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Applebees Appetizer posted:I dunno, Lexus has no problems giving my wife a nice new loaner whenever her car is in for any kind of service. Must be a GM problem Lexus and Toyota have fared better in the chip shortage than american manufacturers - our Chevy store is still really struggling for new inventory and transports at our Ford store are few and far between. We've started selling the few new units we get at 2k over MSRP because of demand far outstripping supply in our region. New Bronco Sports are going for closer to 5K over MSRP if you can even get your hands on one which is a bad joke in my opinion.
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Mr. Wiggles posted:I'd say the downfall started with the 4th gen Sedan de Ville in 1971. Throughout previous generations, Cadillacs had been restrained and elegant as well as ostentatious, but by the 70s elegance was out the window in favor absolute maximalism. At the same time, by the 1970s Mercedes and other European luxury marques were starting to gain a serious foothold in the US among the traditional Cadillac buyers market group. In 1969, if you were a powerful executive, a wealthy lawyer, a model, or just someone with money who cared about style, you were buying a Cadillac. After that, all the American cars were just a little gauche. And actually it's stayed that way ever since. i guess everything is doomed to be repeated since this is mercedes now 
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Data Graham posted:At least the steering wheel is still a wheel Thread title: The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Automotive Insanity > Terrible car stuff-At least the steering wheel is still a wheel....Sort of....For now
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Woolwich Bagnet posted:i guess everything is doomed to be repeated since this is mercedes now  
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Woolwich Bagnet posted:i guess everything is doomed to be repeated since this is mercedes now AHHHHHHHH How the gently caress are automakers so stupid. Just. HOW. AmbassadorofSodomy posted:Thread title: Sure, why not. Whose gonna follow Tesla's "lead" on that one too? Place your bets
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:AHHHHHHHH I'm sure BMW is is drawing one up with a giant kidney grille in it right now,
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:
Mercedes should one-up them and bring back their mid 90s concepts you drove with joysticks.
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Data Graham posted:At least the steering wheel is still a wheel It somehow looks really small, yet bloated at the same size. Speaking on Mercedes. My boss just bought a new GLE Coupe for his wife, 'upgrading' from the C350 she used to have. It was some weird grey/brown colour. Didn't know that's what they ended up with so when I saw it parked stupidly in one of our carparks near my cribhut "HOLY poo poo LOOK AT THAT RET***DED PIECE OF poo poo AND THE PARKING JOB". Yup, boss was behind me in hearing distance. Lucky I have the type of relationship I also call him bad names for choosing to keep the kitbuild Cobra and selling his XU-1 Torana.
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coupedeville posted:Of course my brainworms love the dark era of Cadillac and want to save as many of them as possible so I guess I'm just doomed. One of our customers at the dealership has an 81 Eldorado languishing in his shed and I gave him my card and told him to email me if he decides to sell it. Of course I think that may be even worse than my coupe because it has those funky longitudinal mounted V8 engines that drive the front wheels with their weird transaxle propshaft deal that they used on the Eldos back then. I'm not intimately familiar with them but it feels like the worst of both worlds for someone trying to make them viable as a daily 40 years after the factory spat them out. I wouldn't worry about the Eldo's transaxle setup -- it's basically the same stuff used in the GMC motorhomes of that era and they're usually as stout as they come. quote:I think the mid-90s Sedan Devilles are cool but if I ever got one I'd also have to get a late-model GXP to swap out the front wheel LS4 drivetrain because I don't trust anything with a northstar badge on it. Do the head stud kits actually make them a viable engine or are they just unsalvageable? AFAIK the head stud kits actually work. Weak-rear end factory head bolts are really the only problem the Northstar has. It just takes a lot of time and money to fix and most people choose not to. I wouldn't even bother with time-serts. I thought about a LS4 swap for my STS, but the 4T80E makes that tough based on the way the transmission's shaped. Of course, there's no way in hell you'd want to use the 4T65E-HD the LS4 came with. MrYenko posted:Multiplying your lovely car across several different brands doesn’t make it less of a lovely car. There’s nothing inherently wrong with badge engineering, it’s just that in the malaise era, they tended to badge-engineer terrible cars. Spreading out your tooling costs by reusing the same components across different vehicles is no biggie as long as 1)it doesn't screw with the cars' performance and 2)if it isn't blatantly obvious that you did it. Malaise-era GM failed on both counts. Woolwich Bagnet posted:i guess everything is doomed to be repeated since this is mercedes now I swear, this whole obsession with being just like Tesla makes me 
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Humphreys posted:Lucky I have the type of relationship I also call him bad names for choosing to keep the kitbuild Cobra and selling his XU-1 Torana. 
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One can only hope Mercedes pushes into "it's like a Tesla, but well constructed" and puts Elon out of the car business forever
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I lol'd pretty good at a car magazine article I saw the other day (maybe from Automobile) that was about the Tesla Model S Plaid, and whether it could stack up as a serious contender against the established electric entries in the market from powerhouses Porsche and Mercedes 
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Cage Kicker posted:One can only hope Mercedes pushes into "it's like a Tesla, but well constructed" and puts Elon out of the car business forever something something "superior" German engineering
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Cage Kicker posted:One can only hope Mercedes pushes into "it's like a Tesla, but well constructed" and puts Elon out of the car business forever If you're following other companies you already lost the opportunity to do that.
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Cage Kicker posted:One can only hope Mercedes pushes into "it's like a Tesla, but well constructed" and puts Elon out of the car business forever It's more likely Tesla puts a more traditional car maker out of business now, esp with the rest of the industry meekly playing follow the meme-car. Let alone the Euros have some spectacular construction / long term reliability issues of their own Also there's enough Teslas running around now that do serious kms that show they actually seem to hold together quite well. That's not something you can say about a few manufactures.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Also there's enough Teslas running around now that do serious kms that show they actually seem to hold together quite well. That's not something you can say about a few manufactures. It's also a sample by sample thing with Teslas because of how poorly they are manufactured/QC issues. I have no doubt some of them will be good cars. Good luck if you are trying to buy a single one and have to roll those dice.
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Motronic posted:It's also a sample by sample thing with Teslas because of how poorly they are manufactured/QC issues. I have no doubt some of them will be good cars. Good luck if you are trying to buy a single one and have to roll those dice. Tesla's manufacturing/QC isnt as bad as it gets meme'ed. They certainly got a last day of the quarter problem (or had) but I would certainly have no issues second handing a Tesla in general.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Tesla's manufacturing/QC isnt as bad as it gets meme'ed. They certainly got a last day of the quarter problem (or had) but I would certainly have no issues second handing a Tesla in general. How many new ones have you been around? The panel gap is AMAZINGLY variable. Which speaks to deeper issues, as it always has for all manufacturers. And sure....used ones already de-risk the worst initial manufacturing problems by the simple fact that they have presumably been driven for a few years and a few 10s of thousands of miles. Nothing like outsourcing QC to your customers. .....at least where that actually works because it's not a fundamental design fault. My favorite idiot tesla move was still the model x doors that dump water on the back seats when opened. Because who the hell cares about rain? (when you live in the bay area)
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Tell me your vehicle was designed with only Southern California in mind, without telling me your vehicle was only designed with Southern California in mind. https://i.imgur.com/Rq3ZbS4.mp4
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Memento posted:Tell me your vehicle was designed with Seriously, the Ford Model A coupe has trunk drip channels. The pop out door handles were also never tested in winter conditions.
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Lol what in the gently caress. My wife’s next car is gonna be an ev, and Tesla keeps moving further down the list. Probably gonna wait for the market to get better and get the next model year Mach E.
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When we all end up being forced into EVs I'm more and more leaning daily towards a DIY kit. So I can have a car I actually want and all the torque in the world to twist the chassis.
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lol that the first Tesla was based on a Lotus, and today Tesla sells 100k cars a year and Lotus would be loving dead if a Chinese company hadn't taken them over.
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wow, 100k a year that's almost as many toyota corollas as are sold in four weeks
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Throatwarbler posted:lol that the first Tesla was based on a Lotus, and today Tesla sells 100k cars a year and Lotus would be loving dead if a Chinese company hadn't taken them over. I saw a tzero one time on Bear Creek Rd in Los Gatos, many years ago.
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Sagebrush posted:wow, 100k a year Throatwarbler posted:lol that the first Tesla was based on a Lotus, and today Tesla sells 100k cars a year and Lotus would be loving dead if a Chinese company hadn't taken them over. Tesla did 206,000 cars last quarter so you're off by 8x and growing esp given two more factories will open in the next 12 months. 2022 I would suggest it's a million a year. quote:How many new ones have you been around? The panel gap is AMAZINGLY variable Tesla delivery center is around the corner from the office so I entertain myself some lunchtimes laughing at it. No one is denying there is cars with issues but still better than the average Italian or french car. Or Chrysler. And a good deal of GM's sad sacks of poo poo. And it's not like traditional car makers arent continuosly making hilariously dumb build mistakes as well. Or do some of the most incredibly stupid design decisions. quote:And sure....used ones already de-risk the worst initial manufacturing problems by the simple fact that they have presumably been driven for a few years and a few 10s of thousands of miles Despite the veritable internet industry that has sprung up around trying to make out Tesla's are all smoking bodgy built wrecks, the actual truth is the average customer gets a car that has very few issues, with lower required maintenace that just keeps going and is likely to just keep going while doing EV things better than other car makers have managed so far.
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A local detailer got his YT channel killed because he went into great detail showing how lovely Tesla paint was. Of the dozen cars he featured they all had incredibly thin paint, easily scratched with just fingernails. Elon didn't care for that and boom, YT killed his channel and his employer got several CD letters.
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Rhyno posted:A local detailer got his YT channel killed because he went into great detail showing how lovely Tesla paint was. Of the dozen cars he featured they all had incredibly thin paint, easily scratched with just fingernails. yikes i wonder what rich rebuilds is fending off behind the scenes
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Rhyno posted:A local detailer got his YT channel killed because he went into great detail showing how lovely Tesla paint was. Of the dozen cars he featured they all had incredibly thin paint, easily scratched with just fingernails. Got a source on this, because I cant find reference with a google search?
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My Cadillac story is a kid in my high school in 1995 (shut up) had some late 70s/early 80s caddy with the 500 inch motor. It didn't matter that the thing put out less than your average Camry nowadays it was 5. Hundred. Cubic. Inches. and it won the displacement wars at my school. I also got a ride in a brand new STS not long after they came out and that was my "I've made it" car for a very long time.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Got a source on this, because I cant find reference with a google search? It didn't make any news or anything and he wasn't some 100K sub channel, just a guy doing detail videos at work and showing off how lovely Tesla paint was. He's a local cars and coffee regular, worked at Dream Makers Auto before the closed up shop.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:No one is denying there is cars with issues but still better than the average Italian or french car. Italian cars maybe, but absolutely not French cars. My 2000 Peugeot 406 had better fit and finish than a brand new Tesla, and both PSA and Renault have greatly improved their quality and reliability on top of that over the last two decades. Drive a 308, 508, Megane or Talisman sometime, they're seriously good.
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Throatwarbler posted:lol that the first Tesla was based on a Lotus, and today Tesla sells 100k cars a year and Lotus would be loving dead if a Chinese company hadn't taken them over. Honestly, I'm still kicking myself for not snagging some shares of Tesla stock back when it was under $10/share, instead thinking "there's no way in hell this company can survive as anything but a niche outfit (like Elio Motors)." Welp, shows what I know.  KozmoNaut posted:Italian cars maybe, but absolutely not French cars. My 2000 Peugeot 406 had better fit and finish than a brand new Tesla, and both PSA and Renault have greatly improved their quality and reliability on top of that over the last two decades. I wish we got more modern French cars in the U.S. I bet they'd make superb highway cruisers.
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If Peugeot still made fun hot hatches I wouldn’t give them as much poo poo. A modern 406 coupe with a manual V6 would be decent. Things kind of went off the rails with them with the 206 GTI that was just numb and slow compared to the Clio Cup that was available at the same time.
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They did sort that out somewhat with the 206 RC, it had tighter suspension and a 180hp NA 2.0L. They don't make real proper hot hatches anymore, but even the standard 208 is a hoot to drive. My 406 was certainly well at home on the highway, throw it in 5th and just cruise at 150kph all day. Very comfortable and predictable suspension and handling, with better cornering than you'd expect from a family sedan. I could get it to 4-wheel drift in the snow with very little effort. 160hp wasn't mind-blowing, but it got out of its own way well enough. I miss driving that car. I don't miss the gas mileage and insurance. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Got a source on this, because I cant find reference with a google search? Tesla routinely has media/content taken down that they disagree with. This is not new. Here's the latest one I'm aware of: https://twitter.com/TaylorOgan/status/1438141148816609285 They also got the youtube video of this taken down already.
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