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Dance Officer posted:It sounds like you fit right in with the draft crowd, to be honest. I would definitely be down for that. I did one of those years ago and it was a lot of fun. I'll probably play super slowly and inevitably peter out halfway through Z2.2 but that's just how drafts go sometimes.
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WrightOfWay posted:I would definitely be down for that. I did one of those years ago and it was a lot of fun. I'll probably play super slowly and inevitably peter out halfway through Z2.2 but that's just how drafts go sometimes. I thought I recognized the name from somewhere else. edit: Draft is now up. Join us on our magical adventure. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3979815 Dance Officer fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Sep 19, 2021 |
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I had fun playing Super Robot Wars V as a complete newbie to the series because it had some Mechs and characters I remember from Toonami in it, and picked up X because of the same thing, but it looks like it's going to have the same over-arching Plot? Embryo showed up cackling about big plans and so far it seems like the only real difference is a slightly different cast of characters and different main character options? I mean, I haven't gotten completely bored yet because everyone just started making GBS threads their pants because Char Aznable showed up as a bad guy to fight, but it seems like really well-worn territory from the previous game. Can anybody recommend another one that's in English and has it's own storyline to mix up the motivations for the fights? EDIT: Went back to the OP and apparently I need to find one of the Original Generations games and start from there? Some Pinko Commie fucked around with this message at 16:52 on Sep 20, 2021 |
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Sep 20, 2021 16:45
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There’s usually a decent level of plot overlap and use of major or semi-major series between the games with existing franchises, yes. X is a far funner CA than V though imo because Embryo and Ange’s lovely family repeatedly get owned like the nimrods they are through the story. But yes, if you want a completely new story (beyond following some general themes from the stories it’s aping) then start with the recent fan patch of Original Generations on the PS2 and go from there.
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Sep 20, 2021 16:57
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As I understand it the original setting in X is Wataru, Cross Ange and Gurren Lagaan, so yeah you're gonna see a lot of Embryo (and him being the kind of villain he is also sort of forces him into some importance). T doesn't have a specific core series if that sounds more up your alley.
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X doesn't do that much crazy with Cross Ange (at least more than what V did), the big difference is the tone from playing off Wataru. And CCA is an SRW mainstay now, you come more for what twist they're putting on it (is Char faking it or not? Who's he working with? Who else is at the drop?) than seeing it go completely off the rails. Usually just a couple of series per game go totally AU and the entire plot is structured around them doing so.
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Cross Ange is okish in X because none of those characters can be huge assholes around Wataru so it makes them more tolerable.
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You also skip over most of the parts of Cross Ange where the protagonists are at their worst in X since you start out about a third through the plot and you don't use their base as a hub so you don't get some of the shittier backbiting stuff adapted. Also Tusk has substantially reduced screen time and you don't get the multiple 'whoops tripped and fell into you while you were naked' scenes that V faithfully reproduces
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Am I loving up in X by basically never fielding Wataru or anybody else from his initial appearance in X as long as other characters/mechs are available? I'm still early in the game and chose to stay on the Ground party instead of going to space, is why I'm asking.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Am I loving up in X by basically never fielding Wataru or anybody else from his initial appearance in X as long as other characters/mechs are available? No. Wataru is a good unit but you'll survive without him if you don't want to. SRW is *very* generous about leveling and if you have a low-level unit get the kill (especially with an experience booster) they will gain shittons of levels so if you ever need to level him later just let him kill a few things. The only units you suffer for not using at the Mazingers because they are tied to getting the bonus ending path.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Am I loving up in X by basically never fielding Wataru or anybody else from his initial appearance in X as long as other characters/mechs are available? The beauty of SRW games is that you can just pick a tiny handful of units to play favorites with and dump all your resources into, and the game won't punish you for it at all (unless you go out of your way to pick path splits those units aren't on). In fact, you're actively rewarded for playing favorites instead of trying to spread resources around across your whole team. Bench to your heart's content when you're not interested in using someone. If a stage puts unused units in as forced launches, the game is designed to catch their levels up to "average" real quick with a few kills.
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Sep 21, 2021 02:24
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In the absolute worst case scenario where a unit is force deployed alone while so underleveled that they can't handle the enemies at all, an event will usually fire where you get the rest of your team on the field either when said unit hits low enough HP or when a couple of turns pass, so you can just die/run away and won't end up in an unwinnable situation. Use the characters you like. That said, you are a monster if you dislike Wataru.
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Wataru is a nice kid but his robot is more deformed than an SD gundam
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Sep 21, 2021 02:37
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Siegkrow posted:Wataru is a nice kid but his robot is more deformed than an SD gundam Most of the mecha isekai shows from the 80's and 90's had designs like that, such as Granzort, Lamunes and Ryu Knight
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Am I loving up in X by basically never fielding Wataru or anybody else from his initial appearance in X as long as other characters/mechs are available? I never bothered fielding Wataru in X and did fine op.
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Sep 21, 2021 02:47
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WTF Wataru is a good boy
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Wataru is a good boy but should be kept far away from bad influences like Cross Ange and Lelouch.
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Wataru kind of sucks for most of the early game until you put some money into him and/or he gets some upgrades, so you can definitely get by perfectly fine without him if he's not your jam.
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Sep 21, 2021 03:21
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But then you miss out on his theme song and animations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbJnb4C4PNE
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I love Step and it's a great song but I actually hate the SRW X rendition of it. The lovely synth flute does nothing for me at all. Thankfully we live in the era of custom BGMs so I was able to slap in the original. It's also a hugely popular song so there's tons of covers and arrangements available too. Kanos fucked around with this message at 03:58 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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WrightOfWay posted:In the absolute worst case scenario where a unit is force deployed alone while so underleveled that they can't handle the enemies at all, an event will usually fire where you get the rest of your team on the field either when said unit hits low enough HP or when a couple of turns pass, so you can just die/run away and won't end up in an unwinnable situation. Use the characters you like. Art thou not sorry for these heinous deeds? Ay, that I had not done a thousand more. Even now I curse the day--and yet, I think, Few come within the compass of my curse,-- Wherein I did not some notorious ill, As kill a man, or else devise his death, Ravish a maid, or plot the way to do it, Accuse some innocent and forswear myself, Set deadly enmity between two friends, Make poor men's cattle break their necks; Set fire on barns and hay-stacks in the night, And bid the owners quench them with their tears. Oft have I digg'd up dead men from their graves, And set them upright at their dear friends' doors, Even when their sorrows almost were forgot; And on their skins, as on the bark of trees, Have with my knife carved in Roman letters, 'Let not your sorrow die, though I am dead.' Tut, I have done a thousand dreadful things As willingly as one would kill a fly, And nothing grieves me heartily indeed But that I cannot do ten thousand more.
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chiasaur11 posted:Art thou not sorry for these heinous deeds? same
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Policenaut posted:WTF Wataru is a good boy He's a good boy but his unit isn't anything special.
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Ange is also portrayed much better in X. In V pretty much no one could get a handle of her (lol athrun), in X she spends enough time away from Arzenal with Vivian (who's probably the only one she could get alone with initially) to slightly calm down and then Lelouch enters and turns out they both play of each other very well. V Edit: Instead of better i'm going to say milder, sorry. Eeepies fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Did people really not like Ange in V? Her arguing with the SEED boys about whether their world can be called peaceful was one of my favorite dialogue scenes from that game
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This is the only thing I know about Cross Ange. If this is wrong, don't tell me. Prism fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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All I can remember from V is that the first couple stages with the Cross Ange cast are awful because their units are awful before getting sufficient upgrades and they force you to use them before you can do that(made even worse by the fact that they are stereotypical Real Robot units in most regards while the Dragon enemies are built like Super Robot enemies) and that one scene where Shinn calls the Cross Ange cast a bunch of terrible women
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drrockso20 posted:All I can remember from V is that the first couple stages with the Cross Ange cast are awful because their units are awful before getting sufficient upgrades and they force you to use them before you can do that(made even worse by the fact that they are stereotypical Real Robot units in most regards while the Dragon enemies are built like Super Robot enemies) and that one scene where Shinn calls the Cross Ange cast a bunch of terrible women How could you forget that one chick from 00 getting so pissed off at the Cross Ange crew sniping at each other that she buys their squadron just to force them to cooperate more.
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BisbyWorl posted:How could you forget that one chick from 00 getting so pissed off at the Cross Ange crew sniping at each other that she buys their squadron just to force them to cooperate more. I'm just imagining the chaos of having Cross Ange and Iron Blooded Orphans in the same game. An all girls group of horny teen mercenaries in the same ship as a horny all guys group of teen mercenaries is basically guaranteed bad decision central.
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Prism posted:This is the only thing I know about Cross Ange. no thats the actual dialogue in that scene. there's also a scene where embryo has two women dressed in sexy maid outfits feed him pancakes and then he, apropos of nothing, says 'im an ally of women' directly to the camera. cross ange kinda owns.
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I came away from V - especially after replaying and seeing all the Cross Ange routes - sold on Cross Ange being in any future SRW game on the strength of its cast. Ange is angry and confrontational at her core no matter how heroic she gets, and that brings a fresh flavour to a lot of scenes you don't get from many main characters in SRW - Ryouma's the one who comes to mind, but being part of the Getter Team makes him very different in feel. The supporting cast complements that well, and the way they fall into overlapping groups gives a lot of flexibility for fitting them into SRW cutscenes.
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BisbyWorl posted:How could you forget that one chick from 00 getting so pissed off at the Cross Ange crew sniping at each other that she buys their squadron just to force them to cooperate more. Don't think I got that far, my V run petered out around the point you jump over to the UC universe for the first time
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No joke the star of V is Ange, she's just so angry and confrontational, and it all builds up towards a goddamn amazing finale in which the second most horrible villain in V looks at Embyro and goes "holy poo poo is this how I've been acting?"
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Cross Ange is genuinely one of the best series in V. Who can forget Ange talking to Hilda about how everyone is fighting for gay rights? Thank you Cross Ange.
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ImpAtom posted:Wataru is a good boy but should be kept far away from bad influences like Cross Ange and Lelouch. They're not bad influences on him, because his innate goodness will cause any attempt to corrupt him to fail. Instead, he is a good influence on them.
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Eeepies posted:No joke the star of V is Ange, she's just so angry and confrontational, and it all builds up towards a goddamn amazing finale in which the second most horrible villain in V looks at Embyro and goes "holy poo poo is this how I've been acting?" Yeah, when I played V, Ange was the character I dumped most of the resources I got into after the main character because the Vilkiss just curb-stomped everything the main character mech couldn't move over to and kill each turn (also the story bits where it kept unlocking more ridiculous attacks and upgrades right alongside the main character were neat). I'm kind of doing the same thing in X, but the Xelguard is kinda boring so far compared to the mech from V (that I can't remember the name of because it's been years since I played V). Also Wataru is constantly piping up during battles and cutscenes even though I don't field him, so I don't think I'm missing anything there. I haven't run across any Getter Robo characters yet in X, but it's still early in the game I think (or I may be about to meet them since I chose the Ground mission path?). Is the Gratan tank thing ever useful or is it a joke unit?
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The Xelguard is actually one of my favorite originals because I always love it when they break out of the "safe" military-looking-real-robot mold that is kind of their go to and some of its additional attacks are amazing. It's also a really cool support unit in a way that isn't just "can repair/resupply" with its super powerful spells.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Am I loving up in X by basically never fielding Wataru or anybody else from his initial appearance in X as long as other characters/mechs are available? Yes, Wataru owns and is the Best Hero  Kanos posted:The Xelguard is actually one of my favorite originals because I always love it when they break out of the "safe" military-looking-real-robot mold that is kind of their go to and some of its additional attacks are amazing. I really like it, but iirc it was done by the Linebarrel person so me liking it is a given. I love those fuckin' machina man, please put Linebarrel in a mainline game bamco. Also Amari's themes kick rear end.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Yeah, when I played V, Ange was the character I dumped most of the resources I got into after the main character because the Vilkiss just curb-stomped everything the main character mech couldn't move over to and kill each turn (also the story bits where it kept unlocking more ridiculous attacks and upgrades right alongside the main character were neat). Getter isn't in X, which is a pretty rare occurrence in SRW. Gratan is a support unit that doesn't have much in the way of support spirits so it's not great. It's also a goofy looking tank with a fun crew so it does have that going for it.
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