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is anyone here familiar with "Romeo and Juliet" laws as it pertains to age-of-consent? as I understand it, these are provisions that are supposed to make an exception on what would constitute statutory rape, in cases where there's a small age-gap between the two people involved, given that there was consent. It varies from state-to-state, but for example in Connecticut, the age of consent is 16, but there is an exception for an age gap of up to two years, while California has no such provision - the age of consent there is 18, which means having sex with anyone below 18 years of age, regardless of any other circumstances, is illegal gradenko why the gently caress are you asking about this https://twitter.com/cnnphilippines/status/1442493958307794945 yesterday, the Philippine Senate approved a bill raising the age of consent from 12 to 16 the vote was 22 in favor, with one abstention the one Senator who abstained said that he did so because he was concerned over the inclusion of what is essentially a "Romeo and Juliet" provision, though he/they called it a "sweetheart" provision. the current age-of-consent in the Philippines is 12 years, with no exceptions the bill that the Senate approved raised it to 16 years, but with an acceptable age gap of three years I know (by now) that this "sweetheart" / "Romeo and Juliet" part of the law is not unusual given its existence in jurisdictions in other countries, but what's unclear to me is whether those provisions, as they exist in other countries, are themselves considered problematic I don't want to say that "it's fine, look, the US does it too", so I want to know if, for example, there are groups there, or if there's a general consensus, that this isn't acceptable, either
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 06:23 |
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I would say if you have that kind of exception, the age of consent should probably be as high as possible. Adults loving 16 year olds is weird.
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 06:49 |
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i don't even know how you'd investigate that really, aside from maybe looking at statutory rape arrests prior to a statute being enacted to see what sort of gaps/outcomes are happening, seems like there's some sort of cultural wiggle room that's generally accepted on touchy issues like this and anything just outside or inside of it that creates a large dispute is going to be highly individuated situations between families more than anything really to do with the parties involved personally speaking, a year or two seems OK to me as a simple way to eschew the complex question of different levels of maturity between teenagers and especially between young men and women and not allow aggressive or lovely things to happen to young people caught in lovely situations while leaving the door open for questions of consent and coercion. i mean, statutory implies the younger party unable to consent by the law, not so much the social contract all that said, it should probably be carefully tailored to the cultural mores of the jurisdiction. 16 years old and 3 years gap leads to a super squicky situation where like a 16 year old could have a romantic relationship with a 13 year old, or an 18/15 situation. that seems excessive for something that should more or less just protect kids hooking up with people in their same grade or something
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IIRC when I was a teenager in Texas it was 2 years and it dictated a lot of the social structure of my high school, insofar as it was pretty normal for juniors to date freshmen, or seniors to date sophomores, but seniors did not date freshmen, and the knock-on effect was that seniors didn't even really socialize with freshmen platonically It seemed fine mostly e: with the implementation of the law you're talking about specifically there though, 3 does seem to be too big a gap to me TheIncredulousHulk has issued a correction as of 07:26 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 07:20 |
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Horizon Burning posted:i wasn't particularly clear, i think, but i had the jab lmao none of the worries about he vaccine are things that you don't get from covid at a hugely higher rate and without the vaccines 100% of us we're going to get it soonest or later
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 07:31 |
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go back to covid is fake and vaccines make u a sissybot plz thks
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 07:33 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Yoooooo who is this from the episode's guest: quote:The Filipina poet and scholar Conchitina Cruz spoke up, transmuting the lead of theory into the gold of an astonishing historical example. In 1946, Edilberto Tiempo enrolled at the Iowa Writers’ Workshop, overlapping with Flannery O’Connor. They were the two students in class (the legend goes) with accents too thick to be understood by their classmates — both had to have their stories read aloud by others. A year later, Edilberto’s wife, Edith, matriculated too. the book is "Workshops of Empire: Stegner, Engle, and American Creative Writing during the Cold War"
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gradenko_2000 posted:I know (by now) that this "sweetheart" / "Romeo and Juliet" part of the law is not unusual given its existence in jurisdictions in other countries, but what's unclear to me is whether those provisions, as they exist in other countries, are themselves considered problematic everything i know about romero and juliet laws is from transformers: age of extinction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUq0HlMvQw0
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Bip Roberts posted:without the vaccines 100% of us we're going to get it soonest or later I don't think this is a particularly well-phrased statement. - it's possible to avoid catching COVID entirely, given certain behaviors and practices, particularly with regards to the wearing of PPE - because we are only human, you are probably going to gently caress it up at some point, whether it's failing to properly seal your mask, forgetting to wear one, giving in to social pressure to partake in an activity without wearing one, and so on - and so you do catch COVID, but if you're vaccinated then your chances of survival / avoiding debilitating long-term consequences is singificantly reduced - but the COVID vaccine does not guarantee against avoiding infection, nor does it guarantee against developing symptoms once infected - it's good to have given the likelihood that you'll catch COVID, but getting vaccinated by itself shouldn't be considered protection against catching it and I want to emphasize that last bit because if you draw the distinction between "if you don't have the vaccine, then you're going to get it eventually", then the converse is also asserted: "if you do have the vaccine, you're not going to get COVID"... ... which is wrong, because the vaccines don't do that, and you shouldn't treat them as doing that, because that just leads people to taking fewer precautions overall, such as thinking that indoor mass gatherings are safely doable just because everyone is vaccinated
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gradenko_2000 posted:- and so you do catch COVID, but if you're vaccinated then your chances of survival / avoiding debilitating long-term consequences is singificantly reduced this is where i keep thinking the issue is. for example, i don't leave my house, i have my groceries brought to me, and i work entirely from home. if i happen to need to go out somewhere i wear a mask, wash my hands, etc. okay, without the vaccine, i'm rolling the dice and the odds of getting hospitalized are higher. but i can't put it from my mind that once everyone is vaccinated and everyone thinks they're safe, what's going to happen is everyone is basically going to be rolling a lot more dice. i just think about my parents and friends with lung conditions and so on. like, are they really safe? or am i just going to need to live with the fact that maybe i'll carry covid to them if i meet up with them again?
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Horizon Burning posted:this is where i keep thinking the issue is. for example, i don't leave my house, i have my groceries brought to me, and i work entirely from home. if i happen to need to go out somewhere i wear a mask, wash my hands, etc. okay, without the vaccine, i'm rolling the dice and the odds of getting hospitalized are higher. but i can't put it from my mind that once everyone is vaccinated and everyone thinks they're safe, what's going to happen is everyone is basically going to be rolling a lot more dice. i just think about my parents and friends with lung conditions and so on. like, are they really safe? or am i just going to need to live with the fact that maybe i'll carry covid to them if i meet up with them again? yeah that's the other thing if I say "the vaccines don't work as well as the experts say they do", that gets translated into me trying to discourage people from getting vaccinated, when what I'd really rather happen is that people CONTINUE to wear masks and socially distance EVEN AFTER getting vaccinated, and that the measuring stick for when it is safe to revert to a 2019 level of public activity would be if cases are zero, regardless of vaccination status what instead is happening is that people keep over-hyping the utility of vaccines in the hopes of getting more people to take them, even if it means making the incorrect claim that you can therefore give up Non-Pharmaceutical Interventions once vaccinated, and then when it doesn't work like that, the rhetoric shifts into "the only people dying are the unvaccinated chuds", combined with "even if you do catch it, as long as you're vaccinated then it's no more than a bad cold", which is just one step removed from pre-vaccine COVID denialism ("just the flu, bro")
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crepeface posted:everything i know about romero and juliet laws is from transformers: age of extinction what the absolute gently caress
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i say swears online posted:what the absolute gently caress i absolutely love that he's got a loving laminated card in his wallet with the law printed out on it, it's like a sovereign citizen but for age of consent
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i say swears online posted:what the absolute gently caress virtually every character in those films, human and otherwise, is a freakish weirdo who exhibits the worst of humanity's impulses so idk it feels really appropriate to have a gross 'no way bro it's legal, i've got the law right here' guy like that in the film imo
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crepeface posted:everything i know about romero and juliet laws is from transformers: age of extinction I'd never actually watched that scene before. It's simultaneously less crazy than described and also much, much worse.
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Doctor Jeep posted:i absolutely love that he's got a loving laminated card in his wallet with the law printed out on it, it's like a sovereign citizen but for age of consent that's the part that got me good lmao
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crepeface posted:everything i know about romero and juliet laws is from transformers: age of extinction dude what the gently caress
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 08:19 |
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Why did posters start talking about the vaccine when I didn't post about the vaccine? I have previously but my recent posts on the topic are 2nd amendment, lockdown, mandate, civil rights related, I didn't mention the vaccine at all. This poo poo keeps getting ignored and then you talk about something else! You are tunnelvisioning on vaccines the same you are tunnelvisioning on COVID deaths while much other death and maiming has occurred consequent to "the virus" (ie, consequent to 'public health' policies) - or did you not yet notice that non-COVID mortality is higher this year than last and the year before that? But no let me make this very clear: If you are about my age, I presume you are (early 30s), then you have already lived through significant big lies which facilitated the "freedom for security" bargain - not that any of it provided security at all either, mind you - accepted and implemented into society. I just have to wonder how it is you could possibly keep stepping on that rake?
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crepeface posted:romero and juliet john romero about to make you his juliet
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 12:30 |
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was that a genuine typo or alluding to the age of Killcreek?
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crepeface posted:everything i know about romero and juliet laws is from transformers: age of extinction this wouldn't be as funny if it weren't for the michael bay camera panning and lighting and everything
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i say swears online posted:what the absolute gently caress
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:31 |
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i love that this meme acknowledges that it contains nazi propaganda and then attempts to say in the same breath "no, the nazi propaganda isn't actually nazi propaganda"
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:35 |
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Get this meme poo poo out of here ffs
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:37 |
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from the horrible steven pinker puff piece in the Guardian https://twitter.com/thebirdmaniac/status/1442828431687827457?s=20
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Pryor on Fire posted:I know this is the conspiracy thread but my god, get the loving jab you idiot
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:38 |
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https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...ces-report-saysquote:Canadian military leaders saw the pandemic as a unique opportunity to test out propaganda techniques on an unsuspecting public, a newly released Canadian Forces report concludes. ___ Serf posted:Assad never used chemical weapons all of this is unequivocally true though also lol at "Nazis run NATO" as supposedly being proven by a building shaped like runes and not because, say, Adolf Heusinger literally did run NATO
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:53 |
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wow this mfer comes in posts the article i posted yesterday just when u think u know someone
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:56 |
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Laterite posted:I hope it's worth pointing out that "anti vaxxers" have been a thing going back a decade+ since that debunked study linking them with autism. Uptake rates for commonly understood vaccines are lowering to the point where we're seeing stuff like goddamn measles making their way back into school populations in certain areas. As I never tire of pointing out it didn't help them kill Bin Laden, it helped them come up with a cover story that sounded better than "the Pakistanis finally told us where they hid him"
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:57 |
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nut posted:wow this mfer comes in posts the article i posted yesterday just when u think u know someone literacy is a CIA op hth
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:57 |
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I proffer a better meme to the thread.
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# ? Sep 28, 2021 13:58 |
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Zmej posted:https://twitter.com/coherentstates/status/1442673085254094850?s=20 Nearly missed this. Hypnotizing photo.
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The_Rob posted:I loving hate posts like this. let people talk and be honest. you haven’t added poo poo to this thread. lmao no, get the loving jab you moron
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gradenko_2000 posted:all of this is unequivocally true though yeah it rules when people try to frame it in a different way to score points on the internet. yeah there was a famine in the ukraine, but that was not historically unusual lol. and the nato building thing is an obvious deflection for the reason you stated also i was doing some research into fort detrick because that's where covid came from and i thought the name sounded familiar and boy howdy did i find one spooky connection. quote:Ishii was arrested by United States authorities during the Occupation of Japan at the end of World War II and, along with other leaders, was supposed to be thoroughly interrogated by Soviet authorities.[7] Instead, Ishii and his team managed to negotiate and receive immunity in 1946 from Japanese war-crimes prosecution before the Tokyo tribunal in exchange for their full disclosure.[8][9] Although the Soviet authorities wished the prosecutions to take place, the United States objected after the reports of the investigating US microbiologists. Among these was Dr. Edwin Hill, the Chief of Fort Detrick, whose report stated that the information was "absolutely invaluable;" it "could never have been obtained in the United States because of scruples attached to experiments on humans" and "the information was obtained fairly cheaply."[7] On 6 May 1947, Douglas MacArthur wrote to Washington D.C. that "additional data, possibly some statements from Ishii probably can be obtained by informing Japanese involved that information will be retained in intelligence channels and will not be employed as 'War Crimes' evidence."
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Serf posted:yeah it rules when people try to frame it in a different way to score points on the internet. yeah there was a famine in the ukraine, but that was not historically unusual lol. and the nato building thing is an obvious deflection for the reason you stated For a bit of fun you should look up all the famines that occurred in the USSR, paying mind to the years they occurred. See also the famines and their years under tsarist rule. Collectivization stopped famines. There were no famines after 1947.
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not gonna surprise anyone but the numbers here are already an lol to show how this is just a systemic design feature of the judicial system. it’s a huge article and I considered skipping out all the apologies and excuses the judges give but I would end myself sooner. [url=”https://www.wsj.com/articles/131-federal-judges-broke-the-law-by-hearing-cases-where-they-had-a-financial-interest-11632834421%94]131 Federal Judges Broke the Law by Hearing Cases Where They Had a Financial Interest[/url] ”WSJ” posted:
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why were there judges appointed by Long Balls Johnson working in 2010?
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mawarannahr posted:why were there judges appointed by Long Balls Johnson working in 2010? When you reach a certain age as a federal judge, you enter the courthouse and take a left where you usually take a right, and descend a staircase, where men in labcoats are waiting. You are stripped down, and smeared with goo. Big pointy metal things are shoved all up and down your nervous system. As the pain makes you white out, your unconscious husk is fully rigged up into the last seat you'll ever sit in, and you are placed on a conveyor system like in a laundromat, where you will 'rest' until your next appointed case.
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Only lie detected is the opening line.
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gradenko_2000 posted:is anyone here familiar with "Romeo and Juliet" laws as it pertains to age-of-consent? Am I missing the joke or is that Jim Carrey as Canadian Bad Guy
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