about the justifications of Dengism.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:46
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Truga posted:username/post combo didn't the real francis come around on Marx or something edit Francis Fukuyama posted:
eh not really but still cool that a guy who sucks this bad still gotta say Marx turned out to be right
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Sep 20, 2021 23:48
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i don't take issue with the rest of your post, which was interesting, but i don't find this hard to believe Yeah the CIA is probably extremely stupid which is befitting an organization founded by Nazi sympathizers, schizophrenics and a few actual Nazis.
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Sep 20, 2021 23:52
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Deified Data posted:At the end of the day it doesn't matter how many words you expend towards saying it, "China is a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie with only aesthetic gestures towards socialism" will only ever read to me like "the CCP is lying about aspiring towards socialism for political continuity and the 90+% of working Chinese who approve of them are too stupid or brainwashed to to tell the difference". People never say what they mean, I wonder why. Hot af statue of liberty with big rear end copper titties, holding a binder with "The Truth about Xinjiang" written on it: Babe, it's 4pm, time for your current events brief! Spaghetti armed dweeb in a Winnie the Pooh shirt looking up from pretending to read Kapital: Yes dear!
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Sep 20, 2021 23:53
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I got my undergrad poli sci degree in the USA and I couldn't believe that they taught me that basically I had to choose between Fukuyama or Huntington, Rawls or Nozick. Liberalism, Realism and Idealism. What is this propaganda bullshit menu of options? I read marx on my own at the same time and these guys looked like teenage book reports, just fuckin embarassing. The Anglo world is absolutely cursed on politics and philosophy my teachers teased me that all my papers were marxist perspective but they never read Marx themselves (teaching political science lol)
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Sep 20, 2021 23:54
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How is the Russian Communist Party anyway? Are they what they say on the tin or a vehicle for nationalist weirdos?
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Sep 20, 2021 23:54
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Deified Data posted:How is the Russian Communist Party anyway? Are they what they say on the tin or a vehicle for nationalist weirdos? Bit of both. The CPRF is uniquely cursed in that they have won several elections but have not taken power. The brief time they sort of did Boris Yeltsin just shelled the capitol.
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Sep 21, 2021 00:00
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i don't take issue with the rest of your post, which was interesting, but i don't find this hard to believe if the CPC were truly pursuing the Dengist "strategy" in order to marshal productive forces with a view to going full communist at the later date - like if they were saying it and were in 100% alignment on that internally - I think our intelligence services would know it and that our posture toward China since the Clinton admin would have been different maybe not hugely different and I don't want to ascribe great-man characteristics to our behavior either - there would still be paper to be made in cooperating with China even if we on some level "knew" they were 100% going to smash the communism button at some point in the future like I mostly don't know what the gently caress I'm talking about but I raise an eyebrow if someone describes a large mass of people moving in lockstep toward a common goal over the course of decades and not only that, but did it mostly in secret (even if it was an open secret) it seems more likely that the Dengists just failed to completely purge communists from the party, and that once the communists wrested back control they also inherited enhanced capital accumulation that had built up in the meantime. this is called "getting lucky" and it also happens to the good guys sometimes, as hard as that is to believe posting this as I am from a comfortable chair sitting atop a pile of skulls in the imperial core of the world.
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Sep 21, 2021 00:00
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:the CPC documented their actually-we're-still-communist plans and published it for all to see, and the only reason the CIA didn't pick up on it is that they were too lazy to translate it to english
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Sep 21, 2021 00:02
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Antonymous posted:I got my undergrad poli sci degree in the USA and I couldn't believe that they taught me that basically I had to choose between Fukuyama or Huntington, Rawls or Nozick. Liberalism, Realism and Idealism. What is this propaganda bullshit menu of options? I can't speak from academia but telling people you're a marxist still gets you glares. At least it's the few words that liberals are too afraid to coopt.
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Sep 21, 2021 00:02
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hot witch divorcee posted:i'll be the first to admit i love to consume a lot of cpc propaganda, but the vast majority of it checks out with what i am able to actually correlate. oh, the government is run by a bunch of communists. surprise. and that's shocking to many westerners because marxism is supposed to be finished. this is important: AnimeIsTrash posted:I can't speak from academia but telling people you're a marxist still gets you glares. At least it's the few words that liberals are too afraid to coopt.  and so there's some kind of ideological or psychological block here. "end of history" and all of that, and that's a real problem for themselves because they can't adjust.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHk6ttVn8rY&t=103s MSDOS KAPITAL posted:eh, maybe - I try not to underestimate my enemies BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 00:16 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 00:06
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AnimeIsTrash posted:I can't speak from academia but telling people you're a marxist still gets you glares. At least it's the few words that liberals are too afraid to coopt. academia should still have some old marxists farting about. I did have an econ prof who at least read it who I could talk to and one poli sci adjunct that was a commie. commies don't get tenure I guess. I tell anyone who asks that I'm a commie and a marxist but people aren't prepared to engage with it like it's an extremist view even tho nothing Marx wrote about would sound extreme in 2021, just takes the problems of modernity as more immediate and actionable than "shrug your shoulders and say what else can we do" like liberalism I do like that twitter et al have normalized what were extremist left wing views to a large degree it is insanely good that the cold war them vs us grasp on our psyche is dying bigly
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Sep 21, 2021 00:10
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Several years ago, I had some interesting conversations with a marxist journalist who did some really solid writing on economic consequences of the fall of socialism here, labor organization, etc, who was writing for a paper mostly funded by some "socialist" organizations in EU. He brought up that the editing was really insidious, and deceptively permissive, and that you could publish very left wing lines as long as there are certain things you do not say, ever. He was optimistic about a few of his articles that managed to get important stuff past the totally not censorship, and was hoping that he could keep pushing the limits of what he can get away with, in addition to shedding light on specifics of EU's fuckery here. (between him, my experiences involving German banks and evictions, keeping track of EU "donations" that end up magically making us in debt to them, and the work a leftcom dude I knew who did some serious investigation into Germany's attempts to take over our postal services and accurately predicted things that ended up happening, I have... certain strong opinions about the EU) Anyway, he died of natural causes at the ripe old age of 40, so I guess we'll never learn how that went for him.
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Sep 21, 2021 00:18
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One thing related to the topics in this page I just want to point out. One giant argument in favor of capitalism which Soviet never answered and IMO Deng era CCP didn't figured out is the greed motivate hard work argument. Basically the Capitalists say you need free market to give people inventive to work hard. And the Americans deeply believe that only private business with minimal government interference, work on endless greed can "encourage innovation". Ask every American elite from left to right they have this belief embed in his bones. What the CCP figured out around the Hu era is that, no, you don't need private owned business compete in each market segment to create the "most efficient economy", you just need to have 3 to 4 SOE compete in the same market to spawn healthy competition. That has been the case in mobile carrier, and the ISP markets and a couple more strategic markets. In retail CCP kind of let the small business took over the whole segment. As far as the career advancement within the SOE, its still mostly performance based, meritocracy model which is way more similar to the advancement in a company than the election based model in the rest of the world. I argue this is a better model for centralized government structure. Look at India, the 2 party central high commands already assign whoever they want as the CM (governor), they might as well ditch local elections and switch to the meritocracy model.
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Sep 21, 2021 00:24
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Deified Data posted:How is the Russian Communist Party anyway? Are they what they say on the tin or a vehicle for nationalist weirdos? it varies, the leadership is basically controlled opposition, but there are certainly good elements among the cadres and party base, and some of the more minor elected officials are also good. but the political scene is so highly controlled that anyone genuinely threatening to the prevailing order is not really going to be successful in elections or anything.
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Sep 21, 2021 00:33
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my dad posted:Anyway, he died of natural causes at the ripe old age of 40, so I guess we'll never learn how that went for him. sad lol stephenthinkpad posted:Basically the Capitalists say you need free market to give people inventive to work hard. And the Americans deeply believe that only private business with minimal government interference, work on endless greed can "encourage innovation". Ask every American elite from left to right they have this belief embed in his bones. it's always funny when you point out darpa spawned the internet but private companies are the cause of average 10kb html being filled with hundreds of megs of ads, also nasa went to the moon while elon litters the sky with useless cubes and their brain just shuts off
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Sep 21, 2021 00:34
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The French are still super mad. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/20/world/europe/macron-us-submarine-australia.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes quote:In responding to the secretive U.S.-British move to sell nuclear-powered submarines to Australia, a decision that the Australians used to nix the prior French deal, Mr. Macron could choose to escalate. One idea doing the rounds in France is for the country to withdraw from NATO’s integrated military command structure, which it rejoined in 2009 after a 43-year absence. Political rivals jumping in too. https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1439666952797147141?s=20 Sous-marins australiens: La sortie de l'Otan réclamée par les oppositions (Australian submarines: the exit from NATO demanded by the oppositions) quote:Plus tôt dans la journée, sur Europe 1, le président par intérim du RN Jordan Bardella avait de son côté confirmé que son parti veut voir la France “quitter le commandement militaire intégré de l’Otan” pour “redonner à la France les moyens de sa liberté et de son indépendance”.
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:yeah I think we mostly agree but fwiw your take seems rather teleological: I think there was a point in the recent past when the future of China, and in particular communism in China, was in question, and I don't think that diminishes the achievements of the Chinese people to say that i think we agree on this as well. like i said, china in the 90s was a bit yikes sweaty, i see why, for instance, parenti had all but written it off. if the cpc had continued from there to be run by hardline dengists who treat deng's words as gospel, there would have been Problems. the OTHER reason the anti-corruption campaign was the first thing xi ordered the cpc around out the gate was that the creeping tendrils of the cia and liberalism were starting to be a Problem, and in xi's own words, the sovereignty of the country was at stake. and well, yeah. the more i learn about what happened beyond the (often somewhat romanticized) overview of what happened and peeked into the sausage factory, the more i see how not-forgone anything that happened is, and how messy the process can be to arrive at the conclusions, paths, and methods the cpc has. this makes it all the more impressive. the more i learn the more i am in awe of democratic centralism as a way to organize politics, dialectical and historical matierialism as a way to discuss them, and the chinese people and cpc for absolutely going the distance with these things and developing into a moderately prosperous society with these tools. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i don't take issue with the rest of your post, which was interesting, but i don't find this hard to believe yeah that seemed odd to me as well. the cia are mostly a bunch of dumbfucks with unlimited resources who just do opportunism on the chaos they cause. they don't have a stellar track record with anything that requires nuance or understanding of their (self-created) enemies. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:
one of the things that is unraveling the hegemony at an absolute absurd pace right now is that the state department is absolutely full of paste-eating koolaid chuggers who are high on their own supply. while what we were all just talking about regarding not underestimating your enemy applies, and the cia isn't out of atrocities to commit yet, they're getting shockingly incompetent (thanks trump!). they can't even consistently rig elections anymore, what with things like peru and now what people are saying today that loving russia is electing communists into the government in droves. and what is there to believe in? all of us oldgoons who might have been very young but nevertheless remember the USSR falling have lived through the decay and broken promises since. we were sold that the capitalist, liberal, democratic way of life is the way to prosperity, but the minute there was no longer a competition with communism, the middle class evaporated and we can't even get health care or food that isn't just filler powder and corn syrup. not really a coincidence that wages haven't really gone up since the 90s. MSDOS KAPITAL posted:it seems more likely that the Dengists just failed to completely purge communists from the party, and that once the communists wrested back control they also inherited enhanced capital accumulation that had built up in the meantime. this is called "getting lucky" and it also happens to the good guys sometimes, as hard as that is to believe posting this as I am from a comfortable chair sitting atop a pile of skulls in the imperial core of the world. no? there are cliques and purges but like. actually read the poo poo deng said. he was a communist through and through; communism isn't exclusively (or even very good) when it's hard left communism like the cultural revolution was. ultra-leftism is kind of a disaster, and lacks the ability to organize productive forces or adjust to material reality. its mcu-tier "communism" that leads to poo poo like demanding people follow "the two whatevers", string up dogs and boil babies, or establish killing fields. deng didn't luck out, him and the cpc working with him and living in the aftermath of the cultural revolution had a very clear plan for laying out productive forces and bringing stable, consistent growth consistent with marxist economics. it was no accident or windfall, it was a lot of loving hard work and discipline.
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