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Wasabi the J posted:Also didn't BnS get shot as well? Different incident several months ago. A chud carrying a handgun was near a crowd he was in, he ran up and tried to disarm the chud, who fired a shot and grazed BnS.
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Zhulik posted:domestic gladio has come for cspam at last
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I've been volunteering myself for patdown since they introduced backscatter. Have not once been scanned before flying. I don't mind it, the TSA agent gently grazes your balls and then you head inside for some overpriced white wine and roasted brussels sprouts. Not a bad morning.
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GWBBQ posted:Are you aware that you posted this on the Something Awful Forums and not Fetlife? lol
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GWBBQ posted:Are you aware that you posted this on the Something Awful Forums and not Fetlife? Fetlife has an epstein thread???
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Zhulik posted:domestic gladio has come for cspam at last
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starting a "crusty nutsack is a Fed" conspiracy theory
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Perry Mason Jar posted:We are talking about mutations. Non-zero transmission means mutations occur. We do vaccinate animals and we have a hard time with respiratory viruses in animals precisely because it is extremely difficult to vaccinate against them, they are constantly having to churn out new anti-virals and breeding vaccine-resistant virus all the while. But we are not just concerned with livestock. And the vanishingly small proportion of animals we can capture and release does not at all represent the population of wildlife that are vectors for the virus. Why did you ask if we would vaccinate animals if you already knew we did? Please try to argue in good faith.
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How did the media find out he was an SA poster?
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Gorman Thomas posted:How did the media find out he was an SA poster? andy ngo lurks
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Gorman Thomas posted:How did the media find out he was an SA poster? Kiwifarms and 4chan are products of Something Awful.
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hot date tonight! posted:Why did you ask if we would vaccinate animals if you already knew we did? Please try to argue in good faith. Concern trolling is very odious, I hope you know, it's worse than outright cruelty. Asking a question you know the answer to - such that your interlocutor is themselves drawn to the conclusion of the argument you're presenting, as only one answer, "no", is possible - is of course a pretty bog standard rhetorical trick (called the rhetorical question - have you heard of it?) which I've never in my life seen referred to as bad faith (because it simply is not). Concern trolling definitely is though, especially since you're so obviously employing it now because you know the strength of my argument is beyond yours. So now your framing is "knew we did" although obviously what I'm saying is it's irrelevant if we can and no we don't vaccinate wild animals (to any degree that matters, certainly not for the R values we're concerned with here) and no we don't vaccinate livestock so effectively that mutations do not occur. So you are also misrepresenting the strength of your argument by omission. Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 12:30 on Sep 29, 2021 |
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Could someone threadban PMJ already, it's tiresome. The fact he's still here is a damning commentary on Crusty Nutsack's regime.
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How about, no, Scott. Okay?
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what's the Havana Syndrome death count so far? zero? you'd think they'd know that they need to murk some folks if they want to get the invasion they want find some volunteers already, drat
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Wasabi the J posted:Kiwifarms and 4chan are products of Something Awful. australia is a product of britain
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nut posted:wow this mfer comes in posts the article i posted yesterday Was this one posted? Same author, about a year ago:  quote:The Canadian Forces wants to establish a new organization that will use propaganda and other techniques to try to influence the attitudes, beliefs and behaviours of Canadians, according to documents obtained by this newspaper. "don't worry we're definitely not going to do the thing we got caught planning to do and there definitely isn't a significant faction inside our military that has literally zero qualms about any of this!" From the more recent article: quote:There is an ongoing debate inside national defence headquarters in Ottawa about the use of information operations techniques. Some public affairs officers, intelligence specialists and senior planners want to expand the scope of such methods in Canada to allow them to better control and shape government information that the public receives. Others inside headquarters worry that such operations could lead to abuses, including having military staff intentionally mislead the Canadian public or taking measures to target opposition MPs or those who criticize government or military policy.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Concern trolling is very odious, I hope you know, it's worse than outright cruelty. Get vaccinated.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Concern trolling is very odious, I hope you know, it's worse than outright cruelty. Your conclusion is not inevitable, there are other possible answers. As you say, you are using a rhetorical trick to present the situation as if there is only one answer. It is deceitful. Animal vaccination of livestock has been wildly successful by every measureable metric. Vaccination of wild animals is not only possible but it has been done on a much larger scale than you seem to believe. Canine rabies has been completely eliminated from wild dog/coyote/wolf populations in the US through widespread vaccination programs to present one example. Vaccination of animals is only one part of many methods used to control zoonotic diseases and it does not need to be 100% successful to be a success. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Your premise here is that mutations will prevent zero covid from being possible. That's probably true but you are using that to lead us to a false dichotomy. A choice between lifting all restrictions and accepting death or keeping permanent restrictions and accepting tyranny. It isn't that simple.
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Yet no one has provided me with a middle path between your "false dichotomy" - gradenko said yes endless masking, various said yes permanent lockdown, others said permanent testing and sequestration, others said permanent mandates. Kindly show me the middle. You were always very free to take my rhetorical question and treat it as though it weren't and provide a refutation as you did just now, I don't at all accept that it is bad faith argumentation I'm sorry.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:The CIA don't call in hung over, they call in for Havana syndrome instead Havananother beer yeah
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Yet no one has provided me with a middle path between your "false dichotomy" - gradenko said yes endless masking, various said yes permanent lockdown, others said permanent testing and sequestration, others said permanent mandates. Kindly show me the middle. What I said was that you only need to wear masks (and do social distancing etc.) for so long as there are still cases, and it is possible to drive cases down to zero with enough effort and stringent observation of policy Taiwan reported 8 cases on Sep-27. They have 149 active cases right now Yes, you're going to need to enforce strict customs and immigration control, possibly forever if we assume that the rest of the world never cleans up their act... but forcing everyone who ever comes into your country to undergo a COVID test and a 14-day quarantine with absolutely no exceptions is, I would argue, a relatively low(er) price to pay than having the entire rest of the population, that doesn't interact with border-control, wear masks
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gradenko_2000 posted:What I said was that you only need to wear masks (and do social distancing etc.) for so long as there are still cases, and it is possible to drive cases down to zero with enough effort and stringent observation of policy You gave Delta as reason for the failure of vaccination, lockdown, masking policy, et al. to prevent the current wave of infection. So then I guess you are saying now that we can eliminate variants by these same measures which failed to prevent a variant from emerging and becoming deadly/infectious (using your framing here, not my own)? I have no idea what possibly has you believing that any of these measures would be temporary. The Patriot Act was also meant to be, no? Only doing the War on Terror til we get Osama, yes? Yes these foreclosures on liberties are always "temporary" but they never are. Why in God's name would you hand, gleefully, a security/police state over to the ruling class on their assurances that it's only passing and in your best interests? This has never happened in our lifetimes. The ruling class has never let go of any power they obtained, not a shred, nor have they ever done anything which is in the best interests of the working class. Why do you believe them now? And everyone continues to avoid how any of this is justified by a 1.6% CFR predominantly killing the 80+ population. To spare this vanishingly small proportion of people, occurring mostly in people already knocking on death's door, you will allow all the damage these restrictions cause: the evictions, the unemployment, the shuttered small businesses, the mental illness in children and teens, just for starters (small slice).
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Stevie Lee posted:what's the Havana Syndrome death count so far? zero? you'd think they'd know that they need to murk some folks if they want to get the invasion they want so I was reading into Havana Syndrome, because its awesome. and some people are claiming 1 death and 1 permanent disability from a case in 1996, where russian mind beams gave 2 NSA bug finders parkinson's disease. the NSA publicly admitted it as part of some worker's comp lawsuit. like this is obviously mass delusion at this point rather than a particular plot. maybe there was a plot, just to get the cuban embassy closed or similar. but its out of control now. a bunch of paranoid nerds who think they're super cool and are trained to check for a car bomb before every time they open a car door, have started hearing rumors of a russian mind beam that causes symptoms just like stress and depression? wow maybe im getting mind beamed at work too...and the next time i get a cluster headache im reporting in for my russian mind beam checkup.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:The CIA don't call in hung over, they call in for Havana syndrome instead im a cisgender millennial diagnosed with generalized Havana syndrome im cia
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Perry Mason Jar posted:You gave Delta as reason for the failure of vaccination, lockdown, masking policy, et al. to prevent the current wave of infection. So then I guess you are saying now that we can eliminate variants by these same measures which failed to prevent a variant from emerging and becoming deadly/infectious (using your framing here, not my own)? Delta emerged because the Indian government allowed COVID to spread across their population largely unchecked. Delta managed to gain a foothold in other countries because they didn't enforce strict immigration/quarantine protocols. Delta managed to spread in the US because they didn't enforce strict masking, strict social distancing, mass testing, quarantines, etc. Indeed, the CDC actively dismantled the public momentum for masking and social distancing by assigning a degree of protection conferred by vaccines that didn't exist and was irresponsible to assert as being true. In comparison, Taiwan actually did experience a surge in COVID cases in May 2021, largely because they had relaxed their quarantine protocols for incoming airline pilots. They squashed that outbreak, reimplemented a higher standard of control, and drove cases back into double-digit numbers by the end of July. I do think that there are measures which can stop COVID, can stop the Delta variant, can stop further mutations from emerging and taking hold in populations. That there are countries that are experiencing outbreaks of COVID, and are seeing variants emerge, is because there are countries that don't take those measures. Like, there are entire cities in China right now that don't require people to wear masks in public. Do I think that the things required to get to that point requires a level of intervention that would reach your standard of what constitutes "totalitarianism"? I suppose so. Were those measures rolled back once it was no longer necessary? Yes, they were. Do I think it's reasonable to assume that Western governments wouldn't be capable of similar restraint? Yes. Perry Mason Jar posted:And everyone continues to avoid how any of this is justified by a 1.6% CFR predominantly killing the 80+ population. To spare this vanishingly small proportion of people, occurring mostly in people already knocking on death's door, you will allow all the damage these restrictions cause: the evictions, the unemployment, the shuttered small businesses, the mental illness in children and teens, just for starters (small slice). 1. Death is not the only undesirable long-term outcome of catching COVID. A significant decrease in mental acuity from a bad infection would reduce me to destitution over the long-term. I do not wish to catch it at all, even as someone who has gotten the vaccine. 2. The evictions and the unemployment are a byproduct of the government implementing a lockdown in physical terms, and then refusing to take the steps necessary to make the lockdown sustainable in financial terms. That's not an argument for refusing to do any more lockdowns, that's an argument for demanding that lockdowns be implemented correctly, i.e. paying people to stay home. 3. Insofar as giving credence to the argument that lockdowns cause mental illness in young people, a restoration of socialization and public activity means needing to crush cases to zero. That's not an argument for removing the restriction while there's still a pathogen circulating in the general public. If you are concerned over the ill effects of people staying home for 18+ months at a time, the proper response would be consider that it should have only been for three months in 2020, tops, had things been done properly.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Yet no one has provided me with a middle path between your "false dichotomy" - gradenko said yes endless masking, various said yes permanent lockdown, others said permanent testing and sequestration, others said permanent mandates. Kindly show me the middle. This sucks, but there's no simple answer. This is a worldwide problem and every country needs to figure out what works best for it's population as they all have unique challenges. Restrictions have not proven to be permanent in most of the world, targetting restrictions as needed and then lifting them again has been extremely common pretty much everywhere.
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Spergin Morlock posted:this is not the covid thread! this is the thread for all anomalous health incidents
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like havana syndrome is the funniest to me, because on threads of evidence thinner than UFOs, or the grassy knoll, or Hitler made it to SA, the entire media and blob establishment has wholeheartedly endorsed *RUSSIAN MIND BEAMS* even when there's no evidence its the russians, no evidence of brain changes, no evidence of even any loving beams. at least the UFO people have videos. so its this dissertation worthy case study in the collapse of epistemology in America. but if we actually dive into the boring specifics it remains just as insane and interesting: * Is it a pure mass psychogenic illness? * was maybe the 90's case real enough (maybe poisoning instead of mind beams or w/e), and provided the initial contagion for the mass psychogenic illness? * is it something the NSA or friends are doing and HS is an acceptable side effect with some amount of mass psychogenic illness compounding things? * did the russians already successfully execute our entire foreign service and intelligence community with a decades slow death and they haven't realized it yet? i used to hedge towards NSA-caused a few cases, mass psychogenic illness took care of the rest. but the evidence for 100% mass psychogenic illness is strong. but then again, this 90's case is interesting, and fits much more to the pattern of what a "realistic" russian mind beam would be like. unlike the recent cases, the 90's case went: * NSA agents staying in a soviet controlled motel * NSA agents finding highly sophisticated soviet bugs in the American Embassy * The American Embassy is known to have had microwave triggered bugs in it * The agents get told "they hosed up" by one of their russian translators * The agents go back to their motel room and immediately start feeling sick, dizzy, nauseous, still spend the night there. * They leave in the morning, spending all night in the theoretical beam, symptoms start to reduce once they leave * Years later they both get very early onset parkinson's within a year or two of each other * NSA admits they got hurt on the job as part of a lawsuit the modern cases are like "someone was dizzy in a room, they got outside got fresh air and felt better...mind beams??" or "so X had heard about the scary mind beams and was worried about them, then got a headache and freaked out it was the mind beams"
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Perry Mason Jar posted:You gave Delta as reason for the failure of vaccination, lockdown, masking policy, et al. to prevent the current wave of infection. So then I guess you are saying now that we can eliminate variants by these same measures which failed to prevent a variant from emerging and becoming deadly/infectious (using your framing here, not my own)? Get vaxxed, wear a mask and shut the gently caress up.
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I'm growing weary and, worse, bored so please excuse me gradenko and HDT but I won't be replying to your responses. This is not to say that I agree or concede or otherwise do not have a refutation but just that I don't feel like it today. I'm only making this post to acknowledge you both, explain why I'm not responding, and thank you for engaging with me directly rather than with non-sequitur, mockery, or laughter. Cheers. I'll probably still post in this thread today but just about something else instead.
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I'm growing weary and, worse, bored so please excuse me gradenko and HDT but I won't be replying to your responses. This is not to say that I agree or concede or otherwise do not have a refutation but just that I don't feel like it today. I'm only making this post to acknowledge you both, explain why I'm not responding, and thank you for engaging with me directly rather than with non-sequitur, mockery, or laughter. Cheers. I'll probably still post in this thread today but just about something else instead. That's fine. I wish you well.
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