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The Rivian is an upscale lifestyle truck. It’s going to appeal to people who buy Range Rovers and have expensive outdoor lifestyle hobbies.
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I have just found out that the Ford Explorer is offered as a PHEV in Europe. WTF, why do we not get this thing? https://media.ford.com/content/fordmedia/feu/en/news/2020/05/14/electrified-efficiency--7-seat-luxury-and-off-road-capability--f.html In the US the consumer models are only offered with the 2.3L or 3.0L Ecoboost motors, and the Police Interceptor has a boring hybrid model with a small electric motor paired with the Duratec 33, but apparently Europe gets a full PHEV with the 3.0 Ecoboost andenough motor/battery for 25 miles of EV-only range and over 450 HP plus over 600 delicious torques. The Explorer's platform-mate the Lincoln Aviator has a version of the same drivetrain with the gas engine in ST trim for 500 combined horsepower so it's not a certification thing either, this drivetrain is sold in the US right now, they just won't give it to us dressed as a Ford.
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Probably for similar reason Ford in theory produces the Escape PHEV in the US but doesn't actually want to build any nor did the Maverick launch with PHEV. They may be hedging their vehicle tax credit quota for the Mach-E and Lightning.
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Europe has more stringent requirements for fleet efficiency and harsher penalties so it makes sense that companies that sell a large number of cars in Europe prioritize sending their most efficient models there if they are either limited on production or the margins on those vehicles are worse.
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They probably sell single digits of Explorers here by the looks of it
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It always bugged me that the Toyota CHR was a hybrid from the get-go in Europe/UK and there was never a whiff of it in NA. Would a hybrid Chur really be a sales flop, even in Canada? I would probably already have one.
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darnon posted:Probably for similar reason Ford in theory produces the Escape PHEV in the US but doesn't actually want to build any nor did the Maverick launch with PHEV. They may be hedging their vehicle tax credit quota for the Mach-E and Lightning. This is odd to me because I definitely would want to at least try an Escape PHEV (I can't find any) but I'm not cross shopping it with a mustang or lightning, I'm cross shopping it with like a RAV4 Prime or a ID4 or Model Y.
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The Maverick 2.0T versions are getting priority production too, people who ordered the hybrid version are getting crazy mad because 2.0T orders made in September are going into production while July hybrid orders aren't even being scheduled.
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Kunabomber posted:The Maverick 2.0T versions are getting priority production too, people who ordered the hybrid version are getting crazy mad because 2.0T orders made in September are going into production while July hybrid orders aren't even being scheduled. I love my FiST but Ford is such a poo poo company
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Ok Comboomer posted:with dealer markup? Makes me even more surprised Rivian (or any dealer) doesn’t support it. People don’t like change and they’re used to using Apple CarPlay and Android Auto across almost every modern car they’ve driven. I know I am. Just seems like deciding not to support this is giving a lot of people a reason to not buy your vehicle.
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Ruggan posted:Makes me even more surprised Rivian (or any dealer) doesn’t support it. I like my Tesla a whole lot but I find it extremely dumb that I still can't get my phone onto that big screen. E: and an if by magic today my news feed says some developer has kludged a solution together. https://www.androidcentral.com/you-can-now-use-android-auto-tesla-theres-catch cruft fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Kunabomber posted:The Maverick 2.0T versions are getting priority production too, people who ordered the hybrid version are getting crazy mad because 2.0T orders made in September are going into production while July hybrid orders aren't even being scheduled. It's mostly because Ford anticipated a greater take rate on the Ecoboost than the hybrid. There's also some design changes on the Maverick hybrid transmission versus the Escape. On top of that all the supply issues of a semiconductor shortage and the chemicals for spray-in bedliners. I will say Ford's scheduling system is a bit weird with dealer allocation and regional allocation also coming in to mean someone who ordered the exact same build a month later might schedule before you. The EPA is also dragging their feet certifying the mileage for hybrids so even though they were built two weeks ago they can't be sold while customer Ecoboost orders are being delivered in addition to the dealer stock produced Aug 16th to Sept 10th before customer builds started. It turns out that the Escape PHEV is in fact real, however. Just saw they started hitting dealers and one near me has/is getting one which is making me ponder my own unscheduled Maverick hybrid order I likely won't see before the end of the year at the earliest.
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5 Midwestern governors agree to create a network to charge electric vehicles https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1041987104/midwest-electric-vehicles-charging-evs-cars I can only assume that Indiana joined to somehow sabotage the whole thing.
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borkencode posted:I can only assume that Indiana joined to somehow sabotage the whole thing. Likely... Or they'll build a single station in downtown Indy and call it job done. Edit: And it'll be 50kW.
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stevewm posted:Likely... Then they'll sell it to a private company and lease it back for 10x the cost.
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stevewm posted:Likely... Could be worse. Encinitas CA has a bank of EvGo fast chargers at city hall, funded by some Federal Grant ... sitting behind a fence because after installing them in 2019 they discovered that SDG&E can't/won't supply the power to them.
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Toyota Germany still badmouthing EVs in advertisements: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr5TAKcxrbs My life is spontaneous and I don't have time for charging stations
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Charles posted:Toyota Germany still badmouthing EVs in advertisements: Tell that to the British https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/britain-says-fuel-crisis-is-stabilising-2021-10-01/ British gas pumps still dry, growing concerns pigs will be culled Poor pigs.
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Are there the EV equivalent of gas stations out there yet? Multiple different brands of charges and a nice WaWa type building to get food/snacks/outside seating/bathrooms. And if not, why? Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity.
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There are! https://goo.gl/maps/LzHTRvkoPSsgnQXz7 But also, why wouldn't you just charge at the next mall, or McDonald's, instead. The fact you don't need big tanks to hold gas allows for charging infrastructure in more pleasant places.
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mattfl posted:Are there the EV equivalent of gas stations out there yet? Multiple different brands of charges and a nice WaWa type building to get food/snacks/outside seating/bathrooms. And if not, why? Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity. This is the only one I know of that looks like a gas station. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lku13n95b8k Shop, solar cells, external battery packs for peak load, vacuums next to the chargers. But not different brands of chargers. I've driven from Norway to Berlin recently and along the motorways the Ionity chargers are often next to a gas station with food and bathrooms and the Tesla supercharger is nearby so it sort of works out like you suggest. It seems to make more sense to just locate the chargers next to existing rest stops instead of building something new.
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Fame Douglas posted:There are! https://goo.gl/maps/LzHTRvkoPSsgnQXz7 This is very cool. And ya that's a good point about not needing the storage of a regular gas station so chargers can be put just about anywhere.
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mattfl posted:Are there the EV equivalent of gas stations out there yet? Multiple different brands of charges and a nice WaWa type building to get food/snacks/outside seating/bathrooms. And if not, why? Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity. Yes. The Wawa a few miles from here literally has a row of SuperChargers in the parking lot:   Many of the SuperChargers in Northern Virginia and North Carolina have a small constellation of businesses and convenience stores around them (Sheetz, Wawa, 7-11, etc). Like a previous comment said; you don't need a lot of space for gas tanks or pumps, so DC fast charging stations tend to be tucked into the parking lots of things like restaurants, hotels, and convenience stores. Edit: can't type. MrPablo fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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borkencode posted:5 Midwestern governors agree to create a network to charge electric vehicles https://www.npr.org/2021/10/01/1041987104/midwest-electric-vehicles-charging-evs-cars Good, now just make it so people can buy a Tesla in Wisconsin instead of having to buy it in Illinois or Minnesota and then bring it into WI to register.
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MrPablo posted:Yes. The Wawa a few miles from here literally has a row of SuperChargers in the parking lot: To follow up on my previous comment, here are a WaWa and a Sheetz that I stopped on a trip in 2019 with both SuperChargers and gas pumps:   (The Wawa that I mentioned in the previous comment only has SuperChargers) Edit: fIx CaPs. MrPablo fucked around with this message at 23:58 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Wawa seems to have been pretty friendly with Tesla, they have superchargers at pretty much every Wawa built in Florida since ~2018 or so.
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mattfl posted:Are there the EV equivalent of gas stations out there yet? Multiple different brands of charges and a nice WaWa type building to get food/snacks/outside seating/bathrooms. And if not, why? Seems like it'd be a good business opportunity. A few of the Chevron stations in Los Angeles have EVGO fast chargers. I’ve used them at the Santa Monica and Venice locations.
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In a week I’m driving the Niro EV 315 miles to Vegas. Do I need to send tribute to Electrify America so they will actually have working chargers in Barstow?
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VideoGameVet posted:Tell that to the British Embargo on! 
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VideoGameVet posted:In a week I’m driving the Niro EV 315 miles to Vegas. Check plugshare reviews.
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mattfl posted:This is very cool. At the same time though you do want some locations with a lot of chargers in one place so that you don't have to go hunting for an open charging spot among 20 grocery stores with 2 chargers each
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I want them by gas stations so I can use the windshield cleaner/squeegee thingy.
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Ulf posted:Not pigs! Energy! I even read it in his voice, thanks, I needed the laugh.
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Indiana_Krom posted:Good, now just make it so people can buy a Tesla in Wisconsin instead of having to buy it in Illinois or Minnesota and then bring it into WI to register. Buddy, let me tell you about Texas...
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LRADIKAL posted:Check plugshare reviews. Plugshare doesn't even know about the bank of EvGo chargers in Baker for some reason. Maybe that's been updated.
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Fame Douglas posted:But also, why wouldn't you just charge at the next mall, or McDonald's, instead. The fact you don't need big tanks to hold gas allows for charging infrastructure in more pleasant places. During road trips I haven't even considered stopping at a mall instead of a service station. They have all the services I might want, like the windshield cleaner another poster mentioned. The stations I usually frequent have a small grocery shop, their own restaurant with wide variety of quite good food, but often they have also integrated a burger chain I favour and even a donut shop chain. Then there for example the toilets. Malls and restaurants have them because they know some of their patrons will need them and laws require. But on service stations they are usually a just a bit better, they know a lot of their patrons will be spending a lot of time there. Of course occasionally I do want something better than what a service station has to offer, but in those cases I wouldn't settle for a mall or McDonald's either. When I arrive on a new city I check what great restaurants they have around, and I go there assuming they won't offer any other services a road tripper might want. Google photos from one example
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Saukkis posted:During road trips I haven't even considered stopping at a mall instead of a service station. They have all the services I might want, like the windshield cleaner another poster mentioned. The stations I usually frequent have a small grocery shop, their own restaurant with wide variety of quite good food, but often they have also integrated a burger chain I favour and even a donut shop chain. Then there for example the toilets. Malls and restaurants have them because they know some of their patrons will need them and laws require. But on service stations they are usually a just a bit better, they know a lot of their patrons will be spending a lot of time there. look at this guy, too good for McDonalds
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Fancy gas station toilets. The chain connecting the key to the brick is plated in gold.
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Hey look, a Finland WaWa.
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Ok Comboomer posted:look at this guy, too good for McDonalds Count me in as too good for that, yuck! 
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