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wiegieman posted:The seat gets two votes because you have to kill not only the person sitting in it, you have to kill yourself to get it. Ah, I must have missed/forgot that part. Or was it covered elsewhere?
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no because they made it up just now
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It's an inference, but it seems like the sort of thing the locals would do.
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who was a bit confused by it. I was wondering if there was a Storm storyline I missed somewhere.
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it was deliberately unclear if that scene was in the past or future.
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Oct 1, 2021 07:26
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Well, regardless of confusion, it was a great issue. Can't go wrong with Storm just repeatedly showing what a bad rear end she is.
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Oct 1, 2021 17:50
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Any issue of any X-Men comic that involves Storm triumphing against ludicrous adversity has all-timer potential. Like 50% of the best classic Uncanny issues are that.
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Storm with no powers and a knife is probably more dangerous than Storm with powers and no knife.
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One thing that doesn't make sense to me about the Orchis attacks So the team that goes on the mission dies every time, different configurations whatever. SOMEONE has to be sending them off to do this, and have a plan mapped out. Them repeating the same patterns again and again doesn't make sense. I get you have a memory back up of before you die so you lose some time, but there should be some sort of physical data of "okay we planned it this way we died, planned it this way didn't work" and so on. Either whoever is planning the missions is sending on purpose so those dead bodies pile up to get cloned or whatever at the Orchis facility, or a telepath is also mind wiping the organizer of the missions and wiping data every single time so they are completely ineffective
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Why dont they use the might of Arakko omegas to wipe out Orchis? Seems like the one place they might benefit from zero tolerance maniacs. Or borrow a Shiar battlecruiser and death star the station to oblivion I love how Hickman writes Charles and Magneto as Dirty Rotten Scoundrels fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Jiro posted:One thing that doesn't make sense to me about the Orchis attacks So the team that goes on the mission dies every time, different configurations whatever. SOMEONE has to be sending them off to do this, and have a plan mapped out. Them repeating the same patterns again and again doesn't make sense. I get you have a memory back up of before you die so you lose some time, but there should be some sort of physical data of "okay we planned it this way we died, planned it this way didn't work" and so on. Either whoever is planning the missions is sending on purpose so those dead bodies pile up to get cloned or whatever at the Orchis facility, or a telepath is also mind wiping the organizer of the missions and wiping data every single time so they are completely ineffective Way way back in House of X (I think it was HoX) they said that missions to blow up Orchis are far enough away out in space to be out of the range of telepathy, which I think is the crux of the problem - they don't get any data beyond 'well, we looked through a telescope and the Orchis station is still floating out there.' They probably change up the approach a bit every time - we've only seen the one mission, but it seems safe to assume that 'send X-Force in inside of a hollowed-out asteroid' wasn't their first option, that they've tried different angles of attack and tactics each time - but the amount of feedback they get from each attempt is distressingly low. What's biting them in the rear end, I suspect, is that Xavier and Magneto are almost assuredly reviving X-Force from backups that were taken before the mission planning occurred, because that way they come back with the knowledge that "hey Charlie and Mags have a mission for us" but not "hey Charlie and Mags seem really worried about Nimrod's existence, I wonder why, maybe we should start asking questions that might eventually lead us to figure out Moira's deal." Hell, X-Force probably doesn't even know they've tried and failed the mission a dozen times previously. Mind, that still requires us to believe that Magneto and Professor X haven't sat down and come up with a more creative solution than "keep throwing X-Force at them and hope that eventually we get lucky" but hey EDIT: fatherboxx posted:Why dont they use the might of Arakko omegas to wipe out Orchis? Seems like the one place they might benefit from zero tolerance maniacs. I think a big part of the problem is that this is a Charlie/Magneto/Moira "off the books" op - this is why they keep sending the deniable X-Force and not, like, a real team of X-Men. They can't just tell everyone "hey so it is super important that we stop Nimrod from becoming a thing and/or stop Nimrod now before it gets scarier," because then someone would reasonably ask "why is it so important that Nimrod get shut down immediately, it doesn't seem to be any more existential a threat than, I dunno, the Cosmic Cube or whatever and you're not losing your poo poo over that" and they cannot - for whatever reason - respond with "because Moira MacTaggert, who isn't really dead and who is also on her tenth life and who might be the most important person alive because her death would reset this entire timeline, said it was critical." 'Cause they're the only two who know that, and they don't want to share. DivineCoffeeBinge fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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oh my god inferno. why the gently caress does it have to end now? man, screw marvel and substack. and hickman i guess. plans spinning out of control, grumble grumblequote:Hell, X-Force probably doesn't even know they've tried and failed the mission a dozen times previously. i love it
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It's another Hickman Illuminati hubris but with fewer people.
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X-Force are pretty crap at being deniable ops these days (and honestly, ever), thanks BeastDivineCoffeeBinge posted:Hell, X-Force probably doesn't even know they've tried and failed the mission a dozen times previously. the one fear of Dark Souls player, forgetting their corpse runs
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Does Krakoa have an infinite amount of adamantium for new Wolverine skeletons or what? Did I miss something?
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Joe Fisto posted:Does Krakoa have an infinite amount of adamantium for new Wolverine skeletons or what? Did I miss something? I think Proteus takes care of that
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Proteus does take care of that, though we've also seen Forge has a big ol' adamantium pool too for some drat reason he claims it's for new Wolverine skeletons - and it might be, at least partially, for all those times when Logan gets his arm ripped off and so he needs new adamantium arm-bones but not, like, a full reboot but it's Forge, so who the hell knows, he might be building toasters out of adamantium just because he can
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Hey. Laura needs claws too. 
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Dawgstar posted:Hey. Laura needs claws too. nah, Laura's too cool to need that kind of backup she simply doesn't get her limbs removed, because she is better at this poo poo than Logan is QED
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Thanks guys!
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I'm kind of curious as to why they keep sending in so few people with each shot. Like, I guess they don't want humans in general to know about the resurrections but I think at this point the ORCHIS guys have gotta be catching on after the 11th Wolverine or so. So don't send X-Force send a fuckin' army. Hell, send in multiple versions of the same character. I mean maybe that's some sort of ethical thing but ethics are pretty fast and loose with the X-Men these days, if there's no chance of retrieval and it's basically a suicide mission, why not send like 60 Gambits through a portal and just start blowing things up left and right? I mean I get why they can't call in some solutions, because then you get into "why doesn't Superman just take out Batman's bad guys?" territory and that's just comics, but it seems like all their attempts have been so... conventional.
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Yeah the biggest plot hole here is that they're protecting important secrets and following self-imposed rules in the face of genocide. If ending Nimrod was that important, you'd resurrect 30 Magnetos, drop them in, and finish it all. But I get why for story reasons that doesn't happen.
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After Planet-Sized it's hard to believe that it's impossible for them to take out that station. My theory is they are less inclined to stage an full out assault on Orchis for all to see, since (and especially after Planet Sized) Orchis has been going around marketing themselves as humanity's last line of defense against the rise of mutants, and if Krakoa openly nukes them out of existence they might just rebuild back on earth with far more backing than they had before. Honestly I would also be more worried about that sentinel city that they are building.
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I originally just assumed the twist was that this was one of the lives but not 616 or whatever but then they started referencing Krakoa in other books and clearly that was not the case. I am kind of am going back to wondering if that is the case though and the other references just happened to be stories that took place in that version of Moria's life too.
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TwoPair posted:I'm kind of curious as to why they keep sending in so few people with each shot. Like, I guess they don't want humans in general to know about the resurrections but I think at this point the ORCHIS guys have gotta be catching on after the 11th Wolverine or so. So don't send X-Force send a fuckin' army. Hell, send in multiple versions of the same character. I mean maybe that's some sort of ethical thing but ethics are pretty fast and loose with the X-Men these days, if there's no chance of retrieval and it's basically a suicide mission, why not send like 60 Gambits through a portal and just start blowing things up left and right? I suspect it's because X-Force needing to get resurrected by The Five is a very commonplace occurrence, but like seventy mutants, not so much. Remember, Xavier and Magneto are trying to keep this quiet. They can explain away Yet More Dead X-Force easily, but if they start going "okay we need to bring back these thirty guys and also stop asking what happened to all the spare Gambits", Hope is gonna start asking some questions, y'know?
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But then the question is why destroying Nimrod or Orchis would need to be a secret from the X-Men or even other Krakoans? It's not as if their initial assault to bring down the mother mold was a big secret. Who's gonna be like "No don't do that"
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well, one of the three laws is kill no humans and every halfway successful assault on orchis involves killing humans.
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Rick posted:I originally just assumed the twist was that this was one of the lives but not 616 or whatever but then they started referencing Krakoa in other books and clearly that was not the case. I am kind of am going back to wondering if that is the case though and the other references just happened to be stories that took place in that version of Moria's life too. So here's my thoughts. Either one of the scenes we've seen is from life 2 and we were lied to about Moira dying in a plane crash, which is Moira following the same steps in life 3 to determine if what Destiny says is true or... The scene in HoX/PoX is how Moira presented the scene to Xavier when he read her mind, and she knowingly omitted and changed some parts of the conversation to mask her intentions. I also don't think Destiny telling Mystique to "burn it down" is revenge for not bringing her back, but it's to help mutants. Mystique and Destiny want mutants to survive, so there's no question as to where they stand. But Moira has doubts about which side to choose. But either way, I'm coming to the conclusion that Moira is not on the mutants side or she's hedging her bets.
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I can't remember where, probably twitter, but someone had the theory that Moira's ultimate goal was to merge with the Phalanx when it gets to Earth in hundreds of years. But the probelm is, merging with it will kill her, which resets her life. So she needs to create a mutant cure to break her out of the cycle once and for all. So she needs to both live for like eight hundred years and not be a mutant when the time comes, which is threading a pretty thin needle.
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Plan 728: Lila ports in Orphan Maker, who strips off and annihilates the crap out of the entire station. Eh, it’s gotta be worth a shot instead of sending Wolvie up there yet again. Plus I really wanna know what the deal with his powers is.
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Does the timing on all the x-things going on seem a little off to anyone else? There's just so many things going on right now that it seems kind of crazy?
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It does feel a little bit like Schrodinger's Quiet Council at the moment. Magneto and Sinister are currently in stories that should seriously compromise their position on the council, but everything seems business as usual for them in Inferno...which just threw a major curveball of an ending, which probably isn't going to be addressed in any other books until this event is over, which is simply unavoidable because all these individual major storylines are going to take months to progress, so I guess we're supposed to just assume every single story takes place after every single other one.
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Rochallor posted:I can't remember where, probably twitter, but someone had the theory that Moira's ultimate goal was to merge with the Phalanx when it gets to Earth in hundreds of years. I'm just hoping it's not some heh, mutants win oh no everything reset again so it's a new world anything can happen will rock the X-men to the core thing.
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:well, one of the three laws is kill no humans and every halfway successful assault on orchis involves killing humans. This is a self-imposed rule that is directly affecting their stated goal of not becoming extinct. Ditto being secretive about resurrection, or attacking ORCHIS at all. If Nimrod is an existential threat, maybe put other things aside and deal with that. For the story to be interesting they have to ignore these things.
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Send a dozen Jamie Madroxes in, you invade ORCHIS with an army of thousands.
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Rochallor posted:I can't remember where, probably twitter, but someone had the theory that Moira's ultimate goal was to merge with the Phalanx when it gets to Earth in hundreds of years. But the probelm is, merging with it will kill her, which resets her life. So she needs to create a mutant cure to break her out of the cycle once and for all. So she needs to both live for like eight hundred years and not be a mutant when the time comes, which is threading a pretty thin needle. Moira is legit playing the sickest rogue like of all time.
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I also did a re-read of HoX/PoX last night and it's interesting to see that Hickman laid out a whole bunch of stuff that was right in front of us and told us exactly what things would happen, but just not when or with clarity. And a bunch of the Sinister Secrets came to pass in future storylines, and even had Inferno mentioned at the start. I think so far a couple of the things that haven't been touched upon were Sinister having replaced someone before Xavier knew about it, and Doug and Warlock working with Krakoa. I still think the big thing that's been right in front of us but hasn't had much attention called to it is Doug and Warlock infecting Krakoa with the transmode virus, but with Krakoa's permission. This is, I think, what's ultimately going to help the X-Men win. In that they'll have something that's like a mutant Phalanx on their side.
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Codependent Poster posted:
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Steve Orlando taking over for Duggen on Marauders post-Inferno with Annual #1. https://www.marvel.com/articles/com...auders-annual-1 Dauterman cover indicates some new potential members...
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