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Retromancer
Aug 21, 2007

Every time I see Goatse, I think of Maureen. That's the last thing I saw. Before I blacked out. The sight of that man's anus.

Honest Thief posted:

New baki season out
I wonder if yujiro was deployed on iraq

Yujiro exists beyond state borders. The US knows that their military could never defeat him, he's basically allowed to exist as a stateless walking god. No one in Iraq would be a challenge for him to fight so there's no reason for him to ever go there.

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Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009

Retromancer posted:

Yujiro exists beyond state borders. The US knows that their military could never defeat him, he's basically allowed to exist as a stateless walking god. No one in Iraq would be a challenge for him to fight so there's no reason for him to ever go there.

But conveniently Yujiro enjoys the capitalist excess, he is imperialism
He is the iron dome

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

Honest Thief posted:

New baki season out

Thank christ.

It's the Che Guevara season btw.

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
I forgot how goofy the Beatles look like in Baki world

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
so I finally finished fate/zero and now I'm done with fate (watched ubw and heavens feel)

man, a lot of highs and lows. mostly lows though. First seasons of fate zero and ubw suck, because they feel super padded. second seasons both of them are better, although I feel like ubw is carried by it's "twist" which is pretty cool. just way too much chaff too wheat imo. I'm surprised they're so beloved in general. my wife and I both hate saber, can't believe she's one of the #1 waifus in anime history. Fate zero wasn't great because it had so many characters and I really only cared for rider and his master and kiritsigu. the rest of them were pretty boring/stupid.

Heaven's feel movies are super awesome, and you should probably watch unlimited blade works before (the first season is boring so feel free to just fast forward the boring parts). skip fate zero unless you really love the concept.

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
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elaboration has issued a correction as of 23:40 on Oct 22, 2023

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

thats the order the visual novel goes in so that definitely makes sense. fate zero only makes sense and has way more impact after fsn/ubw/hf imo

well thats what everyone says, but I do feel like the ending of zero (which was probably the best part) loses a lot of it's punch because of what you know happens. also all the kirei stuff fell totally flat to me. I think it gives a lot of background info that isnt really available in stay night. either order is ok, but tbh, of all 3 of them heavens feel is the only one I'd say is great. ubw was ok/good, and zero was just ok

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020

Mirello posted:

well thats what everyone says, but I do feel like the ending of zero (which was probably the best part) loses a lot of it's punch because of what you know happens. also all the kirei stuff fell totally flat to me. I think it gives a lot of background info that isnt really available in stay night. either order is ok, but tbh, of all 3 of them heavens feel is the only one I'd say is great. ubw was ok/good, and zero was just ok

imo the vn does an incredibly good job tying the themes of FSN & UBW together through HF despite being 3 mostly separate narratives, i was really surprised in a good way

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

imo the vn does an incredibly good job tying the themes of FSN & UBW together through HF despite being 3 mostly separate narratives, i was really surprised in a good way

i looked into playing them, and then I learned that originally you give mana to your servents by loving them and theres a bunch of scenes where all the MCs gently caress basically for the fans (with extremely hilarious writing) after that I decided I prob wouldn't play the games, lol.

yeah the way that they skipped adapting the "original" path is pretty odd, but I feel like ubw and Heavens feel work well enough together that it's not too important. also as a saber hater I don't really care about skipping her path.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
lol, coward

(also, the recent versions of the game are all ages)

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
yeah they replaced the banging scenes with scenes that still have like, a psychosexual bent but theyre not sex anymore, and actually relatively interesting, actually tasteful, and make sense within the plot. the author of the vns has absolutely never had sex considering the writing that used to be in those scenes tho lmao

also its very funny because the sex slash 'mana transfer' scenes didn't occur until a solid 15 hours in each respective storyline. they really did only exist to sell copies at comiket

Truga posted:

lol, coward

(also, the recent versions of the game are all ages)

heaven's feel is definitely not a route that could be 'all ages' even with the outright sex removed from it, it has some pretty harsh (but well written) themes

elaboration has issued a correction as of 11:35 on Oct 1, 2021

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
argh, you know what i meant. it's pegi12 now or whatever

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
oh, totally. its just such a brutal story

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 202 days!
i've seen some people suggest that the author of Fate was totally uninterested in the hentai aspect and made sure this was obvious

as i understand it, a lot of artists have to do hentai poo poo in their stuff just to get established in japan. i can't imagine stomaching the compromises this involves when you consider what that market wants.

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
the intersection of wanting to make art & the realities of capitalism/profit motive always sucks rear end

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Hodgepodge posted:

i've seen some people suggest that the author of Fate was totally uninterested in the hentai aspect and made sure this was obvious

It was the style at the time.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

Fate would be more interesting if it returned to its roots and had hentai in it.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Fate would be more interesting if it returned to its roots and had hentai in it.

Morally superior to going gacha.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

genericnick posted:

Morally superior to going gacha.

The hentai will also be gacha.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Fate would be more interesting if it returned to its roots and had hentai in it.

tbf, the amount of fgo porn is staggering, it's just not included in the game lol

plus, it's not gacha that way which is even better, don't even have to play the game to get the best parts :v:

net work error
Feb 26, 2011

Sonny Boy just finished if you want something to watch that is spectacular but incomprehensible but great and big on vibes.

Hodgepodge
Jan 29, 2006
Probation
Can't post for 202 days!

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The hentai will also be gacha.

i'm not sure how it would work, but i am suddenly irrationally convinced that this is the Mark of the Beast

Reik
Mar 8, 2004

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Fate would be more interesting if it returned to its roots and had hentai in it.

They should just make the thunderbolt fantasy/fate grand order april fools crossover real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gaC4jDvRTw

TheMightyBoops
Nov 1, 2016

So I just received the Welcome to the NHK novel and on the title page it says Volume 1; I though this was a single novel? I can’t find anywhere online there being a volume 2?

christmas boots
Oct 15, 2012

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With all of my 😡anger I scream🤬 and shout📢
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Biscuit Hider

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

imo the vn does an incredibly good job tying the themes of FSN & UBW together through HF despite being 3 mostly separate narratives, i was really surprised in a good way

Yeah, people rag on Fate a lot and it definitely is the weakest of the three but IMO it works really well as a foundation for the other two to build on.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The hentai will also be gacha.

I am tired of rolling feet. I'm going to buy some mana and get a loving boob.

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Mirello posted:

so I finally finished fate/zero and now I'm done with fate (watched ubw and heavens feel)

man, a lot of highs and lows. mostly lows though. First seasons of fate zero and ubw suck, because they feel super padded. second seasons both of them are better, although I feel like ubw is carried by it's "twist" which is pretty cool. just way too much chaff too wheat imo. I'm surprised they're so beloved in general. my wife and I both hate saber, can't believe she's one of the #1 waifus in anime history. Fate zero wasn't great because it had so many characters and I really only cared for rider and his master and kiritsigu. the rest of them were pretty boring/stupid.

People like Saber because Nasu did a really good job giving her this incredible amount of pathos. Everyone knows the Arthurian legends already, and then Nasu just said “hey what if Arthur was actually a girl? What if the whole legend wasn’t about a manly man and his manly sword bros doing knight poo poo but was actually one young girl suddenly having to assume responsibility for an entire country? What if this made her impossibly lonely because no one else around her could know her secret and because living true to her own ideals made it impossible for her flawed subjects to ever relate to her? What if she carried herself with calm, cool poise but was struggling inside because she actually was just immature?” People eat that kind of character dynamic right up.

Saber’s not my favorite but I’d find it really hard to hate her. I also still love the kings’ drinking chat episode in Fate/Zero. Iskandar and Gilgamesh dunking on Saber for being a bad leader because she was so focused on being flawless while they also admired her for her commitment to her ideals was great. Those two are massive hams but the contrast between their attitude and her own quiet dignity captures the entire essence of the Arthurian tragedy

Also agreed on Iskandar and Waver Velvet being two of the best things about Fate/Zero. Every moment they were on screen was a highlight

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
There's a spin-off with Waver investigating magic crimes, it's pretty cool.

Also in FGO Saber mostly show sup to be a horrible parent to Mordred, it owns.

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
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MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

Judge Dredd Scott posted:

yeah the case files anime is based on an LN series (and specifically like the 4th one, which is why it seems like it picks up in the middle) and it really does function as a sequel/late wrap up of Fate Zero. i get why they went for it

I was kinda sad they decided to pick up in the middle because I liked the first arc in the manga adaptation which is a huis-clos mystery in a mansion created by a wizard super into angel mysticism.

gimme the GOD DAMN candy
Jul 1, 2007
the waver mysteries aren't actually mysteries, and the story acknowledges this. when everyone involved is a wizard crimes are obviously done via magic. so the usual trappings of detective stories like alibis and methods are completely irrelevant. thus, the el-melloi case files are mostly about sexy adult waver going on and on about esoteric trivia until the case is solved for some reason or another. sometimes this involves the most meta saberface of all having a fight scene.

elaboration
Feb 21, 2020
i hope one day they have iskandar fight bill clinton like hes always wanted to

(sorry its the dub)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zrP_rfxc_s

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012

Mirello posted:

. my wife and I both hate saber, can't believe she's one of the #1 waifus in anime history.

Because gen urobichi is a misogynist and a hack and didn't understand sabers character.

Pitch
Jun 16, 2005

しらんけど

TheMightyBoops posted:

I did not know last time I watched it that Welcome to the NHK was based on a novel, needless to say I’ll be reading that whenever
eBay brings it to me.
I bought it the last time someone mentioned it here and I liked it, but it really feels like an abridged version of the manga. Obviously it's the opposite, the manga is padded out from the novel, but they're a lot more similar to each other than the anime. I haven't watched the anime or read the manga recently though so maybe it's a dumb comparison. But it's weird having seen the other versions that the entire arc of them making a video game was originally just one chapter long and lasted a week or two. There's also a few other points that I think were trimmed out of the adaptations for being just too hosed up.

Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Kit Walker posted:

People like Saber because Nasu did a really good job giving her this incredible amount of pathos. Everyone knows the Arthurian legends already, and then Nasu just said “hey what if Arthur was actually a girl? What if the whole legend wasn’t about a manly man and his manly sword bros doing knight poo poo but was actually one young girl suddenly having to assume responsibility for an entire country? What if this made her impossibly lonely because no one else around her could know her secret and because living true to her own ideals made it impossible for her flawed subjects to ever relate to her? What if she carried herself with calm, cool poise but was struggling inside because she actually was just immature?” People eat that kind of character dynamic right up.

Saber’s not my favorite but I’d find it really hard to hate her. I also still love the kings’ drinking chat episode in Fate/Zero. Iskandar and Gilgamesh dunking on Saber for being a bad leader because she was so focused on being flawless while they also admired her for her commitment to her ideals was great. Those two are massive hams but the contrast between their attitude and her own quiet dignity captures the entire essence of the Arthurian tragedy

Also agreed on Iskandar and Waver Velvet being two of the best things about Fate/Zero. Every moment they were on screen was a highlight

lol I'm gonna sound like a caveman but the reason we didnt really like her is because shes one of those characters that everyone (in show) talks up as really strong but doesnt really accomplish much. maybe its only in the fate route that she does, but its just pretty annoying to have her so hyped as "the most powerful servent" and then be pretty useless. the coolest she was was in heavens feel as evil saber, but I don't think that really counts. in zero and ubw she was pretty weak.

also the drinking chat did rule, but thats mostly because I think gilgamesh and alexander are cool characters. I wish it did kindve go more down the nietzchean morality differences between classical and modern good and evil.

while I'm talking about useless characters, rins dad (and mom) also sucked. like rins dad literally doesnt do anything for the whole war. then the mom gets hurt in an extremely stupid way. kiraya was prob the most wasted potential character in zero, just constant agony for no reason.

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

Mirello posted:

lol I'm gonna sound like a caveman but the reason we didnt really like her is because shes one of those characters that everyone (in show) talks up as really strong but doesnt really accomplish much. maybe its only in the fate route that she does, but its just pretty annoying to have her so hyped as "the most powerful servent" and then be pretty useless. the coolest she was was in heavens feel as evil saber, but I don't think that really counts. in zero and ubw she was pretty weak.

also the drinking chat did rule, but thats mostly because I think gilgamesh and alexander are cool characters. I wish it did kindve go more down the nietzchean morality differences between classical and modern good and evil.

while I'm talking about useless characters, rins dad (and mom) also sucked. like rins dad literally doesnt do anything for the whole war. then the mom gets hurt in an extremely stupid way. kiraya was prob the most wasted potential character in zero, just constant agony for no reason.

Hey now, all of those characters are really important to the narrative. Rin’s dad is there to show you that wizards are mostly smug lovely cowards and he’s exactly the type of guy Kiritsugu would hunt down in like five seconds if it wasn’t for the Holy Grail war. Kariya was there to remind you that the Matou clan, in particular Zouken, are some of the most hosed up people in existence. Kariya is pretty much the “we trained him wrong, as a joke!” gif as a character. He’s wasted potential because that’s what he’s supposed to be. Zouken knew he never actually stood a real chance and mostly just used the grail war as an excuse to torture the guy

As for Saber…well, for narrative reasons it makes sense to have her handicapped most of the time so that there’s any real tension. In Zero she can’t use her strongest ability for most of it because of Lancer, in Fate and UBW she’s limited by Shirou’s almost nonexistent mana, except for when she’s contracted to Rin, and in HF when she gets taken over by Sakura she’s basically a fully powered murder machine. If she ever seems weak it’s because she’s either being held back or because she’s up against Gilgamesh who has the entire weight of all human legends in all of history backing him up

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
rin is definitely the best fate, but saber is super good too imo :v:

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018
Women are wonderful animals, they should be making music and writing novels about having a complex relationship with your mother.
They're doing a Kickstarter for a bluray release of the Dirty Pair TV series! With a new English dub. Which seems like an odd choice, I would've thought a Venn diagram of Dirty Pair fans and people who prefer to watch dubbed anime would be two circles ten feet apart. But either way, Dirty Pair on bluray.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 21 days!)

The new season of Baki is so loving incredible. Maybe the most leftist an anime has been in ages. "J. Guevara" holds "George Bosch's" family hostage to guarantee the independence of his socialist island nation from America, and then beats up crooked prison guards. Even knowing he's gonna lose, it's loving incredible to see in an anime.

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Mirello
Jan 29, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Kit Walker posted:

Hey now, all of those characters are really important to the narrative. Rin’s dad is there to show you that wizards are mostly smug lovely cowards and he’s exactly the type of guy Kiritsugu would hunt down in like five seconds if it wasn’t for the Holy Grail war. Kariya was there to remind you that the Matou clan, in particular Zouken, are some of the most hosed up people in existence. Kariya is pretty much the “we trained him wrong, as a joke!” gif as a character. He’s wasted potential because that’s what he’s supposed to be. Zouken knew he never actually stood a real chance and mostly just used the grail war as an excuse to torture the guy

As for Saber…well, for narrative reasons it makes sense to have her handicapped most of the time so that there’s any real tension. In Zero she can’t use her strongest ability for most of it because of Lancer, in Fate and UBW she’s limited by Shirou’s almost nonexistent mana, except for when she’s contracted to Rin, and in HF when she gets taken over by Sakura she’s basically a fully powered murder machine. If she ever seems weak it’s because she’s either being held back or because she’s up against Gilgamesh who has the entire weight of all human legends in all of history backing him up

yeah I get all that, but it's not compelling to me. I also thought of the kariya kung pow we taught him wrong as a joke lol.

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