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The two original telepaths would be perfect taking over the Bester role, it's not really a cameo but it's not main cast either.
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bartolimu posted:I realize a lot of people in entertainment (and everywhere else, too) say things they later go back on. It's the nature of show business (and politics, and...). That said, as I ponder about the reboot I couldn't help but think about JMS's words when Andreas Katsulas died: I don't know what the plans will be for the names, but I'm certain we're not getting the same characters. JMS will certainly play with the old story and our expectations, though. For example, the Psi Corps sleeper agent on the station is almost certainly not going to be the character it was in the show. I expect to see the characters respun, and they'll evolve and develop differently based on whoever ends up getting cast. I am 100% convinced JMS will do more with the secondary ambassadorial characters, sooner, especially if the funding is such that they can pay to have them in more episodes. That's going to make for the biggest change with the Narn ambassador. I also suspect he'll prioritize hiring new people over reusing the old cast.
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Part of what made the overarching plot of Babylon 5 work is that JMS was willing to be flexible along with his grand plans, I feel like between old age and people actually having an idea of what shows with planned-out plots look like, there's going to be less shakeups, so I dunno how it'll turn out then. I imagine he'll mix up the new plot more, but I can't say for sure or how much if he does. There have sort of been TV show remakes before, but I don't think there's ever been one like this where the original had a planned-out plot, and the top guy involved in the original is involved in the remake. I guess it sort of happens in children's shows, but there they have the advantage of primarily playing to a mostly new audience, and even then all the ones I can think of purposefully shake things up a lot just to not do the same thing. Maybe there's something more like that in anime?
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TK-42-1 posted:has anyone said Babylon 5: Reboot and Zooty yet I think we have a winner
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If nothing else, this will give us a do over on Season 5, hopefully with 100% less Byron.
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Fighting Trousers posted:If nothing else, this will give us a do over on Season 5, hopefully with 100% less Byron. byron really could have been fine with 20% less byron, 100% more lyta and 50% better writing.
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Jedit posted:In the UK it was broadcast on C4, so named because it was our fourth terrestrial channel. C4 pleased JMS mightily by treating the show as a valued property, not cutting scenes to make ad breaks fit or showing it out of order. Because of this, he deliberately wrote a couple of scenes into the show where C&C receive a message on Channel 4 so the station could use them for idents. So you already knew - you just didn't know you knew. Yeah - it’s just a shame that they screwed up their handling of Season 5 (and especially the final 5 episodes...)
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I feel like I've reached the Cool Zone of the series I'm now on Season 3 Episode 16. A Whole bunch of poo poo has happened. Some of it pretty dire. Its good though.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:The Real Babylon 5 The Real World: Babylon 5 Zathras in confession room posted:Zathras sick and tired of Zathras leaving mess in bathroom. Have one bathroom on floor. Have FOUR Zathras. You do math. Zathras have asked Zathras to clean up after self, oh yes. And Zathras has asked Zathras to clean up after self, too. Even *Zathras* has asked Zathras to clean up after self - and everyone on station knows Zathras is huge slob! Is shameful. Tsk tsk tsk. I tell Zathras, "What affect one Zathras, affect all Zathras." I open bathroom door. Hair *everywhere*. So shameful.
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ultrafilter posted:The Shadow/Vorlon conflict seems like the thing that most has to change. That worked because it was never done before, but I don't think a second time with the same thing would be anywhere near as good. It's the most unashamedly 90's aspect of the show: in the end there was never any real ~conflict~, just differences of opinion! We can all get along!  Not sure that works in a post-Trump era. Grand Fromage posted:As long as they don't touch the Omega. You misspelled "Hyperion."  Habibi posted:The Real World: Babylon 5 Slimer's 8 and the Real Babylon 5
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:It's the most unashamedly 90's aspect of the show: in the end there was never any real ~conflict~, just differences of opinion! We can all get along! Reading the Earth Alliance as a USA analog is a facile and overly simplistic reading, built primarily upon the viewers insistence upon constraining themselves to such notions as "A Linear Understanding of Time" here in our own world. The Vorlons are the USA; The Shadows are the Soviet Union. The brave rebels aboard Babylon Five, upon realizing that they have been used as pawns in this larger ideological conflict, chose to lash out at both oppressors. Sadly, there was no White Star Fleet to ride in to support the brave soldiers who did so. The Vorlons won the war. Everything that has happened will happen again.
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Chevy Slyme posted:Reading the Earth Alliance as a USA analog is a facile and overly simplistic reading, built primarily upon the viewers insistence upon constraining themselves to such notions as "A Linear Understanding of Time" here in our own world. No no no...in my interpretation The Vorlons are the British and the Shadows are the Prussians which makes Babylon 5 the Paris Commune? 
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:No no no...in my interpretation The Vorlons are the British and the Shadows are the Prussians which makes Babylon 5 the Paris Commune? This completely ignores the great sacrifice of the bold alliance martyr who was so brave, he sought to fly a spacecraft right into the heart of the great citadel of one of the ancient powers! He gave his life for the cause. The parallels are so strong, why does nobody see them?
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“The name of the place, is Babylon” There are no coincidences. Open your mind.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:It's the most unashamedly 90's aspect of the show: in the end there was never any real ~conflict~, just differences of opinion! We can all get along! Every conflict boils down to a difference of opinion. They're still killing eachother over it. Even willing to get all of the "lesser" races killed over it. The whole order v. chaos thing is weird and abstract philosophy, maybe a little spiritual or philosophical, but when you start imagining broader things like what ancient races far more advanced than humanity would be doing messing around with civilizations on humanity's level instead of just hanging out in their own corner of space, you have to go outside the box. There's been a million stories of alien attacks or colonization, the whole premise of the Shadow War was to think of something beyond just that. The Centauri, Narn, Minbari, and Humans are the ones screwing around with the smaller scale wars over territory or control. The Vorlons and Shadows want control over their souls. Although I do feel like the way the thing was resolved was a bit haphazard, and I think there are some indications that a lot was changed from whatever the exact original plan for the Shadow War was.
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TK-42-1 posted:has anyone said Babylon 5: Reboot and Zooty yet laaaaaaameeeeeee
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‘Babylon 5…000!’ The original redone as if 90s network executives had made it more Xtreme - the station spinning ten times faster, etc.
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Fighting Trousers posted:If nothing else, this will give us a do over on Season 5, hopefully with 100% less Byron. If he gets a proper five season commitment from the outset, we can even see what his original idea for a complete fifth season would have been. Dammit, a Farscape continuation would have been perfect for the CW. it's basically a bunch of sexy, horny space criminals.
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:No no no...in my interpretation The Vorlons are the British and the Shadows are the Prussians which makes Babylon 5 the Paris Commune? So who is Morgan le Fay?
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Season 5 also had the problem of being a rush job after someone stole the original plans at a conNarsham posted:For example, the Psi Corps sleeper agent on the station is almost certainly not going to be the character it was in the show. That one was only in there because of the actor trapdoor, I'd be very surprised if anything beyond the broad strokes were the same.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Season 5 also had the problem of being a rush job after someone stole the original plans at a con The plan was always have a psi corps sleeper. It being Talia was a trapdoor change. The original original plan was that the psi corps plant would’ve been Takashima, from the pilot. There was probably another intermediate plan that got scrubbed when Andrea Thompson needed to quit, but I don’t think it was ever announced who that intermediate plan was. Chevy Slyme fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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SlothfulCobra posted:Although I do feel like the way the thing was resolved was a bit haphazard, and I think there are some indications that a lot was changed from whatever the exact original plan for the Shadow War was. The Shadow War and it's resolution is actually the least detailed part of JMS' original outline, and wasn't even meant to be resolved in the Babylon 5 series at all (the original outline was for two series spanning ten years, B5 was to end in a cliffhanger). There was nothing about how it would be resolved other than the final paragraph of the outline basically being "After a final great war, the Shadowmen are defeated, Earth is victorious against the Minbari, Delenn returns to the Grey Council, Sinclair lives out what's left of his life in peaceful exile while their son leads the new Interstellar Alliance"
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Chevy Slyme posted:The plan was always have a psi corps sleeper. It being Talia was a trapdoor change. I think what little has been mentioned of it from JMS is that Talia would have still had the sleeper personality but Kosh would've used the crystal he got from the conversation with Abbut back in Season 1 to reset her back to normal. I imagine that she would've then had something of a similar plotline to Lyta from there, being Kosh's attaché and so on. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 16:09 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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Jedit posted:So who is Morgan le Fay? Speaking of, I really liked how G'Kar goes full fanboy when he meets the guy who believes he's king Arthur.
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I know he worked at MGM and was big on the casting couch but has Douglas Netter done anything else worth checking out? His name is always in big letters at the end of the episodes, I figure he has good taste.
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Jedit posted:So who is Morgan le Fay? I like how Marcus is afraid of feminine sexuality. It's very on the nose for his character. "Gotta figure out who the hussy is and shame her."
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Jedit posted:So who is Morgan le Fay? Anna Sheridan.
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They should do the original idea for DeLen where she was suppose to be male then turn female. Would be really good and cool.
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Original delenn in the gathering was way scarier, I quite liked it. Takashima and the doctor were both super bad though, I'm glad they got axed.
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sebmojo posted:Original delenn in the gathering was way scarier, I quite liked it. Takashima and the doctor were both super bad though, I'm glad they got axed. I rather liked Johnny Sekka as Dr. Kyle, and I'd have been happy to see him continue, though I love what Biggs ended up doing with Franklin as well, so I don't mind how it turned out. Tomita was awful as Takashima, but somewhat better in the redone version of the pilot that showed up on TNT with the original voice track. Still, keeping her would have meant losing Ivanova, and season five proves that Babylon 5 without Susan Ivanova is just a pale shell of itself.
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Hollismason posted:They should do the original idea for DeLen where she was suppose to be male then turn female. Would be really good and cool. People on Twitter are very excited about trans Delenn and the positive portrayal of a positive interracial/interspecial trans relationship. It's also very of the moment.
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ultrafilter posted:The Shadow/Vorlon conflict seems like the thing that most has to change. That worked because it was never done before, but I don't think a second time with the same thing would be anywhere near as good. "Ancient aliens fighting wars? That's just Mass Effect," someone will post a few years from now without thinking about it for more than five seconds
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OnlyBans posted:People on Twitter are very excited about trans Delenn and the positive portrayal of a positive interracial/interspecial trans relationship. It's also very of the moment. For that matter, there's no reason that the JS character has to be male in the first place. You could go with Commander Jennifer Sherman (or whatever) and have Delenn go from female to male.
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jng2058 posted:For that matter, there's no reason that the JS character has to be male in the first place. You could go with Commander Jennifer Sherman (or whatever) and have Delenn go from female to male. Of course. I'd be shocked if a (Ted) Kennedy Democrat like JMS would go so far as to have a female lead but, hey, he could have continued to grow and evolve since B5. I guess it wouldn't be that shocking to find out that someone in the leftwing of democratic party in the '90s would continue that trajectory into the present.
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OnlyBans posted:Of course. I'd be shocked if a (Ted) Kennedy Democrat like JMS would go so far as to have a female lead but, hey, he could have continued to grow and evolve since B5. I guess it wouldn't be that shocking to find out that someone in the leftwing of democratic party in the '90s would continue that trajectory into the present. He DID write for Sense 8 after all....
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OnlyBans posted:Of course. I'd be shocked if a (Ted) Kennedy Democrat like JMS would go so far as to have a female lead but, hey, he could have continued to grow and evolve since B5. I guess it wouldn't be that shocking to find out that someone in the leftwing of democratic party in the '90s would continue that trajectory into the present. This is an odd take on jms. Have you seen sense8?
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jng2058 posted:I rather liked Johnny Sekka as Dr. Kyle, and I'd have been happy to see him continue, though I love what Biggs ended up doing with Franklin as well, so I don't mind how it turned out. Tomita was awful as Takashima, but somewhat better in the redone version of the pilot that showed up on TNT with the original voice track. Still, keeping her would have meant losing Ivanova, and season five proves that Babylon 5 without Susan Ivanova is just a pale shell of itself. They were both pretty bad, Takashima more so, but they also had moments. Maybe they just needed better direction or something. Tomita seemed like she just wasn't prepared (or maybe overprepared) and came off almost like she was bored or not really into it. Or maybe that was the best they could do, I don't know.
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Winifred Madgers posted:They were both pretty bad, Takashima more so, but they also had moments. Maybe they just needed better direction or something. Tomita seemed like she just wasn't prepared (or maybe overprepared) and came off almost like she was bored or not really into it. As I understand it Sekka was in poor health and that's ultimately why he didn't continue on the show, unlike Tomita who was flat out fired by the network.
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I loved Sense8. I just felt that a lot of the gender politics were driven by the Wachowskis. JMS writes powerful women well and is fundamentally fine with powerful women, I just think he is of a generation and viewpoint where him choosing to have a female lead would be surprising.
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