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Lid posted:How soon do you think it will be before KENTA and Naomichi Marufuji get into the Hall of Fame?
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Neither were on the 2020 ballot which was the most recent. WRESTLING IN JAPAN CANDIDATES Jun Akiyama Cima Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan Yoshiaki Fujiwara Hayabusa Kota Ibushi Kyoko Inoue Tomohiro Ishii Tetsuya Naito Kenny Omega Meiko Satomura Akira Taue Lid fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Sep 30, 2021 |
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Sep 30, 2021 21:00
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They aren't getting in this year cause it's Okada's first year on the Ballot. But down the road? Tough question given both weren't on top of Noah during the big years and KENTA's run in NXT and even in New Japan has been so so. But also they were just super influential to the indy scene thanks to their ROH stuff that they have a case (after Taue gets in mind you)
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Sep 30, 2021 21:10
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Martel looked way better than pretty much every other old-timer WCW trotted out around that time. He was still in good shape and could work at a decent pace. It's a shame he got injured, but tbh I can't picture him going much further than forever feuding over the TV title until WCW imploded. Got to love how the commentators hyped him up for the entire first half of his debut Nitro. "TONIGHT WE WILL SEE THE DEBUT OF A FORMER WWF tag team CHAMPION!!"
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Sep 30, 2021 21:15
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Settle a bet for me - if Speaking out hadn’t happened, Chikara would be AEWs feeder fed and Quakenbush would have a trainer role
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Sep 30, 2021 21:18
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did someone really agree to abide by this forum's opinion
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Sep 30, 2021 21:24
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Manwithastick posted:Settle a bet for me - if Speaking out hadn’t happened, Chikara would be AEWs feeder fed and Quakenbush would have a trainer role I don't think so. Chikara folks kind of seem to still be rough around the edges and not ready to be fed directly into an AEW. Maybe the Quack part could have happened, especially since he did some trainer stints at the PC. I think places like PWG and GCW give a better sense of wrestlers who are closer to being ready for a shot in AEW than the Chikara roster ever did.
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Sep 30, 2021 21:26
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SatoshiMiwa posted:They aren't getting in this year cause it's Okada's first year on the Ballot. But down the road? Tough question given both weren't on top of Noah during the big years and KENTA's run in NXT and even in New Japan has been so so. But also they were just super influential to the indy scene thanks to their ROH stuff that they have a case (after Taue gets in mind you) Not even that, while not on top of NOAH during the golden age them both individually and as a tag team were hugely influential into modern wrestling and the generation before the modern one (the Danielson/Punk era). While the Hideo Itami may work against KENTA it's not nearly as severe as how Mistico still isn't in the HoF because of Sin Cara as the Hideo years were almost a gold watch run and past his prime. When modern wrestlers list you continuously as an influence on them and you can see their style through so many wrestlers its hard to ignore them.
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Sep 30, 2021 21:54
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KENTA and Marufuji are not getting in without some insane late career revival for both. I love both guys, especially Marufuji, but neither is going to come close.
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Sep 30, 2021 21:55
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Watching the Sammy vs. Miro match on Dynamite and Sammy hit like a Shooting Star Press off the top rope into a DDT, I think. (well, the possibility was there anyway, kind of) Has anyone done that before?
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Sep 30, 2021 22:29
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Manwithastick posted:Settle a bet for me - if Speaking out hadn’t happened, Chikara would be AEWs feeder fed and Quakenbush would have a trainer role Almost no chance. Even though there are a lot of Chikara alums in AEW, most of them had pretty much stopped working there regularly for 2-3 years before Chikara collapsed. Quack pissed off a lot of people who stayed loyal to him longer than any of them should have. Also Tony Khan is not into the cartoony poo poo. He flat out said he regretted some of the early Matt Hardy supernatural nonsense, so I doubt he would have been interested in having Quack around in any sort of influential capacity.
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Sep 30, 2021 22:31
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Unperson_47 posted:Watching the Sammy vs. Miro match on Dynamite and Sammy hit like a Shooting Star Press off the top rope into a DDT, I think. (well, the possibility was there anyway, kind of) Has anyone done that before? I think someone recently did an SSP into a cutter. In this instance, it looked like Miro was supposed to catch Sammy and throw him, but surprisingly catching someone in the air doing an SSP is difficult and they over-rotated a bit.
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Oct 1, 2021 00:26
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TVGM posted:437 - 13:10 Thank you!
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Manwithastick posted:Settle a bet for me - if Speaking out hadn’t happened, Chikara would be AEWs feeder fed and Quakenbush would have a trainer role Quackenbush would have zero role with the company. He was not well liked before Speaking Out and that just slammed the door.
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Oct 1, 2021 03:59
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MassRafTer posted:Quackenbush would have zero role with the company. He was not well liked before Speaking Out and that just slammed the door. Yes, but have you considered that Fire Ant was more popular than Orange Cassidy?* *In Quack's own words
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Oct 1, 2021 04:07
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Mideon was a brainwashed Phineas Godwin I/Dennis Knight, so I guess they were technically all the same person.
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Oct 1, 2021 13:28
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Until I saw the name Mideon I had completely forgotten that he had like a six month long gimmick that was just "naked with a fanny pack" EDIT: Isn't he like an accomplished chef or something at this point?
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Manwithastick posted:Settle a bet for me - if Speaking out hadn’t happened, Chikara would be AEWs feeder fed and Quakenbush would have a trainer role I want to say that at most, we would have seen some more recent Chikara students on Dark shows based on Cassidy and Eddie still being on good terms with Quack. Then again, he was super protective about his students getting booked elsewhere because he wanted power over them, so probably not.
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Oct 1, 2021 15:03
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Not that I want them to get work again but I'd like to see the Starr vs. Quackenbush match from JJSB2 with a crowd that knows they're both shitheads.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Not that I want them to get work again but I'd like to see the Starr vs. Quackenbush match from JJSB2 with a crowd that knows they're both shitheads. I forgot Quack was on that show. What an odd fit. Then again, Joey's Spring Break shows are all about "Wait, what?" bookings Gavok posted:I want to say that at most, we would have seen some more recent Chikara students on Dark shows based on Cassidy and Eddie still being on good terms with Quack. Then again, he was super protective about his students getting booked elsewhere because he wanted power over them, so probably not. I've long suspected that Jigsaw stopped showing up in ROH and TNA because Quack said so. Might be for the best in TNA, Russo might have gotten wind of him being Jigsaw elsewhere and given him a Saw gimmick. I know years ago Hero did a long shoot and like 2/3 of it was dedicated to talking about why he left Chikara and why he and Quack fell out, but I don't know many details, other than he thinks Hallowicked was done a disservice by limiting his bookings and could have been a big indy star. I agree with that, Hallowicked, from a wrestling standpoint, is Quack's best student (the best complete package is Kingston). El Gallinero Gros fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Oct 1, 2021 16:22
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Everything I read about Chikara is just a kick in the face, but like more. They got me back into wrestling. 
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Oct 1, 2021 16:26
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Dawgstar posted:Everything I read about Chikara is just a kick in the face, but like more. They got me back into wrestling. It's a huge bummer because both King of Trios and Young Lions Cup are fun tourney ideas, and it's my hope that AEW swipes them.
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Dawgstar posted:Everything I read about Chikara is just a kick in the face, but like more. They got me back into wrestling. Same At least the memories are still there, stuff like Kingston vs Claudio and the first time Momo no Seishun or Kota Ibushi worked shows in America
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Oct 1, 2021 16:34
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SG Bamboo posted:Same Yeah Ring of Honor used to be really great.
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Oct 1, 2021 16:35
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It appears commentary lied to me, the last 12 years may as well not have existed
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Dawgstar posted:Everything I read about Chikara is just a kick in the face, but like more. They got me back into wrestling. Someone I felt bad for (you know, after all the abused and underpaid) was the Whisper. He was a big part of their latter years, was pretty good in the ring, was fun and charismatic and was being built up as the next top face to the point that he won the promotion's final match. A few months back, there was discussion on Twitter about whether or not Chikara was better off never coming back after the Ashes storyline. In response to the discussions, Whisper (who showed up a year or so after Ashes) tweeted some depressing stuff about feeling worthless and how his whole Chikara career now feels like a waste of time that he can't proudly look back on.
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Oct 1, 2021 19:16
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Have there been many conversations about what the plan for HHH was if he doesn't tear his quad pre- Invasion?
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Have there been many conversations about what the plan for HHH was if he doesn't tear his quad pre- Invasion? wild-rear end guess: he probably valiantly goes over those WCW losers and defends the honor of Vince McMahon and WWE. the matches main event PPVs and take 30-45 minutes of slow, intermittent spots, lots of lovely punches.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Have there been many conversations about what the plan for HHH was if he doesn't tear his quad pre- Invasion? I want to say the original plan was his partnership with Austin breaking down and HHH feuding with him as a face. With how the Invasion's early days shook out, though, I think they might have made HHH the top defector instead of Austin and started his Ric Flair tribute act a little earlier.
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Oct 2, 2021 02:25
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Why did Bam Bam Bigelow never stick around a promotion very long? Was that just his thing? I mean, I know he's said he was up for the WWF World Title but "that doesn't work for me, brother" and I get why that would tick Bigelow off, but he just kind of bounced around.
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Oct 2, 2021 13:45
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I'm pretty sure he fell foul of a lot of backstage bullshit. Real shame,as he was someone that was squandered in the US
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Oct 2, 2021 14:00
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Dawgstar posted:Why did Bam Bam Bigelow never stick around a promotion very long? Was that just his thing? I mean, I know he's said he was up for the WWF World Title but "that doesn't work for me, brother" and I get why that would tick Bigelow off, but he just kind of bounced around. He was supposed to get a big push after putting over LT at WM. Kliq squashed that because he didn't get along with Hall & Nash. This caused him to leave. I think he left ECW for the same reason most did, his checks were bouncing. They pushed him pretty hard. And WCW probably offered him good money but they certainly weren't using him well. He wasn't treated well despite being a really talented big man. I knows he's said his first WWE departure was his fault to some degree, I believe he stated that he wasn't mature enough for the push he was getting.
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Oct 2, 2021 14:05
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other than Flash Flanagan, Reckless Youth and Rockin' Rebel (maybe?) who were the top 90s indie guys who never quite made it to the major leagues (not counting cup of coffee runs)?
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Spermgod posted:other than Flash Flanagan, Reckless Youth and Rockin' Rebel (maybe?) who were the top 90s indie guys who never quite made it to the major leagues (not counting cup of coffee runs)? I remember Ace Darling being hyped up pretty often by the Apter mags but he only made a handful of WWF appearances. His tag partner, Devon Storm, was much more successful.
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Spermgod posted:other than Flash Flanagan, Reckless Youth and Rockin' Rebel (maybe?) who were the top 90s indie guys who never quite made it to the major leagues (not counting cup of coffee runs)? Rockin' Rebel only ever got booked because he had a PA promoters license & him being on your show was the cost of using it. He was bad at wrestling and clearly an absolute piece of garbage.
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Spermgod posted:other than Flash Flanagan, Reckless Youth and Rockin' Rebel (maybe?) who were the top 90s indie guys who never quite made it to the major leagues (not counting cup of coffee runs)? Rebel was the shits and got booked frequently because he had a promoters license. I remember Meltz citing an indy guy who passed away a few years ago named Stephen DeLeon who was extremely well respected in California but only got jobber gigs for bigger companies. A handful of others I can think of: "Brown Bomber" Robert Thompson (he worked APW a bunch), Tech Nine (worked the original ISW when they did Warped Tour, put over by Meltz a few times as a great athlete), The Ballards (even more inspired by Slapshot than the Dudleys were), Chance Beckett (made a Super 8 tournament finals, lost to Paul London).
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Spermgod posted:other than Flash Flanagan, Reckless Youth and Rockin' Rebel (maybe?) who were the top 90s indie guys who never quite made it to the major leagues (not counting cup of coffee runs)? Mike Modest would definitely be one of those guys, right down to a couple of cups of coffee.
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Oct 2, 2021 21:11
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MassRafTer posted:Mike Modest would definitely be one of those guys, right down to a couple of cups of coffee. Donovan Morgan, too.
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Oct 2, 2021 21:12
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Do we count EZ Money/Jason Jett or does his ECW run disqualify him?
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Lid posted:Do we count EZ Money/Jason Jett or does his ECW run disqualify him? He worked for WCW, WWE (never on TV, mind) ROH, and TNA too, so I'm gonna say he doesn’t count
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