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ConfusedUs posted:B5 Reboot: The avalanche has started. It's too late for the pebbles to vote. 
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I wonder what's going on in the b5 thread?... HOLY gently caress! I'll give it a shot but are they jumping right to Sheridan? Will that mean the first ep will be Morden going around asking what people want? That could actually be kinda cool if done right. First ep a brand new Sheridan gets aboard a chaotic station and some guy asks him what he wants after a helluva day. CW might not be as bad for this as one would think. I know it's a common meme but yeah they do Riverdale and did Vampire Diaries and the CW DC stuff but they also did the 100 and Supernatural. One of the few places it might get a change with minimal interference.LionArcher posted:David Tennet as a techno Mage. Having watched AHS for a while now.... Evan Peters as Morden. Guy can do friendly and disarming nice guy with a subtle creepy and switch to megalomaniacal puppet master to homicidal lunatic and everything in between. He could do it. Tennent doing a Techno Mage could be insanely good for a cameo and if he really likes the part and wants more? Legend of the Rangers/Crusade stuff later. It will be interesting to see how this cast pans out. Hardest and most integral casting will be Delenn, Vir, Londo and G'Kar. I would say those four are the sink or swim for this show. Even has someone who knew the Balkans quite well Delenn had this otherworldly quality, both young and old at the same time, endless strength with a childlike vulnerability. When she went through the cocoon she became more human but still retained some of that. She also needs to be able to have insane charisma in general and with Sheridan. Replacing her is harder than it feels at first. Londo needs to be close to middle aged if not middle aged (35+?) and someone who you love even when he gives in to horrible poo poo. G'Kar is the wheel. In the beginning he's got to be stubborn and unforgiving but not over the top. I guess an honourable villain but it will require a veteran actor to not only put up with a ton of makeup but somehow act through it. I liked G'Kar from the fist ep and it made every moment of the fall of Narn and his character's overall journey just hit so hard. His shoes are going to be hard to fill. pentyne posted:The episode with the Markabs essentially committing self-genocide because they refuse to believe the truth about a disease is over 25 years old and if they did it again today people would lose their poo poo on them for being "political" and it would be just glorious to watch unfold. Of all the things to change, remaking that episode and keeping to the original plot would be amazing. TK-42-1 posted:If nothing else I hope they keep the ‘Our last, best hope for peace… it failed.’ DUN DUN DAAAH DUN DUN DAAAH 
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Sep 29, 2021 18:56
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DogsInSpace! posted:CW might not be as bad for this as one would think. I know it's a common meme but yeah they do Riverdale and did Vampire Diaries and the CW DC stuff but they also did the 100 and Supernatural. One of the few places it might get a change with minimal interference. Technically, Babylon 5 started on the CW. PTEN became WB and UPN, which re-merged back into CW.
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Sep 29, 2021 19:14
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DogsInSpace! posted:Agreed. Don't change one thing. Gonna blow new watchers minds when they find out he wrote this over 30+ years before it aired as it feels so 2020 and beyond. "I don't watch TV. It's a cultural wasteland filled with inappropriate metaphors and an unrealistic portrayal of life created by the liberal media elite."
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Sep 29, 2021 19:20
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Another Morden options would be Xander Berkeley, if they're willing to have someone much older (Ed Wasser is younger than Berkeley, much more so when playing Morden).
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Sep 29, 2021 19:29
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DogsInSpace! posted:
Vir might be tough, dude has an amazing arc throughout the whole thing. You need somebody who can play really naive and hopeful at the beginning, and just a serious contender on the side of good by the end. The side plot where he has to deal with a dude bugging his food and Londo deciding that after he does he's ready to be an ambassador is one of the better bits in the series.
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Sep 29, 2021 19:45
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Honestly, a lot of people act for a living and have range - if anything, original B5 proved this.
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Sep 29, 2021 20:01
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I always thought delenn and Sheridan had the chemistry of a mossy stump tbh, though she did her best and sleeping in light was great. Sinclair was much more believable on the romance side.
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Sep 29, 2021 20:04
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I wonder if JMS is going to do the OG Delenn transition story from male Minbari to female Humbari or is it too  topic for this day and ageI'd say the core of the show is the 3 Ambassadors and 3 Station Senior staff. Other regulars, like ambassadorial attaches, Doctor and Telepath are more easily replaced and changed. I don't count Kosh, because he is more of a Deus ex Machina, than a character.
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Sep 29, 2021 20:06
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adhuin posted:I don't count Kosh, because he is more of a Deus ex Machina, than a character. Character progression is a 3 edged sword. Although even Kosh has some progression and learning.
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Sep 29, 2021 20:09
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The Shadow/Vorlon conflict seems like the thing that most has to change. That worked because it was never done before, but I don't think a second time with the same thing would be anywhere near as good.
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Sep 29, 2021 20:11
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Babylon 5: The One who Will Be Babylon 5: Blown Straight to Hell All Over Again
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Babylon Fife: The Pipes Of War
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Sep 29, 2021 20:33
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B5: zathras (zathras)
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Sep 29, 2021 20:54
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Babylon 5: Oh no, it’s happening again!
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Sep 29, 2021 20:59
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sebmojo posted:B5: zathras (zathras)
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Sep 29, 2021 21:00
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Babylon 5: No reboot today. Reboot tomorrow. There's always a reboot tomorrow.
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Sep 29, 2021 21:02
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Chevy Slyme posted:Babylon 5: Oh no, it’s happening again! Babylon 5: Midnight on the Fire Walk with Me
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Sep 29, 2021 21:06
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Babylon: Deep Space Five Also I would like Marc Alaimo to play Dukhat
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Sep 29, 2021 21:28
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Babylon 5: No Cute Kids, No Cute Robots. Teens maybe?
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Sep 29, 2021 21:31
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Honestly, a lot of people act for a living and have range - if anything, original B5 proved this. It's this. How many well known actors were on the main cast of B5? Boxleitner was probably the best known of the lot, and even he wasn't a superstar or anything. For that matter, how many big stars are on any CW show? I mean come up with casts made up of Dr. Who actors or movie stars or whomever if you enjoy doing so, but the reality is it'll probably be people from other TV shows or complete unknowns with maybe one or two people who qualify as "oh hey, I know that guy/gal!" You know, just like it was last time. 
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ultrafilter posted:The Shadow/Vorlon conflict seems like the thing that most has to change. That worked because it was never done before, but I don't think a second time with the same thing would be anywhere near as good. I'm a turbo-dummy because despite going over it again and again, the transition of the Shadow war cycle to "actually it's a big sham proxy war between the Shadows and the Vorlons" still feels clunky as heck to me.
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Sep 29, 2021 21:45
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adhuin posted:Babylon 5: No Cute Kids, No Cute Robots. Teens maybe? Honestly, they don't have to be named characters or even speaking roles, but having some kids occasionally running around would make Babylon 5 feel more like a city in space.
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Sep 29, 2021 21:49
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sebmojo posted:I always thought delenn and Sheridan had the chemistry of a mossy stump tbh, though she did her best and sleeping in light was great. Sinclair was much more believable on the romance side. I like Delenn as a character, but the love-story arc was a bit flat. Except when they played it up for laughs ("yoo-hoo?"), but that just undercuts it more. But Sheridan's 100% the American everyman Joe just trying to do right, god damnit, and you get the Hell out of his galaxy, etc., so he's inherently more of a one-dimensional character than the interesting ones like Londo and G'kar, who actually either change or they don't, but it's an internal conflict either way. Or, well, external too, poor G'kar. But the point is, Sheridan, to me, always feels like the same hero archetype, who has things done to him at times, but his motivations as a character don't change all that much. Even though he fights a civil war, it's against a regime that is portrayed as literally infiltrated by aliens who want people to Do Bad Things. All that said, Sheridan's kind of this empty canvas that you can't really project an exciting love story on. He's just... There, being all good-guy'y, and I like what he does, but that is just the blandest dude to have a love affair.
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Sep 29, 2021 21:58
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Babylon 5: would you call this show unrebootable?
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Rappaport posted:Even though he fights a civil war, it's against a regime that is portrayed as literally infiltrated by aliens who want people to Do Bad Things. Who facilitate people who want to do bad things to do bad things
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Sep 29, 2021 22:00
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Honestly, they don't have to be named characters or even speaking roles, but having some kids occasionally running around would make Babylon 5 feel more like a city in space. Having families really grounded DS9 in a way that B5 lacked. Robots could go either way.
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Sep 29, 2021 22:02
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Who facilitate people who want to do bad things to do bad things Well, right, the people who wanted to do Bad Things were already there and they got helped, arguably, by the aliens, all the while the aliens wanting to play everyone against everyone, it's just turtles, I mean bad persons, all the way down, really.
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Sep 29, 2021 22:03
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Absurd Alhazred posted:Having families really grounded DS9 in a way that B5 lacked. Well there was a kid in Believers Also one or two in Confessions and Lamentations. Do you really want more kids to die?
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adhuin posted:Well there was a kid in Believers Would you believe that it's possible to have children/young adults as characters without them dying at the end of the episode?
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I realize a lot of people in entertainment (and everywhere else, too) say things they later go back on. It's the nature of show business (and politics, and...). That said, as I ponder about the reboot I couldn't help but think about JMS's words when Andreas Katsulas died:quote:Just over a year ago, Andreas Katsulas--who loved smoking with a passion that cannot be described--was diagnosed with lung cancer, which by then had already spread to other areas. He quit smoking at once and went on a healthy diet and vitamin program, but there was little hope of a good resolution even though the new regimen was very good for him. When we spoke about it, he laughed, and said, "Now that I'm dying I've never felt better!" I remember that day, and how sad I was I'd never get to meet the guy who brought my favorite character to life. And I agreed with the bolded portion - G'Kar was Andreas's, and nobody else could (or should) ever try to embody that character. My feelings haven't changed on that front. So personally, I'd rather see Ambassador Na'Toth. Have a no-holds-barred cage match between Julie Caitlin Brown and Mary Kay Adams for the role, may the best Narn win. Or pick another name for the ambassador. Just don't name him/her/them G'Kar. And yeah, you could probably make a similar call for Vir, Zack, Zathras...gently caress, it's depressing how many of the original cast are gone. And I realize it's also hilarious I'm advocating for G'Kar to be replaced by a character that was shared by two actors. But somehow G'Kar feels different. Anyhow thanks for coming to my emo blog. I look forward with equal parts excitement and trepidation to the reboot. Whenever it starts airing, I'll be simul-watching with my old college roommates. B5 had a big impact on us back then, and we still send each other little Vir waves for Vorlonisms from time to time. It's going to be a lot harder to coordinate now that we live on opposite ends of the country, but we'll manage.
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Rappaport posted:I like Delenn as a character, but the love-story arc was a bit flat. Except when they played it up for laughs ("yoo-hoo?"), but that just undercuts it more. But Sheridan's 100% the American everyman Joe just trying to do right, god damnit, and you get the Hell out of his galaxy, etc., so he's inherently more of a one-dimensional character than the interesting ones like Londo and G'kar, who actually either change or they don't, but it's an internal conflict either way. Or, well, external too, poor G'kar. But the point is, Sheridan, to me, always feels like the same hero archetype, who has things done to him at times, but his motivations as a character don't change all that much. Even though he fights a civil war, it's against a regime that is portrayed as literally infiltrated by aliens who want people to Do Bad Things. All that said, Sheridan's kind of this empty canvas that you can't really project an exciting love story on. He's just... There, being all good-guy'y, and I like what he does, but that is just the blandest dude to have a love affair. yep, that's really well put, I agree completely. he's got a little nuance as the hero (after they've saved the entire galaxy and got the girl, what next?) but it's a fundamentally slightly flat character - and that's ok. just wish there'd been some sizzle in the romance because the story was written on that basis?
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Polaron posted:Technically, Babylon 5 started on the CW. PTEN became WB and UPN, which re-merged back into CW. I did not know any of that. I always figured it was just on a cable channel like Crave or Space and just leave it at that. I keep forgetting the 90s TV was radically different. I don't really remember much of the 90s aside from coming back from school to watch Batman Beyond, Power Rangers and Reboot. I want to say it was Shaw. Any of you old goons know what channel it was broadcast in Canada, the UK and the like? seaborgium posted:Vir might be tough, dude has an amazing arc throughout the whole thing. You need somebody who can play really naive and hopeful at the beginning, and just a serious contender on the side of good by the end. The side plot where he has to deal with a dude bugging his food and Londo deciding that after he does he's ready to be an ambassador is one of the better bits in the series. Speaking of Assistants.... I'm torn about wanting more NaToth or keeping her out. I know the real life stuff but always felt like early G'Kar was a loner and kept people away until he was forced to change. Maybe that was just my own mental continuity. Also wondering if they redo the ships a little. I wouldn't mind keeping some of the spirit of them while updating. I loved the look of the Narn ships and wouldn't mind seeing more of them. sebmojo posted:I always thought delenn and Sheridan had the chemistry of a mossy stump tbh, though she did her best and sleeping in light was great. Sinclair was much more believable on the romance side. I already gushed about my love for Sinclair and yeah... I liked his romance. A bit sad they aren't going to have a new Sinclair but I get it. I'm guessing he will still pop up as the mysteriously missing former Commander of B5. Just hope they give him some proper gravitas and tragedy. Nice thing about all of this is they could easily have the surviving OG cast for cameos. Claudia Christian better be there. President Lushenko maybe? I don't care but she better get a cameo as she seems like a sweet lady. I like General Haig for Sheridan. Mumy could be a ton of things but Peter Jurasik needs to be an older Centauri as I miss that accent and performance. As much as I like Jeffrey Combs for Bester he could also just cameo as the Inquisitor. I almost hate to say that as one can never have enough Jeffrey Combs and I'd be sad to only see him once. If we are talking about lesser know or semi retired character actors I vote for Brad Dourif and/or his daughter Fiona. Just for anything. Wow.... really excited about new B5 verse. Just hope they get to do Crusade too as I really enjoyed the limited amount we got.
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DogsInSpace! posted:Also wondering if they redo the ships a little. I wouldn't mind keeping some of the spirit of them while updating. I loved the look of the Narn ships and wouldn't mind seeing more of them. As long as they don't touch the Omega.
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DogsInSpace! posted:Any of you old goons know what channel it was broadcast in Canada, the UK and the like? Channel 4 in the UK.
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DogsInSpace! posted:Any of you old goons know what channel it was broadcast in Canada, the UK and the like? In the UK it was broadcast on C4, so named because it was our fourth terrestrial channel. C4 pleased JMS mightily by treating the show as a valued property, not cutting scenes to make ad breaks fit or showing it out of order. Because of this, he deliberately wrote a couple of scenes into the show where C&C receive a message on Channel 4 so the station could use them for idents. So you already knew - you just didn't know you knew.
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jng2058 posted:It's this. How many well known actors were on the main cast of B5? Boxleitner was probably the best known of the lot, and even he wasn't a superstar or anything. For that matter, how many big stars are on any CW show? I mean come up with casts made up of Dr. Who actors or movie stars or whomever if you enjoy doing so, but the reality is it'll probably be people from other TV shows or complete unknowns with maybe one or two people who qualify as "oh hey, I know that guy/gal!" At the time, Boxlietner was a huge TV name after having just come out of Scarecrow and Mrs King and being married to Melissa Gilbert, America’s sweet little girl. He was at least as famous, if not more so than Pearce Brosnan at the time (who was in a similar and popular show - Remington Steel - which I personally liked more than Scarecrow). Everyone knew him for family type shows, so it was like casting Michael Keaton as Batman. Made everyone go WTF but ended up being absolutely perfect. Everyone knew who Boxlietner was. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I'm a turbo-dummy because despite going over it again and again, the transition of the Shadow war cycle to "actually it's a big sham proxy war between the Shadows and the Vorlons" still feels clunky as heck to me. Well, that’s really only a third of it. The other parts were that they had been loving around with all the younger races genes but were themselves younger than a lot of other Old Ones, and the whole Order vs. Chaos / Obedience vs Free Will bit. All of those parts individually are not ground breaking, but when you put them all together and then fool the viewing audience for THREE GODDAMN YEARS into believing something else was going on, it was a master stroke. Binge watching them now cannot convey how much of a  moment it was at the time.
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Doctor Zero posted:Well, that’s really only a third of it. The other parts were that they had been loving around with all the younger races genes but were themselves younger than a lot of other Old Ones, and the whole Order vs. Chaos / Obedience vs Free Will bit. All of those parts individually are not ground breaking, but when you put them all together and then fool the viewing audience for THREE GODDAMN YEARS into believing something else was going on, it was a master stroke. The thing you really have to understand to get how big a deal that was is that JMS, having cut his teeth on Murder, She Wrote, wanted the viewing audience to be able to figure out what's coming next. During the original run when we all had to wait weeks or months between episodes, there was a lot of community analysis that did hit on a lot of the major beats. But it always felt like something was missing, and then at the end of season 3 you had that revelation that simultaneously made everything we'd seen so far make sense, and also really changed what the landscape looked like. We all thought the Vorlons were good guys (although there were some questions), and to find out that they were actually an overwhelmingly powerful enemy was huge.
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