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just lol if it's Biden that manages to tear NATO apart, given all the wailing and gnashing-of-teeth over Trump trying to do it
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Sep 21, 2021 05:45
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pulling out of afghanistan already makes him the best president of my lifetime. destroying nato would probably make him the best of all time lmao
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Sep 21, 2021 05:46
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm almost done with reading a biography on Deng and not only did he consider himself to be a communist through-and-through, he himself was struggling against the liberals and the roaders that wanted China to open up even more than he already did whats the book
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Sep 21, 2021 05:47
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Spergin Morlock posted:free r guyovich
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Sep 21, 2021 05:49
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:free him from what self imposed exile I suppose
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Sep 21, 2021 05:54
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some links on evergrande https://adamtooze.substack.com/p/adam-toozes-top-links-is-evergrande Adam Tooze's Top Links: Is Evergrande "China's Lehman moment"? (#21) The smart money is definitely not betting on a Lehman-style implosion with uncontrolled systemic contagion. But it is also clear that this crisis poses a huge challenge for Beijing’s crisis-management. It is another test of “Keynesianism with Chinese characteristics”.
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Sep 21, 2021 05:57
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lol https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1439994370304925696
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Sep 21, 2021 06:10
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Spergin Morlock posted:free r guyovich open r guyovich to international market integration
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Sep 21, 2021 06:26
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https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-island-states-call-out-big-polluters/ quote:Britain and other small island states call out big polluters
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Sep 21, 2021 06:27
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https://twitter.com/INArteCarloDoss/status/1438944438286524425 https://twitter.com/INArteCarloDoss/status/1438944447782395915 https://twitter.com/INArteCarloDoss/status/1438944459132178466 https://twitter.com/INArteCarloDoss/status/1438944466728067077 mila kunis has issued a correction as of 06:33 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 06:30
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CaptainACAB posted:Also the west wasn't using a scientific (Marxist) analysis of politics whereas the Chinese are. American capitalism has no real ideological rooting and what little is there is complete voodoo compared to the science of Marxism. You can basically read D&D (or be exposed to them via Discord) to see how the Western political elite think and want to do. It's full of garbage that thinks that there's this nebulous current of ultranationalism that's propelling a 1984 state to crack down on everything and that there's secret gigadeathcamps etc. etc. etc. Never once was Marxism or Communism seriously entertained as something that's guiding the CPC's actions, because according to China watchers they're not actually Communist at all. The garbage spewed by China watchers from the West has basically taken on a life of its own and they are now running the asylum.
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Sep 21, 2021 07:09
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https://twitter.com/nytopinion/status/1439124981607190531?s=21 lol
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Sep 21, 2021 07:17
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paste the article plz
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Sep 21, 2021 07:22
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'social trust' is an enormous dogwhistle but lol at putting japan on there
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Sep 21, 2021 07:23
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In the winter of 1848, a 26-year-old Prussian pathologist named Rudolf Virchow was sent to investigate a typhus epidemic raging in Upper Silesia, in what is now mostly Poland. After three weeks of meticulous observation of the stricken populace — during which he carefully counted typhus cases and deaths by age, sex, occupation and social class — he returned with a 190-page report that ultimately blamed poverty and social exclusion for the epidemic and deemed it an unnecessary crisis. “I am convinced that if you changed these conditions, the epidemic would not recur,” he wrote. Dr. Virchow was only a few years out of medical school, but his report became the foundational document of the new discipline of social medicine. His vision for health went far beyond individuals and the pathogens lurking inside them: He pioneered the careful epidemiological examination of social conditions such as housing, education, diet and lifestyle, and he denounced the rigid social stratification perpetuated at the time by the Catholic Church. The same conditions of inequality that produced the Silesian typhus epidemic would soon foment a political revolution in Germany, and Dr. Virchow’s investigation helped turn him into a political revolutionary. “Medicine is social science and politics nothing but medicine on a grand scale,” he wrote. For epidemiologists studying the coronavirus today, that scale is still gauged by the mundane act of counting. The counting starts with descriptive statistics on the daily state of the pandemic — who’s infected, who’s sick, how many have died. And then those numbers are used to forecast the pandemic’s future, which lets officials plan and mobilize resources. Epidemiologists use those data to discern patterns over time and among different groups of people, and to determine reasons some get sick and others don’t. That’s the hard part of epidemiology. We know that the SARS-CoV-2 virus is the cause of Covid-19, and in that sense the story is very simple. But why does one exposed person get infected and not another? Despite more than 200 million detected cases worldwide, scientists still don’t understand much about transmission, nor what makes an infected person sick enough to be hospitalized, beyond simple demographics like age and sex. Nearly half a million scientific papers have now been published on Covid-19, and they marshal a dizzying array of hypotheses to explain the patterns observed, but a vast majority of those conjectures quickly fizzle out. Numerous studies early on noted the relative absence of Covid-19 cases in Africa and South Asia, for example, leading to many environmental, genetic and behavioral conjectures, until suddenly African countries and India also were devastated by soaring caseloads. Thus so many epidemiological theories came and went, such as the impacts of altitude and blood type. But one consistent association held on, and it’s the same one that Dr. Virchow found in Upper Silesia: Our current pandemic is socially patterned. This remains one of the few pervasive observations that consistently describes risks of infection, hospitalizations and death from Covid-19 around the world. Yet while wealth correlates with those who can work from home and order groceries online in rich countries, it explains less well the patterns among larger aggregations of people across states and nations. At this level, it appears that the more salient features that distinguish pandemic severity are relational factors like economic equality and social trust. It comes as no surprise to even the casual observer that the pandemic struck most ferociously in countries ridden with political division and social conflict. For example, consider the number of excess deaths across countries during the pandemic. Looking at those countries most severely affected, such as Peru, Bolivia, South Africa and Brazil, one sees mostly middle-income countries in political turmoil and with weak social institutions. Countries that had fewer deaths than would be expected based on prepandemic trends, on the other hand, are often richer, but also distinguished by high levels of political cohesiveness, social trust, income equality and collectivism, like New Zealand, Taiwan, Norway, Iceland, Japan, Singapore and Denmark. Many investigators have reached similar conclusions in research within and among countries on measures of political polarization, social capital, trust in government and income inequality. It makes sense that political polarization hampers effective pandemic response, but this is where explanatory inference gets trickiest, because we epidemiologists exist like everyone else inside the social forces that shape the pandemic. We are citizens as well as scientists, none of us immune to politicization and the way that it distorts perceptions and inferences. For example, how did the effectiveness of a drug like hydroxychloroquine become a political litmus test, rather than a question for dispassionate clinical study? Nothing is gained when basic scientific and policy questions become ideological footballs to be inflated and tossed around. The United States is the dominant biomedical research entity in the world, and so its flagrant political dysfunction became a global problem. This infused everything that we epidemiologists did with doubt, suspicion and the whiff of partisanship. Politics has dogged us at every turn in these past 18 months — astonishing failings at the C.D.C. and F.D.A. under political appointees, the politicization of proven interventions like masks and vaccines, and more. Take the return to in-person schooling. By April 2020, over three-quarters of the world’s schoolchildren were at home, yet we quickly learned enough to safely reopen schools for younger children — with measures like masking and ventilation — and this is indeed what happened in much of Canada, Europe and Asia. But that progress from evidence to policy hit a brick wall in the United States when the Trump administration aggressively promoted resumption of in-person schooling as a crucial step toward economic recovery. When the former president threw his weight behind the priority that children should be back in classrooms, blue-state politicians, teachers unions and many epidemiologists were adamantly opposed. Rational discourse about the policy question became all but impossible. Every interpretation of evidence became colored by the suspicion that it was in the service of a political allegiance. Science is a social process, and we all live amid the social soup of personalities, parties and power. The political dysfunction that holds America hostage also holds science hostage. Dr. Virchow wrote that “mass disease means that society is out of joint.” Society’s being out of joint means that epidemiological research is out of joint, because it exists inside the same society. This is not a new problem, but the dominant “follow the science” mantra misses the fact that the same social pathology that exacerbates the pandemic also debilitates our scientific response to it. To restore faith in science, there must be faith in social institutions more broadly, and this requires a political reckoning. Of course one can cite many specific challenges for scientists: The wheels are coming off the peer review system, university research is plagued by commercialization pressures, and so on. But all of these are the symptoms, not the underlying disease. The real problem is simply that sick societies have sick institutions. Science is not some cloistered preserve in the clouds, but is buried in the muck with everything else. This is why, just eight days after his investigation in Upper Silesia, Dr. Virchow went to the barricades in Berlin to fight for the revolution. Jay S. Kaufman is a professor of epidemiology at McGill University and served as the president of the Society for Epidemiologic Research from July 2020 through June 2021.
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Sep 21, 2021 07:23
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mila kunis posted:whats the book "Deng Xiaoping: A Revolutionary Life", by Alexander Pantsov I'd say his writing is somewhat similar to Kotkin in that he's not at all sympathetic to the CPC, and there's maybe a bit too much "Great Man" attribution in it, but its very well researched and uses primary sources from China.
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Sep 21, 2021 07:24
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scientists are some of the most blinkered sons of bitches on earth
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Sep 21, 2021 07:25
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Danann posted:You can basically read D&D (or be exposed to them via Discord) to see how the Western political elite think and want to do. It's full of garbage that thinks that there's this nebulous current of ultranationalism that's propelling a 1984 state to crack down on everything and that there's secret gigadeathcamps etc. etc. etc. Never once was Marxism or Communism seriously entertained as something that's guiding the CPC's actions, because according to China watchers they're not actually Communist at all. Yeah I'm increasingly thinking though that this whole plan came about because the CPC, being Marxists, used scientific reasoning to find a way to essentially force capitalism to defeat itself. China gladly absorbed all the West's industry and technology and was richly rewarded for it, because they put themselves in a situation where the very nature of free market capitalism ensured their success. Western firms, driven by an absolute need to maximize profits by any means necessary, had to go to China. It's brilliant really.
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Sep 21, 2021 08:13
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my own dumb take is that the common factor that actually enabled an effective response is (a) they're all unitary governments that are (b) willing to exercise state power to introduce + enforce public health measures. i just don't know about japan – how much decision-making is delegated to the prefectures? Office Pig posted:scientists are some of the most blinkered sons of bitches on earth yeah lol
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Sep 21, 2021 08:14
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I wouldn't even consider Japan to have had any kind of particularly good COVID response - as far as I can tell they're just not doing a lot of testing.
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Sep 21, 2021 08:17
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gradenko_2000 posted:I wouldn't even consider Japan to have had any kind of particularly good COVID response - as far as I can tell they're just not doing a lot of testing. Shhhh stop exposing their plans of killing the old
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Sep 21, 2021 08:20
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mila kunis posted:i think the dengists were always pretty clear about what they were about. there's probably a mix of reasons why the west didn't care: I'd argue that intention doesn't matter much. If the material basis of the economy is changed to a market and oligarchy base there'll be a risk to party control. Sure, you might intent to run a temporary NEP until you reassert control, but 25 years later the kids of the party leaders might sit on corporate boards.
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Sep 21, 2021 08:25
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It would have unless the party clearly reasserts control, which is what seems to be happening.
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Sep 21, 2021 08:47
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gradenko_2000 posted:I wouldn't even consider Japan to have had any kind of particularly good COVID response - as far as I can tell they're just not doing a lot of testing. watched a sumo tonight and lol at preventative measures. i guess they get tested
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Sep 21, 2021 09:44
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exmarx posted:my own dumb take is that the common factor that actually enabled an effective response is (a) they're all unitary governments that are (b) willing to exercise state power to introduce + enforce public health measures. What, gubmints actually good when they cannot invent parliamentarian copouts along with populaces who also not lib brained to accept them?
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Sep 21, 2021 09:50
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hot witch divorcee posted:yeah that seemed odd to me as well. the cia are mostly a bunch of dumbfucks with unlimited resources who just do opportunism on the chaos they cause. they don't have a stellar track record with anything that requires nuance or understanding of their (self-created) enemies. Danann posted:You can basically read D&D (or be exposed to them via Discord) to see how the Western political elite think and want to do. It's full of garbage that thinks that there's this nebulous current of ultranationalism that's propelling a 1984 state to crack down on everything and that there's secret gigadeathcamps etc. etc. etc. Never once was Marxism or Communism seriously entertained as something that's guiding the CPC's actions, because according to China watchers they're not actually Communist at all. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 11:08 on Sep 21, 2021 |
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Sep 21, 2021 11:02
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Spergin Morlock posted:free r guyovich he actually posted here a few days ago but no one seemed to notice R. Guyovich posted:that can't be right. yeonmi park told me they have one train everyone has to get out and push
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Sep 21, 2021 11:16
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Some Guy TT posted:he actually posted here a few days ago but no one seemed to notice Free him from lackadaisical posting
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Sep 21, 2021 11:29
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Office Pig posted:'social trust' is an enormous dogwhistle but lol at putting japan on there gradenko_2000 posted:I wouldn't even consider Japan to have had any kind of particularly good COVID response - as far as I can tell they're just not doing a lot of testing. The details of Japan's COVID response is basically complete garbage and they've hosed up BUT you have stuff like proper mask usage, a healthy population with limited comorbidities, and a generally good and easily accessible medical system (though of course not without some big caveats which I won't get in to). Seems to be that's been enough for things to work out for them, and they've apparently seen relatively low excess mortality, so even though they don't test much it doesn't seem that COVID is doing huge numbers and just not being capture in the data. Couple quick sources https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.09.20143164v20 - caveat preprint and not peer reviewed; notes how there's "significant" excess mortality in Tokyo but not huge relative to their lackluster response (and also literally holding the Olympics). https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid - can choose Japan, actually below projections for 2020, now a bit above for 2021 data, probably due to Delta, and rather expect it to climb in the winter, though we'll see how vaccination rates affect it. This is all relative of course but it hasn't exploded on them like the US et al despite not doing much more in the way of lockdowns. So, they really shouldn't be held as an example of an overall good response, but you can argue that they're a good data point for how even with minimal hard lockdown, efforts like basic mask use etc. can prevent poo poo from going totally sideways.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:19
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Spergin Morlock posted:self imposed exile I suppose probably should read the marxism thread regularly then lol
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Sep 21, 2021 12:20
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Still say it boils down to that China has a government that actually is interested in governing, not just being a pro wrestling referee for the megacorp playground.
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Sep 21, 2021 12:32
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China watchers are the new revolutionary vanguard
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Sep 21, 2021 12:54
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Still say it boils down to that China has a government that actually is interested in governing, not just being a pro wrestling referee for the megacorp playground.
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Sep 21, 2021 13:43
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https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1440315049885589513
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Sep 21, 2021 15:10
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hopefully the Chen Weihua Discourse Analysis by Posting method becomes a pillar of Posting with Chinese Characteristics
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Sep 21, 2021 15:20
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Chen Weihuayovich
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Sep 21, 2021 15:22
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deng: just as keikaku* *keikaku means keikaku
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Sep 21, 2021 15:24
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American crown spending achievements: Veterans Affairs ($260B+) spends more than China and India in that list combined and yet there's still amazing stuff like homeless vets lmao Intel agencies ($68B+) spends more than India DHS ($52.2B) spends more than Germany
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Sep 21, 2021 15:33
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yah that cited military budget is certainly a tremendous undercounting
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Sep 21, 2021 15:44
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the inscrutable New Zealander and his Confucian value system
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