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to me the biggest red flag is that you're doing it at your desk instead of like, on a comfy couch somewhere but lmao if you're hourly and putting it on your timesheets
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Joe Chip posted:i actually didn’t know std::function wasn’t a zero cost abstraction of function pointers. thanks!
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cinci zoo sniper posted:when is it ever not a bad look? this or is there some cultural norm that I missed?
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Oct 1, 2021 01:21
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Unless you're coding for some 90 hour/week Japanese hellcorp, in which case enjoy your nap and god help you
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Oct 1, 2021 01:23
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Yes, he's a 1099.
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Sagacity posted:there is some irony to the fact that you were defending c++ std::functions as being just as simple to use and understand as a single go 'defer' statement yet still learnt something new about c++ std::functions over the course of a few SA forum posts that's why i'm in the terrible programming thread
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i like c++ but i'd never want to work with it professionally again and for the same reason: it has a million little tricks and optimizations and edge cases so it's fun to work with for toy projects but large c++ projects with a lot of devs are a nightmare because everyone knows different tricks
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Oct 1, 2021 02:58
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mystes posted:Sure let's add misclassification of employees as contractors while we're at it, why not sorry, I use 1099 as a generic term for contractor. They are W2 that go through a contracting company.
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Jabor posted:to me the biggest red flag is that you're doing it at your desk instead of like, on a comfy couch somewhere okay that's fair Sagacity posted:there is some irony to the fact that you were defending c++ std::functions as being just as simple to use and understand as a single go 'defer' statement yet still learnt something new about c++ std::functions over the course of a few SA forum posts until pretty recently go defer had a pretty massive performance penalty compared to doing the same thing without defer (for some reason it used a heap-allocated stack). it's fixed now, but for a long time if using a pointless std::function was actually a problem then using defer would have been a much bigger problem.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:when is it ever not a bad look? you gotta get to private office w/ non-glass walls level before this becomes acceptable.
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Jabor posted:to me the biggest red flag is that you're doing it at your desk instead of like, on a comfy couch somewhere king poo poo
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Joe Chip posted:i actually didn’t know std::function wasn’t a zero cost abstraction of function pointers. thanks! Type erasure is always costly 
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Joe Chip posted:large c++ projects with a lot of devs are a nightmare because everyone knows different tricks 
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Sagacity posted:there is some irony to the fact that you were defending c++ std::functions as being just as simple to use and understand as a single go 'defer' statement yet still learnt something new about c++ std::functions over the course of a few SA forum posts one thing i've noticed about c++ is that every time someone makes a concrete statement about it there's like 5 followup posts going "well actually ...." because the language is a byzantine mess of features piled onto features built on a foundation of undefined behaviour
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Found a real-life guy arguing that the only proper language to use on embedded Linux products is C or C++. He freely admits that his reasoning is based on his experience in the '90s. GO, Rust, Python, Java? NO SIR, CAN'T HAVE THOSE. WE HAVE TO SAVE (checks notes) 50c of BOM on a $70,000 product!
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convince him to settle on cython as a middle ground between python and c/c++, and then just never use any of the cython poo poo
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DoomTrainPhD posted:Found a real-life guy arguing that the only proper language to use on embedded Linux products is C or C++. He freely admits that his reasoning is based on his experience in the '90s.
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12 rats tied together posted:convince him to settle on cython as a middle ground between python and c/c++, and then just never use any of the cython poo poo He called Python "new and shiny." It's 30 years old. He also claims that enforcing pep8 makes code less maintainable for ~*~reasons~*~ Edit* He said, "Let me know when someone writes a video driver and graphics engine in python that fully utilizes the hardware." lmao. I think he's trolling at this point. At no point have any of us advocated for using Python for literally everything.
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I'm an 40+ yo dev, I spent decades in the C/C++ mines on very small to pretty big machines because that was the environment for that sector (we did use python from time-to-time appropriately) and I have never been more loving happy to work on modern (mature) languages than I have in forever when I changed career paths. It's *FUN* to see what other stuff is out there, where you can pain points solved, where and how and why other langs can fall short, how to carry some ideas around to other langs.
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Oct 1, 2021 23:42
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do people use pypy for python webshit yet
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I mean, he's right though. You shouldn't be using Python on embedded stuff.
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oh thank god I found this thread Go is fine and I kind of enjoy it
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Skim Milk posted:oh thank god I found this thread contradicting statements, op
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if it’s embedded but big enough to run a linux it’s big enough to run some size focused dialect of python
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DrPossum posted:where you can pain points solved one of the big pains with c and c++ that doesn't get appreciated enough in other languages is dependency management like there's bad and frustrating ones out there but drat if even the lousy ones don't beat c/c++'s 'lmao'
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Presto posted:I mean, he's right though. You shouldn't be using Python on embedded stuff. incorrect.
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if youre going to run a full linux os on an embedded thing, you might as well run python too, since most of the linux distros are unusable without it
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they're also unusable with it though
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Achmed Jones posted:they're also unusable with it though
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i apologize for the derail, the programming language thread is > here <
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yospos is all one thread. lets talk about pittsburgh
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cjs: tp
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yospos is all one thread. lets talk about pittsburgh your other sity, pittsburgh, ought-to perish
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bob dobbs is dead posted:yospos is all one thread. lets talk about pittsburgh what is the pittsburgh bracket style
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go is the pittsburgh of programming languages
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Presto posted:Currently I'm having a torrid love affair with structured bindings. Wait till you find out that they don't really work with lambdas
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Xarn posted:Wait till you find out that they don't really work with lambdas
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ahh that fresh smell of python dependency management, when you have to install 15gb of c++ build tools poo poo on windows to install a single package
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lol I use a grown up os. Fedora. it comes with Python.
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Presto posted:That's OK I don't use lambdas. me writing lambdas: gently caress yes! Yes! Haha! me reading the lambdas I wrote: well this loving sucks what the gently caress
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