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Per AOS vs 40K: You can take my approach and say, “gently caress my wallet, I’ll do both!” AOS is a little easier rules-wise. 3rd edition just started so there are lots of boxes you can buy. It’s still a complex game but I would argue significantly less granular than 40K. Honestly I really enjoy the granularity of 40K but I completely understand why it turns some people away. I like having something really stupidly intricate to process during, idk, a ridiculously stressful pandemic. I think AOS has better models overall, and it is generally easier to field a “viable” force. However, I do think that with 40K, there on average is a greater ceiling for generalmanship and I tend to see greater varieties of competitive lists. Honestly, I would just pick whatever army looks the coolest to you and build it like there is no tomorrow. It doesn’t matter how good the rules are if you’re building something you don’t like.
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Yeah, do that. I'm just about finished with the Kruleboyz from Dominion and I'm eager to get more models - I haven't even put any paint on the Stormcasts. Should I take it as a good sign that so many stockists are out of the Sloggoth and basic Gutrippaz (meaning they're not a complete failure like people said about Dominion for not instantly selling out)?
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huh, especially considering that they're not valid for matched play I'm surprised that warscroll battalions are still a thing in the new books.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:huh, especially considering that they're not valid for matched play I'm surprised that warscroll battalions are still a thing in the new books. I mean, it takes basically no effort to whip a couple new ones up and copy previous ones over. And now that they don't have to care about matched play, they don't even need to spend whatever couple of minutes they used to "balancing" them.
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Khorne Wrath Axe complete, with requisite Slaughterpriest.
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I have discovered, now I have my books, that the AoS app can’t handle the new subfactions not having command traits. It refused to validate my Kruleboyz and Ironjawz lists because their command traits weren’t Big Yellerz and Bloodtoofz ones. Because those don’t exist.
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Mors Rattus posted:I have discovered, now I have my books, that the AoS app can’t handle the new subfactions not having command traits. It refused to validate my Kruleboyz and Ironjawz lists because their command traits weren’t Big Yellerz and Bloodtoofz ones. Already reported it and maybe they'll fix it soon, they have been updating the app every two o three days.
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I took my Mega-Gargants to the Hammerfest GT in Houston last weekend and went 4-0-1 in the 73-person event. I got Best Destruction and Best General. The differential-based tournament scoring (my round 1 win was sloppy) and softscores put me out of the Best Overall podium but it was still a very good result and a great time. My round 5 game was against Archaon Tzeentch and its the game I drew. It was a nailbiter where I was ahead the entire game until Archaon finally tabled me round 5 and I missed my 3vp for my Grand Strategy as a result, pushing us to an exact 28-28 score. The final game at the top of round 1, where I decided to pin-in his army (at least until he could summon some screamers to fly away and cap objectives):  my army: 
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Danimo posted:I took my Mega-Gargants to the Hammerfest GT in Houston last weekend and went 4-0-1 in the 73-person event. I got Best Destruction and Best General. The differential-based tournament scoring (my round 1 win was sloppy) and softscores put me out of the Best Overall podium but it was still a very good result and a great time. Very cool! That is a great performance. Beautiful army, too.
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Geisladisk posted:Very cool! That is a great performance. Beautiful army, too.
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Infantry swarm or gently caress off imo (they rule great work)
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/29/side-with-the-seraphon-and-reclaim-an-adepta-sororitas-sanctuary-in-white-dwarf-469/ Next issue of White Dwarf is going to have rules updates for the Lizard Wizards.
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Sep 29, 2021 12:14
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I'm Almost passive they've used that at for a cover within the last two years.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I'm Almost passive they've used that at for a cover within the last two years. It’s the cover of the original Seraphon codex.
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Rules query: Stormcast Eternals have a relic that lets you reroll saves against weapons with damage 2 or higher. How does that interact with weapons that do, for example, D3 or D6 damage? I think it wouldn't apply since you could just get one damage, and damage rolls come after saving rolls in the order of operations. Am I misreading that?
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You aren’t misreading it, it’s just not clearly stated anywhere how to handle the random damage values. Needs a FAQ answer. Most of the time people just play it as d3 > 1, d6 > 1.
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How many casters does a Skaven want? I'm looking at the final stages of my army and it's a biggun. Leaders: Clawlord Warlock Bombadier Thanquol on Boneripper Army: Clanrats(60) Clanrats(40) Stormvermin(20) Stormfiends(3) Artillery: Warp Lightning Cannon(1) I've been told I don't have enough casters, but is 2 not enough?
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For Thanquol points wouldn't you be able to fit in grey seer+grey seer on bell? That should cover your casting needs
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Covermeinsunshine posted:For Thanquol points wouldn't you be able to fit in grey seer+grey seer on bell? That should cover your casting needs yeah. I guess I'll save TQ for the 3k point game
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If I wanted to get into AoS, out of the Seraphons, Overlords or Ogors, which would be the easiest/cheapest to build a starting army for? And which of the three is the most forgiving for making misplays?
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Out of those three, Kharadron are definitely the least forgiving. They are kind of a techy army, based on maneuvering and shenanigans. Ogors would be the easiest to play, but that is entirely down to them having barely any options other than "run at enemy and hit them until they stop moving". Seraphon have a huge range of options, they have strong bashing infantry, lots of options for synergy and magic, and lots of monsters that you can smash into the enemy while making dinosaur noises like a happy toddler. They have also consistently been a strong army for the past few years. Seraphon also have two Start Collecting boxes that are pretty great value - One based on Skinks, the other on Saurus. If you start by buying a couple of copies of either one, you have the core of an army ready to go.
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Randalor posted:If I wanted to get into AoS, out of the Seraphons, Overlords or Ogors, which would be the easiest/cheapest to build a starting army for? And which of the three is the most forgiving for making misplays? Seraphon stuff is mostly online order only, so it's a hassle to actively collect.
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Randalor posted:If I wanted to get into AoS, out of the Seraphons, Overlords or Ogors, which would be the easiest/cheapest to build a starting army for? And which of the three is the most forgiving for making misplays? The nice thing about ogres is that the Start Collecting Beastclaw raiders is a pretty good deal, 3 of those and you have 2000 points. The mainline Ogre dudes haven't been updated since the initial Fantasy release so you can pick up pretty good deals on eBay. They also follow similar rules as Orcs where they are scrappers and the biggest rules the roost, which is nice for conversions or custom models.
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Randalor posted:If I wanted to get into AoS, out of the Seraphons, Overlords or Ogors, which would be the easiest/cheapest to build a starting army for? And which of the three is the most forgiving for making misplays? If you lean in on the Beastclaw side of Ogres, they're definitely one of the cheapest and easiest armies to build. You can make a perfectly viable army with two start collecting boxes and a couple of extra Frostlords.
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Team_q posted:The mainline Ogre dudes haven't been updated since the initial Fantasy release so you can pick up pretty good deals on eBay. Do you mean AoS or WFB? Because if it's WFB... that's both impressive and depressing to hear. Edit: And how do the Beastclaws play? Just "Charge into enemy, Rend, Slaughter, Devour your enemy"? Randalor fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Randalor posted:Do you mean AoS or WFB? Because if it's WFB... that's both impressive and depressing to hear. Beastclaw is all about highly mobile charges and proper use of prayer and magic support. Your units are fast, hit hard, deal MWs well and have a decent chunk of health, but you want good healing from your priests and buffs from a butcher or slaughtermaster to get the most out of them because you have a very low model count so every loss really hurts.
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Geisladisk posted:Out of those three, Kharadron are definitely the least forgiving. They are kind of a techy army, based on maneuvering and shenanigans. Ogors would be the easiest to play, but that is entirely down to them having barely any options other than "run at enemy and hit them until they stop moving". Seraphon have a huge range of options, they have strong bashing infantry, lots of options for synergy and magic, and lots of monsters that you can smash into the enemy while making dinosaur noises like a happy toddler. They have also consistently been a strong army for the past few years. After thinking it over (and skimming Goonhammer's entries on Ogors and Seraphon), I think I'll ultimately go with Seraphon. Being able to play Jurassic Park while Lord Kroak drops the sky on my enemies is just too amusing to pass up. If I picked up the Saurus box (because T-Rex), what should I look into picking up along side it (or should I just go 2x Saurus boxes and a wizard to start with)?
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2x gives you a solid set of troops, the t-rex, the skink on dino, an on foot skink hero and an on-foot saurus hero (using the two riders who you didn't put on mounts) - or more, if you're willing to get real creative with the leftover bits. However, you'll be stuck with a weird number of extras, because...well, GW sells in weird numbers. If you intend to roll a Saurus-heavy army, it's a good pick. And running Saurus is more viable these days, thanks to the smaller unit sizes and more cramped board making mass skinks less overwhelmingly good. e: But you still almost certainly want Kroak, who is just extremely good.
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Mors Rattus posted:2x gives you a solid set of troops, the t-rex, the skink on dino, an on foot skink hero and an on-foot saurus hero (using the two riders who you didn't put on mounts) - or more, if you're willing to get real creative with the leftover bits. However, you'll be stuck with a weird number of extras, because...well, GW sells in weird numbers. If you intend to roll a Saurus-heavy army, it's a good pick. And running Saurus is more viable these days, thanks to the smaller unit sizes and more cramped board making mass skinks less overwhelmingly good. I do have access to a resin printer, and I don't mind printing minis to "fill out" units, I just also want to support my FLGS/local GW so I actually have a place to play once in-store play is allowed again.
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Randalor posted:I do have access to a resin printer, and I don't mind printing minis to "fill out" units, I just also want to support my FLGS/local GW so I actually have a place to play once in-store play is allowed again. https://www.lustria-online.com/threads/getting-the-most-from-your-start-collecting-seraphon-box.20560/ This is how to get the absolute most work out of a single SC, then.
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That Troglodon conversion at the end is pretty genius
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Should I pick up the Seraphon battle tome, or just get the minis I like and wait for the 3rd edition battle tome?
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That's up to you - the rules are available pretty freely from the 2e tome, the app has them all, but you won't get the fluff, which is actually pretty fun.
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So there's no rumors about, say, the Seraphon 3rd ed battletome coming out in the next few monthes? *I say as I sideeye the 8th edition Adeptus Sororitas battle tome bought a month before the 9th edition battletome was announced*
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Seraphon are a fairly recent tome so they wont be up for a new one anytime soon.
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They're also getting a rules update in the next White Dwarf, which suggests to me that their battletome is definitely on the lower end of the priority scale. I'm pretty sure Nurgle is the next one up, maybe alongside Idoneth or one of the other real old tomes.
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The next White Dwarf has some updated rules for Seraphon, just like Sons of Behemat and Slaves to Darkness in the recent issues. And well, that's something that a lot of people are taking as a sign that their next battletomes are going to take a while to arrive: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/09/29/side-with-the-seraphon-and-reclaim-an-adepta-sororitas-sanctuary-in-white-dwarf-469/
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Good to know! I'll get one when I get the Saurus starter boxes. Work technically doesn't allow phones or tablets, but has no problem with me reading an actual book or magazines at work.
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Talas posted:The next White Dwarf has some updated rules for Seraphon, just like Sons of Behemat and Slaves to Darkness in the recent issues. And well, that's something that a lot of people are taking as a sign that their next battletomes are going to take a while to arrive: Only make sense since they were among the latest battle tomes. They probably want to focus on the armies that didn't get a 2nd Ed battle tome and a few other old tomes that need a refresh.
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