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apatheticman posted:I swear some interactions with small town Alberta are just pranks. Like how can a 5 minute interaction so consistently summarize a town. I thought Red Deer was summarized by the sound of pissing.
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Starks posted:apparently there are around 1000 Canadians in U.S. jails. Speaking of inhumane conditions that are an ostensible affront to Canadian values…
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Sep 28, 2021 06:13
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Alberta trip report: https://twitter.com/cspotweet/status/1442606010892369920?s=20 I don't recall at any point Alberta hitting >173 ICU patients prior to the pandemic. We're actually pretty good at keeping people out of the ICU. Despite what certain MLAs from Parkland County say, we shouldn't have 1000 ICU beds, because we don't usually need them. https://twitter.com/TheRealKeean/status/1442224677036781573 This is the latest right wing talking point. First off, it is nothing short of miraculous that Alberta Health Services has managed to double ICU capacity - it takes SO MANY loving PEOPLE to run an ICU, and apparently 'not recognizing this' is the latest trend. Second, managing a public company that runs something like a fifth of the GDP of Alberta is a big job and frankly half a mil a year isn't even in the same atmosphere as private sector compensation for comparable workloads. Third, Verna Yiu is honestly one of the nicest people I've ever met (~20 years ago she was the person giving career advice to med students at U of A, and was a calm and compassionate force in keeping myself and my colleagues sane through the last couple of years of med school). Not that that affects her level of competence, but I'm somewhat personally offended when she gets to be the right-wing pinata of the week. https://twitter.com/peachpear/status/1442608980610535429?s=20 Hey, that's my kids' school! Went from 2 to 10 to 31 to now 69 cases over the course of a week. They shut it down as of last Friday for 2 weeks, looking forward to the kids going back to school just in time for the whole provincial education system to get shut down for 2 more weeks after Thanksgiving. I swear I'm gonna punch the next person who tells me that COVID doesn't spread in schools. https://twitter.com/drdagly/status/1442332435534913542?s=20 Hey, Darren Markland is a great doctor and writes about the experience of critical care medicine better than the vast majority of physicians. It's much more affecting than anything I could possibly come up with. (It's a worthwhile thread to read). I'm personally more worried about how Alberta's health care system gets out of this mess. I don't see numbers in the ICU decreasing for a month or more, and we're poaching staff from every other department to keep people alive at the moment. There are no surgeries unless you will die without it in the next three days (or if you don't need a hospital bed afterwards). I've been throwing my usual number of referrals at specialty services because people still get sick, but I don't know when the woman I diagnosed with breast cancer this weekend is gonna get her surgery. I don't know when the patient who has a likely recurrence of her sinus cancer is gonna get chemo. I don't know when the patient I have who's been waiting for a knee replacement for four years is gonna stop being in pain - she's been at the 'top of the list' since about 2 months prior to the pandemic but she needs an ICU bed post-operatively and uhhhhh those haven't been available for a while now. This is all to say nothing of all the staff who will burn out and quit once this wave of the pandemic is over. There's so much delayed vacation time and personal leave and mental health care. We all have, theoretically, months of break that we never took that's piling up, but it's not like everyone can gently caress off at once when the hospitals empty out. We'll have years of catching up to the deferred care from the pandemic and dealing with the inevitable hospitalization and death from people that should've been treated promptly but we couldn't because the hospital was full. Albino Squirrel fucked around with this message at 06:21 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Sep 28, 2021 06:16
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The thing I really want to know is if there's actually increased vaccine uptake. The caseload map of the province is downright ridiculous too, a lot of the rural health districts have absolute case numbers comparable to the massively more populous urban health districts. Meanwhile there's no shortage of newspaper articles about the rural folks willing to tell the media that covid just doesn't affect them.
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Sep 28, 2021 06:34
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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PittTheElder posted:The thing I really want to know is if there's actually increased vaccine uptake. https://covid19tracker.ca/provincevac.html?p=AB
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Sep 28, 2021 06:42
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Only thing keeping ICUs in Alberta from total failure here is the daily discharge rate(deaths) is equal to the daily admitting rate.
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Sep 28, 2021 06:54
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pokeyman posted:Speaking of inhumane conditions that are an ostensible affront to Canadian values… We are not discussing "coconut on Nanaimo bars" here again.
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Sep 28, 2021 06:58
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Joink posted:Only thing keeping ICUs in Alberta from total failure here is the daily discharge rate(deaths) is equal to the daily admitting rate. The selfish mindset that leads people to distrust literally everyone except some crackpot snake-oil salesman on the internet and act and vote only for their own comfort and self-interest needed to disappear. I was hoping some sort of crisis like this would have forced them to see the error of their ways. But if instead it just straight up eliminates a substantial chunk of them, well with our current laws and national morals there was nothing more we could do to help them. We need vaccines to be mandatory sometime sooner rather than later. We simply can't afford to leave it in the moral grey-zone going forward. The Spanish flu burnt itself out after a few years without any vaccines, so we know this will end one way or another. But we will not survive as a nation if we let this kind of selfishness persist. I know it explodes the brains of some people but vaccination is the necessary exception to personal medical rights, it just has to be.
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Sep 28, 2021 08:35
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China is a bad country and you shouldn’t support anything they do. For any bad that western democracies do China and Russia are 100 times worse. You’d be in jail for saying the things you say. They hate democracy and will ship you to a concentration camp in a heartbeat for any public disagreement with the government. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sep 28, 2021 10:05
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Orthanc6 posted:The selfish mindset that leads people to distrust literally everyone except some crackpot snake-oil salesman on the internet and act and vote only for their own comfort and self-interest needed to disappear. I was hoping some sort of crisis like this would have forced them to see the error of their ways. But if instead it just straight up eliminates a substantial chunk of them, well with our current laws and national morals there was nothing more we could do to help them. The problem is that we have allowed political cults and foreign psy-ops to exist unabated. People are 100% convinced the vaccine makes you sterile and contains mind controlling microchips because we were too complacent to pop their bubbles before they were fully radicalized. We know they are part of Facebook groups created by Russian troll farms that are intentionally fed misinformation by Facebook to drive engagement and instead of stepping in before they protest and blockade hospitals, we write sob stories about their “vaccine hesitancy” as if their fears organically grew and are supposed to pity their half assed exclusion from the community. gently caress that. At this point, an adult attempting to participate in society unvaccinated is the equivalent to drunk driving. You’re going to kill someone. You’re going to give a child potentially life long physical or psychological issues. There are so many doing it that our healthcare system is nearing failure trying to save them all and we are accepting an editable PDF that says “I’m not drunk” as a drivers license. Of course on top of it all we chose the perfect time to elect the most psychotically selfish man children and Christian death cultists to lead us through this mess. The majority of Albertans want Kenney out because he is too politically extreme. Our only hope is mutiny from his party who think he is not extreme enough and a complete collapse from infighting while choosing a new leader. Unfortunately but unsurprisingly they’re all cowards as well, who would be ruling from their Hawaiian vacation homes right now if they could to avoid entirely the consequences of their decisions.
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Sep 28, 2021 10:28
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Hamelekim posted:China is a bad country and you shouldn’t support anything they do. rofl good one
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Sep 28, 2021 10:47
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I have been saying for a while now that conservatives and the people who vote for them are an existential threat to the human race, and Alberta just keeps confirming that. Also lol tankies gently caress off.
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Sep 28, 2021 12:24
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Mad Hamish posted:I have been saying for a while now that conservatives and the people who vote for them are an existential threat to the human race, and Alberta just keeps confirming that. rofl pathetic
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Sep 28, 2021 12:27
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China hates freedom and you, personally. China will abduct you in one of their warbirds. China will eat your baby.
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Sep 28, 2021 13:11
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:rofl good one what are you even doing here my dude
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Sep 28, 2021 14:12
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China's atrocities just don't have the personal touch of trying to exterminate my forebearers and marginalize and oppress my cousins that Canada's does. I'm sure I'd feel differently if I lived in Tibet, but there it is.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:13
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Hamelekim posted:China is a bad country and you shouldn’t support anything they do. Just because other people are being idiots about China doesn't mean that you have to ramp it up too. A kid doing their first social studies class would be able to generate more nuance than this.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:23
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Muscle Tracer posted:what are you even doing here my dude Trying desperately to get Canadians to have modicum of self awareness as we trundle along into the next phase of confrontation, as the aggressor. North Americans in general are all totally deluded about the actual nature of the empire we sit at the center of. We are the fascist super state. We are the ones whose agents pillage the world for our oligarchy. But without pausing for a moment progressives will declare China or Russia Authoritarian hell holes, never once investigating the actual facts, context or history of either side. What are you doing here? Here to jack off to the glorious history of the 'true north strong and free?' A lot of otherwise 'progressive' folk seem okay with discussing the skeletons of our history and imperial nature, but as soon as that fact is presented as a reason maybe we shouldn't attempt to police the world or casts stones, now thats unacceptable, how will we malign the perfidious celestials? Otherwise we'd have to focus on fixing ourselves, wouldn't we? The endless refrain of 'you can do two things' will come and, respectfully, you can't. Your focus is limited, as is the nation's at large. Rhetorical focus on the imagined monstrosities of the east serve directly to weaken any focus or criticism of our system, because then we don't seem so bad, so really why worry about it. The coddled privilege of the bourgeois to displace the problem to a nebulous generality, so nothing we do ever has to actually be challenged.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:26
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Trying desperately to get Canadians to have modicum of self awareness as we trundle along into the next phase of confrontation, as the aggressor. 
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Sep 28, 2021 14:28
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The last few pages of this thread are almost making me miss Cultural Imperial posting, and they're the only poster I ever blocked. But in CHYNAtalk, get ready for some real fun at Christmas if you're trying to buy mass produced goods from overseas! Supply chains are utterly turbo hosed, shipping costs are anywhere from 5-10x normal. Sea containers are unavailable, and so are spots on ships. If you're going to feed the corpse of capitalism, do it local this year if you're able to.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:33
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I’ll simplify this. An external enemy or competing superpower makes it easy to forget your internal problems and can unite a country like nothing else. Every time western countries gently caress with Iran for example it ends most of their internal dissent and unifies Iranians behind their government in the face of an external threat. In broad terms though I don’t like the way the Chinese use the powers of a centralized state to micromanage the lives of their citizens and I prefer the cultural influences of western countries vs China because I identify with them more so between two oppressors I’ll pick the one that most resembles me culturally.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:36
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Trying desperately to get Canadians to have modicum of self awareness as we trundle along into the next phase of confrontation, as the aggressor. your goal would probably be better served somewhere other than a thread that has like 20 regular readers, seems like a waste of your time relative to the magnitude of your objective. me personally, i'm here to learn news about canadian politics, not sure what all that poo poo you're projecting is about.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:38
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Muscle Tracer posted:not sure what all that poo poo you're projecting is about.  Basically the argument is because Canada conducted genocide against the native population, posters cannot criticize another nation for genocide, even if the poster opposes Canada's actions. Think of it as Original Sin with Chinese Characteristics. Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 14:49 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Sep 28, 2021 14:44
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Rust Martialis posted:
is still conducting genocide. And is still murdering people abroad, and employing child slaves, and destabilizing governments. This isn't our past. It's our present and foreseeable future. We have not changed. We've just put a coat of paint over it. it literally doesn't matter where I post this, but my catharsis comes from throwing this in the face of those who spout off about the perceived sins of enemies they've never actually bothered to investigate. It makes me feel good to tell you assholes to look in a loving mirror. Ron Paul Atreides fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Sep 28, 2021 14:54
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Glad to see casual denial of the currently-happening Xinjiang genocide here in the less-insane side of SA political discussion.
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Sep 28, 2021 14:59
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Kraftwerk posted:
Lmao you’re not supposed to say that out loud
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Sep 28, 2021 15:00
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Mad Hamish posted:Glad to see casual denial of the currently-happening Xinjiang genocide here in the less-insane side of SA political discussion. yeah, predictable garbage from the casual user of 'Tankie'.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:04
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:is still conducting genocide. And is still murdering people abroad, and employing child slaves, and destabilizing governments. Ah, I see the disconnect here. You're looking for this thread. Happy to have helped, see ya!
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Sep 28, 2021 15:05
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Muscle Tracer posted:Ah, I see the disconnect here. You're looking for this thread. Happy to have helped, see ya! oh I'm aware of it. I'm here to ruin your day
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Sep 28, 2021 15:05
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Mad Hamish posted:Glad to see casual denial of the currently-happening Xinjiang genocide here in the less-insane side of SA political discussion. Writing stuff like this and not quoting the post you’re talking about should be an instant ban imo You can believe that the genocide is happening and still not want Cold War 2, especially if you realize that the countries that will actually suffer from all this hysteria aren’t the US or China. Like what the gently caress is war criminal John Bolton doing on CBC!?
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Sep 28, 2021 15:14
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I enjoy when Canadians turn their Huawei rage internally and blame the perfidious Chinese for nortels massive failings Also massive thanks to the AB doctor poster Albino Squirrel...the province is failing you but many of us appreciate everything you do. That was a great post above on this page.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:16
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Starks posted:Writing stuff like this and not quoting the post you’re talking about should be an instant ban imo If John Bolton's lips are moving, it's generally good practice to be deeply skeptical of everything coming out of his mouth, regardless of how it aligns with your personal opinions. That guy has a long and storied history you can very easily look up if you care even a little bit. When he starts talking it's because there's an outcome in mind, and it's not difficult to figure out what that is. The CBC giving him airtime is disappointing, but not surprising. infernal machines fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Sep 28, 2021 15:17
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John Bolton has as much right to have his voice heard as The Baron Black of Crossharbour does None Cast them both into the ocean along with the car batteries.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:19
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If a genocide happens in a forest and nobody can hear it because its in Canada, was it China? There's enough genocide dirt to talk about with Canada's treatment of Natives without having to drag China into it, lets stick to Canada guys. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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Sep 28, 2021 15:20
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CommieGIR posted:If a genocide happens in a forest and nobody can hear it because its in Canada, was it China?  I had shut up about China pages ago, and will fully admit that I fell for provocation but am happy to shut up again if thread does too
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Sep 28, 2021 15:22
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infernal machines posted:If John Bolton's lips are moving, it's generally good practice to be deeply skeptical of everything coming out of his mouth, regardless of how it aligns with your personal opinions. That guy has a long and storied history you can very easily look up if you care even a little bit. When he starts talking it's because there's an outcome in mind, and it's not difficult to figure out what that is. John Bolton is like if Henry Kissinger retired and either sold off or franchised out his warmongering business
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Sep 28, 2021 15:24
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Trying desperately to get Canadians to have modicum of self awareness as we trundle along into the next phase of confrontation, as the aggressor. I fully agree with poster, talking about Xinjiang concentration camps (which we aren't even really sure is bad literally fuckig John Bolton the war criminal says it's bad so we should be skeptical about it being bad) would only encourage the bourgeoise and white privilege. And is frankly racist since it does not take into account China's unique culture and historical context. We should instead refocus on "hardline" critic of Fascist-Super state of Canada since every minute where you are writing a post about China is a minute you aren't spending attacking Canadian super fascism.
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Sep 28, 2021 15:26
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Trying desperately to get Canadians to have modicum of self awareness as we trundle along into the next phase of confrontation, as the aggressor. 
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Sep 28, 2021 15:29
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Sep 28, 2021 16:06
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Why is there a loving genocide denier in here
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