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StratGoatCom
Aug 6, 2019

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Halloween Jack posted:

That's actually very useful to describe some stuff I'm writing about, thank you.

There are strains of anarchism that might be able to beat the current system, but I have my doubts about how pleasant they may be to live under. Anarres-esque ultaconformism sounds pretty goddamn hellish to me.

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hot witch divorcee
Jan 4, 2021

is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me

StratGoatCom posted:

There are strains of anarchism that might be able to beat the current system, but I have my doubts about how pleasant they may be to live under. Anarres-esque ultaconformism sounds pretty goddamn hellish to me.

anarchists will simply cancel anyone who is problematic, and they will go away. this way we avoid problems, and authoritarianism

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

gradenko_2000 posted:

commie sailor moon is right

people are saying it more and more

https://www.theorientaldespot.com/article/antistalinism1

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

StratGoatCom posted:

There are strains of anarchism that might be able to beat the current system, but I have my doubts about how pleasant they may be to live under. Anarres-esque ultaconformism sounds pretty goddamn hellish to me.

i mean the point there was that anarres DIDN'T beat the existing system or even successfully disengage from it. they were still on the hook to provide shipments of moon rocks on the reg. it was a self-managed prison/mining colony

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

it was a self-managed prison/mining colony

pnac's paradise

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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my son has mild FASD and when he dysregulates he has trouble sleeping. allowing this pattern to continue would destroy his long term ability to regulate his own living patterns and behaviors.

oh wait this is anarchism sorry i thought we were talking about reality not what seems important to you when you're 15 and don't want your mom telling you what games you can play

eSporks
Jun 10, 2011

Anarchism: The freedom to sit as close to the TV as you want.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:


lol

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Work abolition lol

pnac attack
Jul 7, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

Doctor Jeep posted:

pnac's paradise

some dipshit i don't know is putting words in my mouth

finally made it to the big leagues :hehe:

pnac attack
Jul 7, 2021

by Fluffdaddy
is cherrypicking the very worst takes on twitter to dunk on actually meaningful in some way to you guys? i'm sure there's a a subreddit somewhere doing the same thing for whatever -ism you're flagwaving for, it's pretty masturbatory and kinda gross

croup coughfield
Apr 8, 2020
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the left is ineffectual and stupid so the only thing to do is make fun of other left morons

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

complaining that people are dunking on you is trying to exert influence over their behavior and is this authoritarian

im ashamed of you right now

pnac attack
Jul 7, 2021

by Fluffdaddy

croup coughfield posted:

the left is ineffectual and stupid so the only thing to do is make fun of other left morons

self-fulfilling prophecy imo

Azathoth posted:

complaining that people are dunking on you is trying to exert influence over their behavior and is this authoritarian

im ashamed of you right now

i was just reveling in my fame

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

pnac attack posted:

i was just reveling in my fame

asserting one's own fame reinforces one's fame and thus authority and so is an appeal to authority, which is also authoritarian

your true colors are showing

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

pnac attack posted:

is cherrypicking the very worst takes on twitter to dunk on actually meaningful in some way to you guys? i'm sure there's a a subreddit somewhere doing the same thing for whatever -ism you're flagwaving for, it's pretty masturbatory and kinda gross

what are your feelings on bedtime

pnac attack
Jul 7, 2021

by Fluffdaddy
only god can tuck me in

AbysmalPeptoBismol
Feb 5, 2016

Nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!

Posting is Praxis Authoritarian

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

pnac attack posted:

is cherrypicking the very worst takes on twitter to dunk on actually meaningful in some way to you guys? i'm sure there's a a subreddit somewhere doing the same thing for whatever -ism you're flagwaving for, it's pretty masturbatory and kinda gross

read lenin you dumb bitch

matti
Mar 31, 2019

lol

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

lmao

biceps crimes
Apr 12, 2008


monogamous relationships are authoritarian, illegitimate, autocratic, Stalinist, etc

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
whatever happened to that dsa chapter that was felled(?) by basically the entire leadership being a polycule that poo poo was hilarious

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?
are polycules authoritarian

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012



Huh. This is completely wrong I guess beyond the first line.

Impressive

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world
the first line is also wrong. socialism is a vehicle TOWARDS class abolition

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames

Ferrinus posted:

the first line is also wrong. socialism is a vehicle TOWARDS class abolition

no it means good world i think of how dare you loving tankie

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Ferrinus posted:

the first line is also wrong. socialism is a vehicle TOWARDS class abolition

it's their tacit admission that something mysterious might have to happen for their ideas to be relevant. something that helps the world through a painful step which in return allows humans to live the type of ethical life they and all people crave.

Yossarian-22
Oct 26, 2014

paul_soccer12 posted:

Work abolition lol

That and class abolition are the only good parts

paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

whatever happened to that dsa chapter that was felled(?) by basically the entire leadership being a polycule that poo poo was hilarious

That was every chapter. Also they were all cops

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King
why is it that when male nerds get into any position of “power” or authority later in life, no matter how slight, they always want to parlay it into getting new, and frequently inappropriate, types of pussy? it’s truly remarkable.

Stockwell
Mar 29, 2005
Ask me about personal watercraft.
We believe that the Anarchists are real enemies of Marxism. Accordingly, we also hold that a real struggle must be waged against real enemies.

Uncle Joe knows what's up

hot witch divorcee
Jan 4, 2021

is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me

pnac attack posted:

is cherrypicking the very worst takes on twitter to dunk on actually meaningful in some way to you guys? i'm sure there's a a subreddit somewhere doing the same thing for whatever -ism you're flagwaving for, it's pretty masturbatory and kinda gross

sweaty,

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Hodgepodge posted:

it's their tacit admission that something mysterious might have to happen for their ideas to be relevant. something that helps the world through a painful step which in return allows humans to live the type of ethical life they and all people crave.


Being called a tankie and a lib for saying "we can't just magically make a stateless moneyless society at this very moment" was very revealing.

Also revealed was how little care is given to the people in the global south since not a single thought was given in how do we raise the quality of life of billions to what an average American has without any form of central planning.

Ferrinus posted:

the first line is also wrong. socialism is a vehicle TOWARDS class abolition

sure. but it's at least correct in yes that's indeed what socialism is trying to do as opposed to things like work abolition which would only happen under communism has been built for a while.

Sedisp has issued a correction as of 04:53 on Oct 2, 2021

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018
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TenementFunster posted:

why is it that when male nerds get into any position of “power” or authority later in life, no matter how slight, they always want to parlay it into getting new, and frequently inappropriate, types of pussy? it’s truly remarkable.

Double the bread, double the head should be everyone's yearly goals imo.

TenementFunster
Feb 20, 2003

The Cooler King

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Double the bread, double the head should be everyone's yearly goals imo.
seeing the boy in person changed my life, expanding my horizons on how much head is truly possible. the tony robbins of guys who look like goblins irl.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

pnac attack posted:

is cherrypicking the very worst takes on twitter to dunk on actually meaningful in some way to you guys? i'm sure there's a a subreddit somewhere doing the same thing for whatever -ism you're flagwaving for, it's pretty masturbatory and kinda gross

I've read Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Malatesta

I post these lovely takes because it's an embarassing disservice to any kind of genuine anarchist ideology for people to be so wrong about the thing that they allegedly ascribe to

Hefty Leftist
Jun 26, 2011

"You know how vodka or whiskey are distilled multiple times to taste good? It's the same with shit. After being digested for the third time shit starts to taste reeeeeeaaaally yummy."


gradenko_2000 posted:

I've read Bakunin, Kropotkin, and Malatesta

I post these lovely takes because it's an embarassing disservice to any kind of genuine anarchist ideology for people to be so wrong about the thing that they allegedly ascribe to

what's with the sudden spread of Malatesta everywhere in anarchist circles? i browsed a few of his texts and it's pretty standard moralistic condemnation of authoritarianism etc. feels like in my country nobody knew who he was until about 6 months ago and now every anarchist is quoting him. i suppose before him they all jumped on Bookchin a few years ago. seems like every 5 years there's a new favourite theoretician anarchists huddle around in escapism to avoid actually confronting and facing the issues in their own society

Hefty Leftist has issued a correction as of 07:00 on Oct 2, 2021

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Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
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Hefty Leftist posted:

what's with the sudden spread of Malatesta everywhere in anarchist circles? i browsed a few of his texts and it's pretty standard moralistic condemnation of authoritarianism etc. feels like in my country nobody knew who he was until about 6 months ago and now every anarchist is quoting him. i suppose before him they all jumped on Bookchin a few years ago. seems like every 5 years there's a new favourite theoretician anarchists huddle around in escapism to avoid actually confronting and facing the issues in their own society

i dunno which country you're from, but in western/first world countries, there's a powerlessness that comes from realizing that all that power you supposedly have is a lie unless you're willing to use it in the worst of manners, and that there is currently little realistic predictable prospect of any sort of collective action for real change which is not subverted either smoothly (by rendering it fangless) or amorally (as agents provocateur and so forth), or simply crushed if need be.

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