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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


The Question IRL posted:

I remember going into a hardware store once to get fireplace cleaning equipment for when I was living in an apartment in the city. They sold special balloons which were designed to inflate and stick in your chimney to reduce the draft when you are not using it, and be easy to remove if you decide to light a fire.

You can't fool me, that's a sex thing.

e: 66 also a sex thing

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Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


https://twitter.com/KieranHurwood/status/1440835732558417924

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

Gonzo McFee posted:

https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1441025634440990726?s=19

Lmao please let that creepy little doughnut do a leadership challenge.

Lol loving hell, the best they can do is Wes Streeting?

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Biggus Dickus posted:

Minor heart attack this morning when Octopus emailed me to say my electric was going from 13p/5p to 26p flat rate. Then someone checked the computer and it turns out they had renewed me on my existing rates just before everything went nuts.

Purely coincidentally I met with a former employer who is now an agent for air-source heat pumps and home batteries. Have been planning the pump thing for a while but now looks like a good time to investigate both.

Skill Builder on YT has a few vids on heat pumps, the good & bad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhAKMAcmJFg

No personal view on them, i just have a varied YT sub list. :shrug:

1965917
Oct 4, 2005

I keep having the same conversation with boombers and its driving me insane.

Boomer: *complains about government being corrupt, destroying the NHS, generally being poo poo*
Me: Well maybe you should have voted for Corbyn
Boomer: oh no, HE WoUldn't hAVE BEen any BEtTER

FFS where did this thought terminating mantra come from and how did they all learn it together?

Yes I know I do this to myself by engaging, but in my defense I'm an idiot

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Gort posted:

I didn't really know much about heat pumps until a quick round of Googling a few minutes ago. It looks like:

* Heat pumps are more expensive than boilers to buy/install
* Heat pumps heat more slowly than boilers
* Heat pumps are much more efficient than boilers - 2 times as good as gas, 6 times as good as electric
* Heat pumps cost a lot less to run due to said efficiency, and are much better for the environment
* Heat pumps and boilers last about as long (10-15 years)

Is that about right?

My problem with heat pumps is that no one in this country seems to understand how they're supposed to work? Heat pumps are basically just air conditioners in reverse - in fact they should be easy to switch into air conditioning mode for the summer. But that means that they should heat in the same way AC cools - the heating/cooling pipes attach to vents around the home and pump hot or cold air into the rooms. But from what I can see we're instead trying to retrofit heat pumps onto our traditional central heating systems, basically sticking heat pumps onto the boiler to heat it, and then pumping the hot water around the house. But this is the thing heat pumps are absolutely worst at, leading to slower heating, and completely removing the benefit of also having AC (which is getting more and more important every year). Heat pumps should be heating or cooling our houses directly, and then leaving heating a boiler to more traditional means (though you can get heat pump augmented in to make it more efficient). My boiler needs replacing and I looked into the possibilities of heat pumps, but the poo poo version had a state subsidy while the good version had absolutely nothing, even though it costs more.

E: I'm getting my heat pump info from Technology Connections, btw:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7J52mDjZzto

Comrade Fakename fucked around with this message at 15:00 on Sep 23, 2021

Mega Comrade
Apr 22, 2004

Listen buddy, we all got problems!

Gort posted:

I didn't really know much about heat pumps until a quick round of Googling a few minutes ago. It looks like:

* Heat pumps are more expensive than boilers to buy/install
* Heat pumps heat more slowly than boilers
* Heat pumps are much more efficient than boilers - 2 times as good as gas, 6 times as good as electric
* Heat pumps cost a lot less to run due to said efficiency, and are much better for the environment
* Heat pumps and boilers last about as long (10-15 years)

Is that about right?

Is also varies on the type of heat pump. Ground source is the gold standard, its incredibly efficient and costs a good 30-40% less to run...but installation can run to £20k...
Air source is much cheaper but not as efficient. Still beats gas and electric though.

Both are not suitable for all homes though, if you're in a flat for example none of them are an option.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Gort posted:

I didn't really know much about heat pumps until a quick round of Googling a few minutes ago. It looks like:

* Heat pumps are more expensive than boilers to buy/install
* Heat pumps heat more slowly than boilers
* Heat pumps are much more efficient than boilers - 2 times as good as gas, 6 times as good as electric
* Heat pumps cost a lot less to run due to said efficiency, and are much better for the environment
* Heat pumps and boilers last about as long (10-15 years)

Is that about right?
Heat pumps (and to a much lesser extent condensing boilers) also don't perfectly match the type of radiators that most homes have, they're better suited to either a slow underfloor type thing or an active heater that will get the most heat out of the water.

In the case of condensing boilers that's because the colder the return flow is, the more efficient the condenser is, in the case of heat pumps its more simply because the water isn't as hot.

The last time I did the maths it still didn't cost in on getting one for me (still cost about 1.1x as much as gas to run during the coldest part of the year taking their datasheet numbers as gospel) but that may change very soon.

Ground to water are the most expensive but get an efficiency boost in very cold weather, air to water are still expensive, and air to air are the most affordable but you'll still need a way of getting hot water.

FiftySeven
Jan 1, 2006


I WON THE BETTING POOL ON TESSAS THIRD STUPID VOTE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS HALF-ASSED TITLE



Slippery Tilde

Biggus Dickus posted:

Minor heart attack this morning when Octopus emailed me to say my electric was going from 13p/5p to 26p flat rate. Then someone checked the computer and it turns out they had renewed me on my existing rates just before everything went nuts.

Purely coincidentally I met with a former employer who is now an agent for air-source heat pumps and home batteries. Have been planning the pump thing for a while but now looks like a good time to investigate both.

I got an email through from Bulb 2 days ago saying that my electricity usage in my shop was higher than their assumed usage from my old provider and therefore I owed them £450 and my monthly payments needed to go up by £300. Needless to say, that was absolutely ludicrous and when I checked, they hadn't had a meter reading from the so called smart meters in 3 months since it was installed and somehow came to the insane conclusion that I would have used 4 times the energy I actually had done when you look at my meter.

What the actual gently caress are they playing at with this poo poo? They didn't get a reading from their own equipment so they just make a random guess and charge according to that rather than contacting me and asking for me to check it?

Needless to say, I had to contact the bastards and got my payments reduced back down and my account re-debited back into credit, but I am pretty angry with them

ronya
Nov 8, 2010

I'm the normal one.

You hate ridden fucks will regret your words when you eventually grow up.

Peace.

ThomasPaine posted:

What really sometimes makes me miserable is that this dominant ideology shouldn't be as completely ingrained as it is. Yeah, the simplified 'common sense' economic arguments seem superficially compelling to those who don't really think about the nature of money and the role of government etc, but they are completely full of holes and would be so, so easy to discredit for an aggressive, co-ordinated left-wing campaign that refused to pull its punches or apologise - Starmer-esque flipflopping around deeply neoliberal ideas of financial responsibility the like just reinforces that there is no alternative, and what's the point in triangulating your way into office if by the time you get there you're saying the same thing as the other guy, just looking a bit sad about it? The pandemic could have been a golden opportunity for a mass socialist organisation and propaganda campaign, but no. We have a shitlib Labour boosting the government and the good people who jumped ship after Corbyn (who tbh I don't think would have seized the moment particularly well either) are now either completely disillusioned with politics, have gone to well-meaning but ultimately hopeless local organising efforts, or have joined one of the twenty tiny new parties with fifty guys in them apiece.

What happened to people actually having ideas? Actually really thinking about things and having these big discussions in at least the semi-mainstream? Where are our generation's Lenins, or Castros, or Luxemburgs? Sure, you get a few standout academics fighting the good fight - Zizek, Parenti etc - but where is the energy for direct political engagement and opposition? Neoliberalism is deeply ingrained, but is it really any more ingrained than British nationalism was at the height of the empire, when Marx was running about London getting into drunken fistfights with right-wingers in pubs, and calling for armed revolution? Outside of a few nobodies there's just nothing to look forward to but an endless, torturous decline until either climate change kills us all. Who knows, maybe the CCP are telling the truth after all. Maybe we'll hit 2030 and they'll announce that China's productive forces are sufficiently developed, hit the big red communism now button, become the global world power, and usher in a golden age of peace and equality. We can hope, lol.

tldr: I just want something to get behind and fight for and have even the smallest chance of winning. Here's hoping that Scotland goes independent in the next few years at least. It'd become another boring capitalist liberal democracy with most of the same problems the UK as a whole has but at least it would be funny to watch the Britnats lose their minds.

I unironically really like this post

It's an insight into a really unique outlook

(that it is unique is, I suppose, the point being bemoaned)

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?
At this point I'm fairly sure smart meter is basically another term for false economy

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006

FiftySeven posted:

I got an email through from Bulb 2 days ago saying that my electricity usage in my shop was higher than their assumed usage from my old provider and therefore I owed them £450 and my monthly payments needed to go up by £300. Needless to say, that was absolutely ludicrous and when I checked, they hadn't had a meter reading from the so called smart meters in 3 months since it was installed and somehow came to the insane conclusion that I would have used 4 times the energy I actually had done when you look at my meter.

What the actual gently caress are they playing at with this poo poo? They didn't get a reading from their own equipment so they just make a random guess and charge according to that rather than contacting me and asking for me to check it?

Needless to say, I had to contact the bastards and got my payments reduced back down and my account re-debited back into credit, but I am pretty angry with them

if I was running an energy company that was potentially going out of business in the next month or so I'd probably be trying to squeeze every last penny out of my customers that I could tbh

obviously I'd need to be an absolute bastard but it's not like I'd have got into that position without being one

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh

Biggus Dickus posted:

Minor heart attack this morning when Octopus emailed me to say my electric was going from 13p/5p to 26p flat rate. Then someone checked the computer and it turns out they had renewed me on my existing rates just before everything went nuts.

Purely coincidentally I met with a former employer who is now an agent for air-source heat pumps and home batteries. Have been planning the pump thing for a while but now looks like a good time to investigate both.

This is what peak being on a pre-payment gas and electric smart meter without a standing charge looks like. If they don’t go bust I can run the central heating if it gets real cold, if they do or the gas goes up again choices will happen.

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

ronya posted:

I unironically really like this post

It's an insight into a really unique outlook

(that it is unique is, I suppose, the point being bemoaned)

I wouldn't say it's a particularly unique outlook, here in the UKMT, in the year 2021?

peanut-
Feb 17, 2004
Fun Shoe
The Times reporting that we're going to start adding fluoride to drinking water nationwide in the next few years.

I'm way too Americanised, I didn't realise we weren't doing this already.

Nice for the anti-vaxxers to have something new to occupy themselves with post-Covid.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.

ronya posted:

I unironically really like this post

It's an insight into a really unique outlook

(that it is unique is, I suppose, the point being bemoaned)

I feel that I am being mocked in eight dimensions, somehow.

I don't think I made my point particularly articulately, but christ I am frustrated with everything and I needed to post about it.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


ronya posted:

I unironically really like this post

It's an insight into a really unique outlook

(that it is unique is, I suppose, the point being bemoaned)

The fact that you think this outlook is "really unique" shows how wildly out of touch you are. Looking forward to the Streeting ascendency, I guess.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
I would like to declare my wholehearted support for Wes Streeting for leader of the Labour Party as the man most likely to bring about my political agenda of banishing the Labour Party to the Phantom Zone where it belongs.

(Seriously, surely the only people who actually thing he could have a chance at leader are the McShitter and his ever so grateful mum?)

Red Oktober
May 24, 2006

wiggly eyes!



feedmegin posted:

Sooo my hunch was correct, my landlord has found a new estate agent to try and sell this place and he has 3 people coming round for viewings on Saturday. May be moving house soon I guess? :shrug:

Remember that your tenancy is still valid until it expires, so they’ll need to either sell the house with vacant possession (and pay you to leave if you’re in contract); or find a buyer who will buy the place with you in it. They can’t get decide you need to leave because they’re selling, assuming you still have a valid tenancy.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

feedmegin posted:

Sooo my hunch was correct, my landlord has found a new estate agent to try and sell this place and he has 3 people coming round for viewings on Saturday. May be moving house soon I guess? :shrug:

A few days after you invite goons to your house the landlord decides to sell up and flee? Who could have seen this coming?

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

peanut- posted:

The Times reporting that we're going to start adding fluoride to drinking water nationwide in the next few years.

I'm way too Americanised, I didn't realise we weren't doing this already.

Nice for the anti-vaxxers to have something new to occupy themselves with post-Covid.

Parts of the UK do already do it, for ages.
Its just not everywhere.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Other places like north Derbyshire and the Southern Pennines don't need to due to naturally high fluorspar deposits.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

1965917 posted:

I keep having the same conversation with boombers and its driving me insane.

- British AA gun, 1941

Hidingo Kojimba
Mar 29, 2010

feedmegin posted:

Sooo my hunch was correct, my landlord has found a new estate agent to try and sell this place and he has 3 people coming round for viewings on Saturday. May be moving house soon I guess? :shrug:

As Twisto says, there’s no special possession procedure just because the landlord wants to sell up. If they want you out they still need to follow the normal process of serving notice and getting a possession order from the county court. (The specifics will depend on the type of tenancy and contract.) If the landlord sells without first obtaining possession (or bribing you to surrender your tenancy) then your tenancy will almost certainly be binding on the purchaser.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

Red Oktober posted:

Remember that your tenancy is still valid until it expires, so they’ll need to either sell the house with vacant possession (and pay you to leave if you’re in contract); or find a buyer who will buy the place with you in it. They can’t get decide you need to leave because they’re selling, assuming you still have a valid tenancy.

Surely everyone now has assured shorthold tenancies, where they can give you notice any time they please.

Answers Me
Apr 24, 2012
I don't get why the Labour right are in any rush to replace Starmer. It's not like there's a singular dynamite candidate (in their mind) waiting in the wings, and Starmer's doing everything they want anyway. Might as well keep him as a fall guy. I guess the answer is the right aren't a singular competent blog, and the careerist instinct will cause some to come out of the woodwork (a la Wes 'NUS to Blairite pipeline' Streeting)...?

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum
amazing. I'm on one of those energy flipping companies that checks your tarrif and automatically switches you. Couple of days ago they tried switching me from green to avro. avro went tits up so they kept me on green. now green has gone tits up. To top it off, the tarrif flipping company has also gone bust lol. Free market efficiency in action.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Oh dear me posted:

Surely everyone now has assured shorthold tenancies, where they can give you notice any time they please.

No, it's usually either a 6 or 12 month term where neither of you can vanish at the drop of a hat, then after that it goes to month to month where the tenant can give 1 months' notice, the landlord usually 2 but I think still 4 right now because COVID.

I am in that latter case; I'm aware they can't just chuck me out if they find a buyer, but they're fairly clear they'll Section 21 me if they do.

Oh dear me
Aug 14, 2012

I have burned numerous saucepans, sometimes right through the metal

feedmegin posted:

after that it goes to month to month where the tenant can give 1 months' notice, the landlord usually 2 but I think still 4 right now because COVID.

That's actually what I meant. With a shorthokd 'rolling' tenancy they can give you notice without needing any reason, so 'I want you out so I can sell up' is fine. I am being evicted for this reason in November.

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


Answers Me posted:

I don't get why the Labour right are in any rush to replace Starmer. It's not like there's a singular dynamite candidate (in their mind) waiting in the wings

:wrong:

https://twitter.com/ChrisKPH/status/1441062113062100996

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler
Wes Streeting the latest great hope of the Labour Right, Jesus.

I guess the idea is that being young, he's a fresh face with no baggage? Or am I thinking about this far more deeply than his supporters have?

Julio Cruz
May 19, 2006
surely if Streeting is running then Jessflaps will do the same

StarkingBarfish
Jun 25, 2006

Novus Ordo Seclorum

Julio Cruz posted:

surely if Streeting is running then Jessflaps will do the same

That hustings will be absolutely grim

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
Stella Creasy's also got that GoFundMe running, so maybe she's lining up a run at the leadership.

ThomasPaine
Feb 4, 2009

We have no compassion and we ask no compassion from you. When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
If Corbyn ran again he'd probably win which would be extremely funny.

(Not sure if he could given the suspension etc but failing him someone like McDonnell would be just as good)

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"
BP is running out of petrol and diesel which is another sign that everything is fine.

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
*creaking economy and rampant poverty*

wuururuughgh jobjobjobjobs huhd wuhk und putriuhtuc wut uggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :manning: urururrururgh

The Perfect Element
Dec 5, 2005
"This is a bit of a... a poof song"
So virtually all the petrol stations in my town have run out of fuel. Both diesel and petrol. Kind of unnerving (and irritating). But there's nothing about a fuel crisis in the press at all (which is bizarre given how expensive it's got over the last couple of months. Guess talking about it would be doing down Britain).

Should we all be filling up jerry cans while feverishly chain smoking, or is it just some random localised thing?

Edit : oh wait poo poo it's suddenly
national news. gently caress

The Perfect Element fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Sep 23, 2021

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a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

crispix posted:

*creaking economy and rampant poverty*

wuururuughgh jobjobjobjobs huhd wuhk und putriuhtuc wut uggs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :manning: urururrururgh

I cant tell if this is an impression of Boris or Kieth or both.

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