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The War in Heaven is when the Warp took its current form but the chaos gods themselves didn't come into sharp focus until they settled upon the psychic potential of humanity.
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Bucnasti posted:Warhammer 40k is a pastiche of every 70's and 80's sci-fi/fantasy setting that was popular at the time. Dune was one of them, so was Star Wars, Star Trek, Judge Dread, Foundation, Lord of the Rings, Starship Troopers, cyberpunk and a host of other things.
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Kurzon posted:Exactly. WH40K is a mish-mash of whatever was trendy by dozens of writers, whereas Dune was an inspired setting that one author spent a lot of time carefully thinking through and consequently has a coherent vision and message. After WH40K got popular, later writers tried to turn it into something more coherent, but that's like doing cosmetic surgery on Frankenstein's monster. Wasn't your whole argument that 40K wasn't influenced by Dune?
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I have a quick question. Are the Watchers of the throne or the Vault of Terra series worth a read? Are they friendly to a reader who doesn't read a ton of the continuity heavy books (ie I prefer the books that stand on their own without needing to know exactly the details of what is happening in the broader setting beyond what a passing knowledge of the major players gives)? If it helps, I recently read the Infinite and the Divine and Brutal Kunnin and loved both and I am working my way through the Ciaphas Cain series, which I am greatly enjoying.
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Kurzon posted:It's a footnote because it's irrelevant to the themes of WH40K. Kurzon posted:The War in Heaven between the Necrontyr and the Old Ones happened even farther in the past, but that keeps getting referenced again and again because that event does tie in to the themes. The War in Heaven is when Chaos was born. "Chaos was born" isn't a theme, it's an event, and the War In Heaven is mentioned because it's literally the backstory of the Necrons and Eldar.
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Bertilak posted:I have a quick question. Are the Watchers of the throne or the Vault of Terra series worth a read? Are they friendly to a reader who doesn't read a ton of the continuity heavy books (ie I prefer the books that stand on their own without needing to know exactly the details of what is happening in the broader setting beyond what a passing knowledge of the major players gives)? If it helps, I recently read the Infinite and the Divine and Brutal Kunnin and loved both and I am working my way through the Ciaphas Cain series, which I am greatly enjoying. HARD YES. First Vaults of Terra is one of my favorite 40k novels, period.
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Bertilak posted:I have a quick question. Are the Watchers of the throne or the Vault of Terra series worth a read? Are they friendly to a reader who doesn't read a ton of the continuity heavy books (ie I prefer the books that stand on their own without needing to know exactly the details of what is happening in the broader setting beyond what a passing knowledge of the major players gives)? If it helps, I recently read the Infinite and the Divine and Brutal Kunnin and loved both and I am working my way through the Ciaphas Cain series, which I am greatly enjoying. Watchers and Vaults are easily the best BL I have read, and Chris Wraight I think is by far the best they have. E: i kinda didnt answer your question at all! I think the books stand perfectly on their own, not having an encyclopedic knowledge of 40k lore wont get in the way of enjoying the books or following the plot Also, War in Heaven: dumb, bad "Men of iron": cool, mysterious, good Biplane fucked around with this message at 21:48 on Sep 28, 2021 |
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OPAONI posted:What's the burn on the Imperium? quote:‘Yes, master,’ said Koloma, hoisting himself onto his stiff legs and putting a hand on his cart.
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Thank you for the replies, seems like I shall be making some purchases then! Have a pleasant week!
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the funniest part though is that Trayzn does indeed destroy the world, albeit indirectly
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Bertilak posted:Thank you for the replies, seems like I shall be making some purchases then! Have a pleasant week! 
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Biplane posted:Watchers and Vaults are easily the best BL I have read, and Chris Wraight I think is by far the best they have. The only issue I have with Watcher, and something that got stuck into my mind a bit after a friend mentioned it and I listened to the audiobook, is that the plot barely amounts to much and it's just a vehicle to explain why there's a Custodes army all of a sudden. That is not to say it does a bad job at it, far from it. It is however a bit weird that the central plot point is just there without much prompting.
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Ah, yeah that's a good burn. The only relevant bit I could remember was the Space Marines who saved the settlement centuries ago were actually Trazyn and the Necrons. The Infinite and The Divine posted:‘You see the windows?’ Trazyn pointed at the stained glass, radiating in the bright morning sun. ‘Each panel charts the history of Serenade.’ Trayzn's, "I only wonder..." is probably the funniest line in the book for me.
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Bucnasti posted:Wasn't your whole argument that 40K wasn't influenced by Dune?
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Well if I hadn't already decided to read Infinite and the Divine over Double Eagle, these excerpts would have convinced me.
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Another fundamental difference between Dune and Warhammer 40k is that, while 40k is absolutely dripping in Christian (particularly Catholic) Iconography, Dune is much more deeply rooted in Islamic imagery to the point that the Butlerian Jihad is foundational to the setting.
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One thing that 40K really ran with was the idea of recruiting people from death-worlds to be super soldiers. They're not posthuman killing machines in Dune, but the Sardaukar and the Fremen have echoes in numerous Imperial Guard regiments, as well as the Space Marine recruitment mindset.
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Arquinsiel posted:Alright, I'm buying that book ASAP. You should! It is genuinely one of the best pieces of 40k fiction available. The Necrons are more human, if you don't mind the term, than the humans of the far future.
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This would have been a great way to herald new Trazyn and Orikan models because if I'm being honest, the current ones are kind of meh.
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Kurzon posted:My argument is that it is only superficially influenced by Dune. Some guys think it's the core influence. Without Dune you really don't have a lot of iconic/core poo poo so yeah.
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AnEdgelord posted:Another fundamental difference between Dune and Warhammer 40k is that, while 40k is absolutely dripping in Christian (particularly Catholic) Iconography, Dune is much more deeply rooted in Islamic imagery to the point that the Butlerian Jihad is foundational to the setting. One cool part of Warhawk is we find out the origin of why the Imperium loves skull iconography so much. Also, two non-spoiler (but I'll still spoiler them) words to get you excited: Sigismund unleashed!
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euphronius posted:I’m read lexicanum and Titans and way too small. The smallest ones should be like 300’ tall and the biggest ones should be like a mile tall. Imagine that elevator ride to the top.
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Jesus, not even any new episodes on Warhammer tv this week? We got a preview of future Hammer and Bolter, which I don’t want spoiled so I won’t watch that, and a behind the scenes for Angels of Death, which I don’t care at all. Neat stuff.
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euphronius posted:I’m read lexicanum and Titans and way too small. The smallest ones should be like 300’ tall and the biggest ones should be like a mile tall. Eh...For one thing GW/BL has always been bad at scale. That being said, the sizes of Titans vary greatly depending on the source, it's something GW and BL authors have been very inconsistent with. An Imperator Titan is as big as 140 meters in some sources. That's about 40 stories. Think of a 40 story building. That's incredibly massive and I think does the idea of a Titan justice. The smallest ones though are way too small in all sources IMO. Edit: The Burj Khalifa is just a smidge over half a mile tall. Mile high Titans would be too ridiculous for even 40k. At that size they would be completely unkillable by anything other than other Titans or orbital bombardment. Titans are hard af to kill but there are still ways to do it short of those methods i.e. Shadowswords and the like. D-Pad fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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To be fair, Shadowswords do mount titan guns on them so that's reasonable.D-Pad posted:One cool part of Warhawk is we find out the origin of why the Imperium loves skull iconography so much.
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Oh boy Grey Knights XCOM...sign me up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erFug5CaCJw
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quote:Experience life in the 41st millennium and follow the journey of these elite warriors in a narrative penned by acclaimed Black Library author, Aaron Dembski-Bowden.
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Finished Warhawk. An absolute masterpiece. Easily the best book of the SoT so far. I'm not going to spoil anything since it's releasing in a day or so. This is the book where the dream of Unity dies and the modern 40k Imperium is born. It's incredibly cool and interesting to see how that happened and Wraight does it masterfully. One example I mentioned earlier is seeing just where the modern Imperium's skull fetish came from, but beyond that we see the attitudes and beliefs of the loyalists start to shift as things get a million times worse for them. We get a decent amount of POV from multiple Chaos characters and he really nails it. Particularly the Death Guard is still relatively new to what is happening to them and we get various viewpoints on how they feel about it. Sigismund is finally unleashed and we get to see his deeds that were described in old lore. There are some really big things that I don't think anybody at all will see coming. loving AAA+ book. Get it immediately when it releases on Saturday. Ego-bot posted:I wonder if every squad member gets psyker powers? Every Grey Knight is a psyker?
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D-Pad posted:Every Grey Knight is a psyker? Yes but only a few are ranked Librarians to have a full skill set of psychic powers in a game.
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D-Pad posted:Finished Warhawk. An absolute masterpiece. Easily the best book of the SoT so far. I'm not going to spoil anything since it's releasing in a day or so. Reading this, nerd-tears in my loving eyes as I think to myself "it won't be available in paperback for loving two years".
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dingo with a joint posted:Reading this, nerd-tears in my loving eyes as I think to myself "it won't be available in paperback for loving two years". Kindle books can be read on read.amazon.com if you're sincerely desperate.
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Looks like its another win for terrible loving eyesight.  Honestly I don't think I've read a physical book for 10 years at this point. Thank god for text resizing.
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D-Pad posted:Oh boy Grey Knights XCOM...sign me up: I have warm memories of the original Chaos Gate, though it was janky and buggy as gently caress. But it was heartfelt, interesting to play and really captured the feel of WH40k. And new I realized that it was over two decades ago, and I am sad.
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