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Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

Radicalism is everywhere if you know where to look, it just hasn't found effective outlets since the fall of the USSR outside of the Pink Tide, which has been extremely limited at best

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bristol cool chart
Jun 18, 2021

by Hand Knit

mcclay posted:

Marxism-Leninism by itself is a dying ideology, the real strength of the proletariat, esp in the third world, is behind marxism-leninism-maoism. embrace the line struggle comrades, it will give ur organizing a shot in the arm.



also i may just be drunk but also debating becoming a stalinist due to both losurdo and how good Tovarisch Stalin sounds

you're a loving idiot. anyway the basic facts of history should make you a stalinist.

mcclay
Jul 8, 2013

Oh dear oh gosh oh darn
Soiled Meat

bristol cool chart posted:

you're a loving idiot. anyway the basic facts of history should make you a stalinist.

no u

bristol cool chart
Jun 18, 2021

by Hand Knit
Maoism is not a departure from Marxist-leninism. It's a change in approach based on a different set of circumstances.

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Hefty Leftist posted:

wouldn't the rise of social democracy off imperial exploitation and the outsourcing of manfacturing labor to the third world be the precise reason that MLM has remained relevant there compared to the decline/repression of MLism in the west? getting thru Imperialism in the 21st Century by John Smith which goes into this and the modern conditions of imperialism. how does one apply Marxism to and build an ML movement in the service economies of the west that are pretty much parasitic on workers in the third world?

how is that book?

swimsuit
Jan 22, 2009

yeah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IKJfz9wfhg

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.


Supporting imperialist states in order to oppose imperialism. :thunk:

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Infrared's broader point is correct - just because you claim to be anti-imperialist doesn't mean that your actions or stances can't inadvertently support imperialism - but he seems to have a very strange way of expressing it.

Plus he claims that the anti-war movement would have ended Vietnam sooner if it had engaged with the pro-American working class, which isn't how things work in a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie.

I turned the video off at about fifteen minutes. Does he start making better arguments after that? I'm not sure I want to listen to a couple of dudes arguing for over an hour if that's the quality of the arguments that I'll be subjected to.

animist
Aug 28, 2018
youtube debatelords are generally pretty ignorable

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Even with the one guy being very hot I found that unwatchable/unlistenable

Just 2 loudmouth oafs talking over each other and contradicting themselves

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


Mr. Lobe posted:

Even with the one guy being very hot I found that unwatchable/unlistenable

while we should definitely encourage himboism as a socialist principle, if they can't talk it's all for nothing

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

That poo poo is stupid but rooting for my boy Jason just out of principle.

Scrree
Jan 16, 2008

the history of all dead generations,
i find infrared's produced content, and even haz's friendly discussions with other marxists to be at least interesting, but all the debate stuff immediately turns into arguments about rhetoric that serve more to rally/decry existing tribes of online left-wing weirdos then anything meaningful

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


AnimeIsTrash posted:

That poo poo is stupid but rooting for my boy Jason just out of principle.

What principle is that

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Mr. Lobe posted:

What principle is that

https://twitter.com/MaoistRebelNews/status/1036403864361201664

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007


Ok, I want to be taken seriously as a threat to the establishment. Make my head look like a Hershey kiss that got left in the sun.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...



Cringey impotent posturing, got it

Trash Ops
Jun 19, 2012

im having fun, isnt everyone else?

engagement brained debate bros are universally the worst and i understand why some people will engage with them, but i wish they didn't

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Scrree posted:

i find infrared's produced content, and even haz's friendly discussions with other marxists to be at least interesting, but all the debate stuff immediately turns into arguments about rhetoric that serve more to rally/decry existing tribes of online left-wing weirdos then anything meaningful

Same. I guess there's enough demand for YouTube/Twitch debates but most of it devolves into, like, Discord drama and it becomes unlistenable. If it gets people to stop listening to streamers like Vaush and to start reading groups or whatever then I guess it's good for something.

corgiwizard
Oct 27, 2020

Is Gorbachev still on the Pizza Hut pay roll? Free breadsticks for life?

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

corgiwizard posted:

Is Gorbachev still on the Pizza Hut pay roll? Free breadsticks for life?

I think he got paid a comparative pittance to make that advert which is just icing on the cake

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

John Charity Spring posted:

I think he got paid a comparative pittance to make that advert which is just icing on the cake

that would be funny and I tried to find out

quote:

The exact amount that Gorbachev received was never disclosed, although it was argued that it was one of the largest talent fees in history.[2] According to The New York Times, some reports indicate Gorbachev was paid close to US$1 million (equivalent to about $2M in 2020).[10]

$2 million sounds good to me.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/TheAcherons/status/1443345654307332098

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!
I’m surprised Gorbachev made all the buzz and no one cared about Yeltsin at all.

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007

lol

Zedhe Khoja
Nov 10, 2017

sürgünden selamlar
yıkıcılar ulusuna

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

I’m surprised Gorbachev made all the buzz and no one cared about Yeltsin at all.

Yeltsin was the adorable drunk russian bear bringing FREEDOM with Uncle Sam's help in the American consciousness, and the best way to make sure that image of him stayed like that was to not ever let Americans witness what he was like: a terrifying, suicidally depressed blackout drinker who would murder your grandma for a nickle (and did).

corgiwizard
Oct 27, 2020

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

I’m surprised Gorbachev made all the buzz and no one cared about Yeltsin at all.

It’s the Pizza Hut factor

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

did u make the pizza hut ad

yes

what did it cost

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

comedyblissoption posted:

did u make the pizza hut ad

yes

what did it cost

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

*nods*

its important to own that

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1443208942272884737

https://twitter.com/Vinncent/status/1443369502226386949

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
I told you about sparing the bloodline bro!

https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1443914844529332227?s=19

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 210 days!

even with its star faded, aristocracy still commands enough power to demand to be ended on its own terms: to kill a claim to a throne, you must kill every heir without exception. it's perhaps the worst thing about aristocrats- you have to kill them. the beast that created them demands it, and will have this last thing of us.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Trash Ops posted:

im joining black hammer gently caress the haters land back unity
you just got owned by the shark king. land back daddy-o

croup coughfield posted:

E: I'd be remiss in talking about CPUSA without sharing that there's a rumor going around with some of the younger members that the party has a secret war chest of like $20 million they've been sitting on. There's a growing conspiracy to unearth it lol
it's buried in a vault in arizona along with one of lenin's toes. you should be careful to unleash such power

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 18:44 on Oct 1, 2021

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

hot witch divorcee posted:

lol ok this is hilarious. but yeah this--that there's kind of a what someone in the party described to me as a "a bit of a dialectic between old and new in our party"--is the impression im getting from everything i'm finding out. so i kind of expect there to be problems and a lot of non-ideal stuff, but there should be some good things to learn from the older people before they pass on, and the time is now to start building a newer, more modern party that understands what needs to be done and is preparing to weather the all but nigh-inevitable new red scare and fascist uprising


elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
just watched this parenti lecture/presentation again. the q&a at the end is one of my fav parts, the bit about how a lot of people 'do marx' without knowing marx. also its just an overall good/honest rebuke of "left wing" anticommunism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgTWnUpvNiM


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

you just got owned by the shark king. land back daddy-o

it's buried in a vault in arizona along with one of lenin's toes. you should be careful to unleash such power

city slickers 2: the legend of chairman bob's gold

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
Probation
Can't post for 68 days!

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

you just got owned by the shark king. land back daddy-o

it's buried in a vault in arizona along with one of lenin's toes. you should be careful to unleash such power

from what i understand, the rumor actually started there

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

I think you could do a great remake of Cannonball Run where all the various left sects and parties all get told where this secret forgotten stash is and have a frantic rush cross country to claim Stalins gold.

I dont know what the finale would be, perhaps they have to break into some irrelevant government office and then get stuck there, or perhaps the gold is thousands of copies of the works of Stalin or something.

vvv So it is. Concepts are pretty similar though.

namesake has issued a correction as of 19:37 on Oct 1, 2021

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elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
its rat race. you want to watch rat race

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