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Veotax
May 16, 2006


My first smart phone was some cheap rear end HTC Android phone that was slow as hell and a nightmare to use.
I ended up replacing it pretty quickly for something running Windows Phone I got off ebay and I loved the thing. Barely any apps, but it ran well and I could browse the Internet fine on it so I didn't care.

These days I alternate between iPhone and Android for some reason every time I get a new phone.

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Capt.Whorebags
Jan 10, 2005

Imagined posted:

The last time I hosed with trying to have a Linux desktop I would inevitably run into a situation where I had to add some non-standard repo to fulfill some program I found necessary's (usually something proprietary / closed-source) dependencies, which would inevitably lead at some point to having two or more programs that couldn't update because they had dependencies which clashed with each other. Despite Windows' many flaws, I've never been unable to install an update to one program because it's using a slightly different version of a shared library that another program uses.

DLL Hell was a real problem with Windows but seemed to be mostly sorted out by about Win2k. The Visual Basic runtime was particularly bad at this, with poor backwards compatibility so installing a new app, or patching it, would often break old apps.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy
The "early" days where you had to grant all permissions on install and not when the app actually needs them were the worst.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


barbecue at the folks posted:

It's a wonder that Android ever made it out of the dark times. Back then that poo poo was so hideously bad when compared to iOS or Windows Phone.

I think I still have a legit Android 1.0 tablet in a box of junk under the house. One of 500 I purchased to use for safety documentation on a mine site I worked.

It was trash back then, and lord knows how terrible it is now.

Neito
Feb 18, 2009

😌Finally, an avatar the describes my love of tech❤️‍💻, my love of anime💖🎎, and why I'll never see a real girl 🙆‍♀️naked😭.

Vavrek posted:

As someone inexperienced with Python:

isn't that valid Python? I would believe you if you told me "Yeah, sure, of course that's exactly what you write in Python, but the kid's assignment was in C."

The closest would be "if x%2==0", even in Python.

That said, Python is so full of weird little shortcuts like that, I did have to check then, and check again now, just to make sure.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Python does have some things like that like "if x is true" but I don't think you can just ask if a number is even.

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



In Python, 0 equates to false while any other number is true so you could also do "if x%2:" to return true if something is odd, at least.

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Tunicate
May 15, 2012

Unperson_47 posted:

In Python, 0 equates to false while any other number is true so you could also do "if x%2:" to return true if something is odd, at least.

odd, or not an integer

Gromit
Aug 15, 2000

I am an oppressed White Male, Asian women wont serve me! Save me Campbell Newman!!!!!!!

Gromit posted:

The "5 watt...water cooled...argon laser" would have been ours I think but I've got no idea if I was at that one or not.

I've no idea if anyone really cares, but I did a bit of searching and it looks like the laser was something like the Coherent Innova 70C-5 Multiline blue/green 5W system (https://content.coherent.com/legacy-assets/pdf/Innova-70C-Data-Sheet.pdf). It was definitely multiline, as we had a beam splitter that could send out separate blue and green lines. I've no idea what "multimode" means, so it could have been that one instead.

You'll note from the datasheet that the thing weighed 43kg, with the power supply a further 39kg (83kg and 67kg when in their flight cases!) It was a beast to move around, using 3-phase power and open-loop water-cooling.

e: Actually, I think it might have been a Spectra-Physics unit, but the listed stats above sound pretty similar to what I remember.

Gromit has a new favorite as of 01:02 on Sep 25, 2021

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Cojawfee posted:

Python does have some things like that like "if x is true" but I don't think you can just ask if a number is even.
IIRC, the is operator is not that magic - it's just "are these two things literally the same object".

This works with None and True and the like because they are singletons (objects that you can't have more than one of): When a is None, that doesn't mean a actually contains a unique thing that's evaluated as None (like NULL in C), it means a points to the one, true, read-only None object. Any and all things that are None are the same None, so to speak.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Computer viking posted:

Any and all things that are None are the same None, so to speak.

The dao that is none is not the true dao.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Weatherman posted:

The dao that is none is not the true dao.

The logic around comparisons to singletons and logical values really can get a bit ... metaphysical.

legooolas
Jul 30, 2004

SniperWoreConverse posted:

I remember a lot of "this is the year of the Linux desktop you guys finally micro $haft will get what's coming to them!" And it never happened. Linux never took off as a mainstream thing. It'd be pretty funny if it became mainstream by simply getting eaten by Windows like this.

In fact now that I think about it the desktop applications i used to use already have a windows fork, so in a way it's been over. I can't think of any programs that are desktop based.

I get the feeling they've done this for the cloud and server side of things rather than the desktop side though, as they know that that's where the money is in cloud hosting of services (mostly).

Mega Comrade posted:

... the biggest blocker for anyone picking up Linux. Either you stick with something out of the box with the default repos and then it's pretty great, but you tinker even slightly and you need to know what you're doing, there is no middle ground, so it's just not suitable for most people.
However the https://flatpak.org/ system might go a long way to solve this, at least with the issue of competing shared libraries.

Speaking as a software developer however, I work professionally on Windows and personally on Linux and the latter is miles better for that, having control over your environment reduces so many headaches with conflicting sdks etc. Docker however has come along and reduced this pain somewhat (although it's a bit behind on windows still)

Flatpak, snaps, containers (various sorts), every language has its own packaging system, etc etc.

Failed and obsolete : One packaging system to do everything. Now it feels like I need a packaging and dependency system to manage all the packaging systems.

(Although python are working on making their packaging work better with system-provided packages)

Absolutely agree on the development side of things (although I develop on and admin Linux desktop and server/VM hosts for people so I'm obviously biased, but almost all compute we run is on Linux servers) and whilst there are a zillion different desktop environments, you can at least mix and match whatever applications from them you want, and customise how everything looks and feels to an outrageous degree.

Also obsolete : doing any customisation rather than just using default settings.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Gaius Marius posted:

Security through obstufication, get your PC botted by every botnet possible so it's impossible to tell what's legitimate traffic

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Hmm a honeypot PC on the network... whilst everything else is hidden away on subnets.Smart!

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


barbecue at the folks posted:

It's a wonder that Android ever made it out of the dark times. Back then that poo poo was so hideously bad when compared to iOS or Windows Phone.
I think the Droid 2 convinced as many people to buy iPhones than Apple ads did.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
I think it's more like in The Walking Dead or whatever when they rub zombie guts all over themselves so the zombies can't smell them.

Origin
Feb 15, 2006

GWBBQ posted:

I think the Droid 2 convinced as many people to buy iPhones than Apple ads did.

I know the Droid X and Nexus 7 did that for me!

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
Speaking of mini-discs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDsP3Icu7sk

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010




I wish any portable device I owned had a UI as responsive as that thing seems to be.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
For something from 1999, that thing is snappy as hell.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM
That seems like some kind of crazy device from a better, cooler universe that accidentally leaked through.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant
Had a fun discussion with my boss about Win11 possibly being an upgrade clustwrfuck with the TPM2 thing they'll require.

Remember Vista? Vista, guys... remember?

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

FilthyImp posted:

Had a fun discussion with my boss about Win11 possibly being an upgrade clustwrfuck with the TPM2 thing they'll require.

Remember Vista? Vista, guys... remember?

What about vista? I remember UAC being a bit overzealous, but the OS wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. Do we know if Windows 11 actually requires you to use TPM or just to have the capability? Because for most recent motherboards, it's as simple as turning on a setting in the BIOS and you've got TPM2.0.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

FilthyImp posted:

Had a fun discussion with my boss about Win11 possibly being an upgrade clustwrfuck with the TPM2 thing they'll require.

Remember Vista? Vista, guys... remember?

I used Vista once (trying to set up a friend's wife's parents' home WLAN after the parents, the wife, and the friend had all failed) and it was genuinely bafflingly bad. I don't even remember what about it was bad, I just remember absolutely hating every second of using it.

(I also failed. There was something really fucky going on with the housing corporation -provided ADSL. I phoned a Computer Guy and even he was baffled by the results when he tried to help me trouble-shoot.)

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Cojawfee posted:

What about vista? I remember UAC being a bit overzealous, but the OS wasn't as bad as people made it out to be.
UAC and Signed Driver changes and people realizing the Win 98/XP poo poo they owned probably needed an upgrade.

AFAIK you need TPM2 to install 11. Haven't heard otherwise.

jammyozzy
Dec 7, 2006

Is that a challenge?
Vista had a rough launch with driver availability and out of the box UAC was a huge nag, but beyond that it was fine, I used it for a couple of years before 7 launched and had no problems.

Microsoft had to bite that bullet and force everyone to the new security/driver model at some point to avoid another XP situation, and Vista was that jumping point. 7 was pretty much Vista again with a fresh coat of paint and calmer UAC settings and people loved it.

Shai-Hulud
Jul 10, 2008

But it feels so right!
Lipstick Apathy
Right now you can force 11 on pretty much any machine and it will work fine. It will tell you that you might not get updates in the future but what exactly that means no one knows.

DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
a big problem with vista was that it was preloaded onto a lot of machines with half a gig of ram (often even less after the onboard graphics stole some) rather than the 2 that was the real minimum or 4 to make it really happy

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



That thing is amazing!

EDIT: OK so here we go:

In my 'I really don't have a problem but maybe I do' collection of The Matrix pretty much an example of the film on all released formats


(except VCD as my copy was apparently out of stock from the dodgy Thai warehouse that was sending it to me)

Humphreys has a new favorite as of 10:49 on Sep 29, 2021

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

FilthyImp posted:

UAC and Signed Driver changes and people realizing the Win 98/XP poo poo they owned probably needed an upgrade.

MS deliberately lowered the claimed minimum specs for Vista so that OEMs could dump their stock of lovely underpowered computers. So the kind of people who buy computers at supermarkets would get a single-core Celeron with 512MB and then blame Vista for it being an unusable pile of poo poo.

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS

Sweevo posted:

MS deliberately lowered the claimed minimum specs for Vista so that OEMs could dump their stock of lovely underpowered computers. So the kind of people who buy computers at supermarkets would get a single-core Celeron with 512MB and then blame Vista for it being an unusable pile of poo poo.

This, for sure. I was a beta tester for Vista and installed the final on a machine the first day it came out, and other than UAC being irritating(no, I didn’t turn it off), it ran great.

I did cherry-pick which components I used for the build(AMD GPU, no Sound Blaster) so drivers wouldn’t be an issue, and used a stout CPU/plenty of RAM, but the negative reputation was highly overrrated, especially after the driver issue was fixed. I even timed some encoding tasks compared to XP on the same machine, and Vista was faster than XP, probably due to better memory management.

The only real problem with Vista was a poo poo-ton of companies never released Vista-compatible drivers, especially expensive audio hardware. You could usually force XP drivers to sort of work on Vista, but not audio stuff - the changes to the audio subsystem were insurmountable without new drivers.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011

Humphreys posted:

In my 'I really don't have a problem but maybe I do' collection of The Matrix pretty much an example of the film on all released formats

I don't see the UMD-Video release there (a format that failed pretty hard right?)

Killingyouguy!
Sep 8, 2014

FilthyImp posted:

Had a fun discussion with my boss about Win11 possibly being an upgrade clustwrfuck with the TPM2 thing they'll require.

Remember Vista? Vista, guys... remember?

I still want to buy one of those original 'Microsoft Surface' coffee tables that ran a special flavour of Vista. I have absolutely no idea what I'd use it for, or where I'd put it in my tiny apartment, but goddammit, I want the stupid computer table and it's not like i have kids to feed

Creature
Mar 9, 2009

We've already seen a dead horse

Humphreys posted:

That thing is amazing!

EDIT: OK so here we go:

In my 'I really don't have a problem but maybe I do' collection of The Matrix pretty much an example of the film on all released formats


(except VCD as my copy was apparently out of stock from the dodgy Thai warehouse that was sending it to me)

Whoever decided to change the artwork for the UHD release is a moron.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Sweevo posted:

MS deliberately lowered the claimed minimum specs for Vista so that OEMs could dump their stock of lovely underpowered computers. So the kind of people who buy computers at supermarkets would get a single-core Celeron with 512MB and then blame Vista for it being an unusable pile of poo poo.

If MS themselves lowered the required specs on something they knew wouldn't run well on machines with those specs, then I think it can be argued that that Vista was rightfully blamed for being a piece of poo poo on that hardware.

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


ookiimarukochan posted:

I don't see the UMD-Video release there (a format that failed pretty hard right?)

It's the sideways one on the bottom

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light
You cannot escape the Mini-Disc!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HCCGYxCjbg

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Last Chance posted:

If MS themselves lowered the required specs on something they knew wouldn't run well on machines with those specs, then I think it can be argued that that Vista was rightfully blamed for being a piece of poo poo on that hardware.

They handwaved this away by putting "Vista Capable" stickers on the lovely machines with 512MB of RAM and called it a day. Yeah, the computer was capable of running Vista, but it wouldn't be pleasant. And like was said before, it was because OEMs were causing a big stink about needing to offload these machines, and Microsoft needs to keep them happy. I worked in a computer store at the time and a lot of our business was putting more RAM in computers people bought at Best Buy.

Vista itself wasn't bad, it was just bad computers and people bitching about new features. As evidenced by the "Windows Mojave" ad campaign where Microsoft showed off their "new" version of windows and people loved it, saying it was much better than Vista. Then Microsoft would say "this actually is Vista." It had some hiccups but it was mostly fine, and an important step on the journey to making a better OS.

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BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

I got Vista free because I was in school at the time, and I put it on a very above spec new build. Worked great and I didn't experience any of the bad stuff that people were saying. Given that 7 was so lauded but wasn't really all that different (aside from being sold on better machines), I guess it goes to show that MS really should have had stricter minimum requirements instead of trying to maximize sales by letting marginal machines scrape in.

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