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Sagebrush posted:Glue on bed! Glue on bed! I think his problem is more than glue. You should get at least something sticking, even if for a minute or so.
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I had this exact issue with one of my new e3v2s. Nothing would stick to the bed, even after a thorough degreasing. Toss the glass bed and install a flex plate with smooth pei. The included glass bed is garbage. A couple pages back I put together a small list of must have upgrades (<$100) for the Ender 3 V2. Yes, it sucks to have to purchase additional upgrades for a stock machine to get it working right, but do you want to be printing or trouble shooting issues?
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Hamburlgar posted:I had this exact issue with one of my new e3v2s. Nothing would stick to the bed, even after a thorough degreasing. maybe if everyone returned the defective printers instead of spending more money on them they'd have fixed this poo poo by now e: but if I were going to spend $300 on a 3d printer I would have looked at other printers. if changing the tip and the glue don't let me print something I'm afraid this thing is destined for the amazon incinerator poverty goat fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Oct 1, 2021 19:10
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My only grief has been self inflicted (MMU2) or an easy fix (move heat break) so far with the cursed P-name printers 
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Oct 1, 2021 19:14
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Wibla posted:My only grief has been self inflicted (MMU2) or an easy fix (move heat break) so far with the cursed P-name printers Oh for sure. If you’re spending $800-$1200, buy a Prusa, with a doubt. But in the sub-$800 category, you’ll be hard pressed to find a printer with a 235x235 print bed.
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Oct 1, 2021 19:27
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Hamburlgar posted:Oh for sure. If you’re spending $800-$1200, buy a Prusa, with a doubt. But in the sub-$800 category, you’ll be hard pressed to find a printer with a 235x235 print bed. quote:Why you should consider avoiding the Ender 3 What about that list of printers? The last one has a bigger print bed and auto-levelling, for example. I mean even if they're all janky and need $100 worth of parts as well, they all look like better deals than the e3v2 poverty goat fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Oct 1, 2021 |
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Oct 1, 2021 20:10
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Doctor Zero posted:I think his problem is more than glue. You should get at least something sticking, even if for a minute or so. This sounds exactly like what happened after the first time I cleaned my glass bed. It had been working fine but turned into Teflon when I washed it per the instructions. No amount of leveling, or even more fastidious cleaning, would get anything whatsoever to stick to it. A $1.98 can of hairspray completely fixed it and I haven't had any reason to look for a new plate since
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Oct 1, 2021 21:30
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If it’s curling straight out of the nozzle, another culprit could be a clogged nozzle, google “ender cold pull” and see if you get anywhere with that. It’s free to try!
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Oct 1, 2021 21:37
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I opened up the hotend and could see a clog, but it wouldn't come w/ several cold pulls so I ended up removing the nozzle, heating it to 260 and pushing the booger through. Everything passed visual inspection so I put it back together aaaand https://i.imgur.com/Wn515g5.mp4 Is it maybe the nozzle itself at this point? e: I levelled it and got a relatively promising start of the outline of a first layer out of it but then the bed farted and now at the outset of re-levelling I can't get the paper under it. Which has happened a lot. Is it possible that the undercarriage w/ the springs is just put together incorrectly or something? I keep getting dramatic changes in level out of nowhere. Is it possible that what this machine needs is a priest? poverty goat fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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Oct 2, 2021 14:56
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That extrusion video looks okay to me. That bit of curl shouldn't be causing the filament not to stick.
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Oct 2, 2021 15:06
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poverty goat posted:I opened up the hotend and could see a clog, but it wouldn't come w/ several cold pulls so I ended up removing the nozzle, heating it to 260 and pushing the booger through. Everything passed visual inspection so I put it back together aaaand Is this happening to you? (Read below.) becoming posted:Ender 3 v2 talk - I bought this because my Prusa was no drama; the Ender has delivered! I finally have it printing well and reliably, but I came across an issue that isn't mentioned a whole lot and I wanted to call it out here for others that may experience the same thing. I was having a hell of a time getting the bed leveling right and in going through the entire process meticulously, I discovered that my Z-limit switch was defective: about 10-20% of the time, it would trigger early, before/without physically clicking. If this were all of the time, it would at least be consistent; but it wasn't, and it was leading me to believe that my bed was going out of level. Here's another example of how this can go very wrong (and did): It could also be that you're triggering normally, triggering normally, and then the switch triggers high and you don't stick. But I would test your Z-limit switch, is my point. If it's defective, it's an easy swap, but until you know it's defective, the printer is a loving nightmare. becoming fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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That would perfectly explain what just happened to me, wherein i went from a perfect level to all four corners too high across one failed 30 second print. But this thing is definitely going back to amazon before I peel off any stickers to get to the forbidden screws, or pay to replace the bed and switches to maybe discover some other poo poo that's wrong with it at the other side. If I'd bought it at a garage sale I'd fix it but this piece of poo poo was returned for good reason and has too many problems to let the return window slip by. Terrible product. You all should be ashamed of yourselves for putting up w/ this poo poo and not returning this garbage immediately.
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Oct 2, 2021 15:42
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The Ender 3 Pro isn't as good as the V2 but if you're looking for something solid and very cheap and live near a Micro Center they have them for $100 for new customers when you sign up for an account. You have to buy them in store: https://slickdeals.net/f/15308359-n...-1&src=featured
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Oct 2, 2021 16:32
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Creality's absent quality control and the community's stockholm syndrome about it makes me want to never buy anything from them ever again
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Oct 2, 2021 16:34
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poverty goat posted:You all should be ashamed of yourselves for putting up w/ this poo poo and not returning this garbage immediately. Ah yes all those posts about creality being 100% flawless, we should be ashamed of ourselves
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Oct 2, 2021 17:04
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Enders are great if you're lucky or attach no value to your time. In all honesty, it's why I recommend the Prusa Mini so regularly. The build volume is a bit of a bummer, but $350 all in is hard to beat for a workhorse.
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Yeah... nowhere have I, or anyone else, said the Creality machines are flawless. They’re anything but flawless. But their flaws are easily offset with a few easy to install upgrades, totaling maybe $350 including the machine itself ($250). Or, you buy a Prusa ($750 + shipping + 10hrs assembly time) that has a comparable bed size. You get what you pay for. I mean poo poo, if you’re upset that you might have to swap over a limit switch or Bowden coupler, 3D printing isn’t for you. Hamburlgar fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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Oct 2, 2021 17:11
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If you buy consumer electronics and they don't work out of the box you are insane for paying a dime out of pocket to fix the lovely product yourself. Have a little self respect & hold the manufacturer to account. It's unreasonable for a non-working printer to be what I paid for. I know I can fix it but returning the defective product is what I'm going to do while I can. lol I'm certainly not going to risk voiding the return by peeling the stickers off poverty goat fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Oct 2, 2021 |
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Oct 2, 2021 17:18
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Nice meltdown.
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I tried to think of any other consumer good that regularly ships with huge defects the community pretends are fine, and all I could think of is a Tesla
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Hamburlgar posted:Or, you buy a Prusa ($750 + shipping + 10hrs assembly time) that has a comparable bed size. You get what you pay for. Idk why people act like bed size is the important feature of a 3D printer. Periodically we get newbies in here posting their own research and comparing the prices and size of print area, and it always feels like someone sperging about whether this year's Corolla or Civic has more horsepower. Maybe it's because there aren't a whole lot of other specs to focus on? It completely misses the point of what's important in a printer, though. The Creality beds are like, what, 3 cm larger? That's meaningless except in edge cases. I almost never need to print anything that won't fit on a Prusa or Ender bed anyway. In the cases that I do, I can easily design the parts to be glued or mechanically fastened together. I can also ask myself if I really need to 3D print a 24" long stick or whatever, or if maybe there's a different process that is more appropriate for the part. Also, the larger the bed, the more exaggerated the effects of poor calibration will be. There's no point having a 40cm bed if you can't use the outside third because it's constantly warped and can't be trued everywhere simultaneously. You do get what you pay for with the Prusas: reliability, quality control, and support. We've rehashed the differences a billion times in this thread. For some people loving around with the printer is a hobby in itself, for others it's just a tool that is expected to work. Different target markets.
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Hamburlgar posted:Nice meltdown. I mean I'm of the mind that yes, you'll always have to tinker, but the hot glue and tinned leads are enough to steer people away. The E3v2 is an incomplete product and that's not what most people sign up to buy when they spend that kind of money on something 
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poverty goat posted:Creality's absent quality control and the community's stockholm syndrome about it makes me want to never buy anything from them ever again I agree with the sentiment, but the one Creality printer I'd recommend is the 5/5 Pro. Literally the only upgrades I've done to it is use the same magnetic plates I use on my Anycubic Mega Zero 2 and print some support struts and its quickly become my favourite machine. Even the communities behind the Creality stuff is way overhyped compared to the Anycubic ones.
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GonadTheBallbarian posted:I mean I'm of the mind that yes, you'll always have to tinker, but the hot glue and tinned leads are enough to steer people away. The E3v2 is an incomplete product and that's not what most people sign up to buy when they spend that kind of money on something I'm not afraid of tinkering, I've spent hours on this printer already and I'd be happy to build one completely from a kit if the value was right, but I have to insist that the box includes a full set of working parts
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Before buying you have to decide whether you want your hobby to be 3d printing, or tinkering with 3d printers. (no judgement)
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Oct 2, 2021 18:21
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My 5 plus has been great. A few issues along the way, a couple bolts on the hot end came loose, limit switch failed on one axis, but all pretty quick and inexpensive to fix.
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poverty goat posted:I'm not afraid of tinkering, I've spent hours on this printer already and I'd be happy to build one completely from a kit if the value was right, but I have to insist that the box includes a full set of working parts Didn't assume you were averse to it, just didn't think your reaction rose to a "meltdown" is all. Hopefully creality uses its recent successes to improve their products/business so it doesn't continue! Apologies for being unclear
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poverty goat posted:I opened up the hotend and could see a clog, but it wouldn't come w/ several cold pulls so I ended up removing the nozzle, heating it to 260 and pushing the booger through. Everything passed visual inspection so I put it back together aaaand I would change it. It’s not the worst I’ve seen, but it’s worth eliminating that variable. poverty goat posted:If you buy consumer electronics and they don't work out of the box you are insane for paying a dime out of pocket to fix the lovely product yourself. Have a little self respect & hold the manufacturer to account. It's unreasonable for a non-working printer to be what I paid for. I know I can fix it but returning the defective product is what I'm going to do while I can. lol 3d printers really aren’t ‘consumer electronics’ yet. Best get that out of your head right now. They are ‘hobbyist’ at best. Prusa is getting close, but each individual machine, filament roll/resin bottle, and printing environment throws too many variables into the mix to make it an appliance. I would liken them to a nice 268/386 PC from around 1990. There are some you can just buy and use out of the box, but most of them require a level of knowledge to really get working properly.
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Doctor Zero posted:3d printers really aren’t ‘consumer electronics’ yet. Best get that out of your head right now. They are ‘hobbyist’ at best. Prusa is getting close, but each individual machine, filament roll/resin bottle, and printing environment throws too many variables into the mix to make it an appliance. I would liken them to a nice 268/386 PC from around 1990. There are some you can just buy and use out of the box, but most of them require a level of knowledge to really get working properly. I'm drawing the line though at the parts included being fully defective out of the box, with longtime defects the company has been aware of and neglected to fix.
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Doctor Zero posted:3d printers really aren’t ‘consumer electronics’ yet. Best get that out of your head right now. They are ‘hobbyist’ at best. Prusa is getting close, but each individual machine, filament roll/resin bottle, and printing environment throws too many variables into the mix to make it an appliance. I would liken them to a nice 268/386 PC from around 1990. There are some you can just buy and use out of the box, but most of them require a level of knowledge to really get working properly. I feel like this needs to be reinforced over and over and over again. 3d printing is an activity where you can potentially waste hours of your time because a roll of filament showed up slightly wet despite being in a nice, perfectly vacuum-sealed pouch. I know I've been lucky with my printers, but I've wasted drastically more time due to software issues or filament consistency problems than I ever have because of actual printer defects.
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Imo if your new $250 electronics don't work at all out of the box the right thing to do is never to void the warranty trying to fix it yourself at your own cost. But maybe that's just me lol
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3D printers are tools, not consumer electronics, and like all tools they require setup, tuning, and maintenance.
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My printer did not come with a complete set of working parts and no amount of tuning will make it usable without replacing them
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Bodanarko posted:Aren’t you talking about an open box/bezos refurbished product anyways? Advertised as usable Tbh it was just listed as open box, in new packaging but it has clearly been assembled, disassembled and returned before, yeah. But it wasn't cheap enough to have to refurbish it myself.
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poverty goat posted:Advertised as usable There’s issues with creality QC and many obvious flaws with ender 3/pro/V2 out of the box but it seems like your gripes should be pointed more at rocket boy than hobbyist 3D printing goons in this case
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Bodanarko posted:There’s issues with creality QC and many obvious flaws with ender 3/pro/V2 out of the box but it seems like your gripes should be pointed more at rocket boy than hobbyist 3D printing goons in this case You'll never convince me that creality is cool and good for continuing to ship printers with useless warped beds after the problems came to light. If nerds had held them to account like literally any tool or computer supplier would be for shipping defective equipment maybe they'd have had reason to get their poo poo together.
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poverty goat posted:You'll never convince me that creality is cool and good for continuing to ship printers with useless warped beds after the problems came to light. If nerds had held them to account like literally any tool or computer supplier would be for shipping defective equipment maybe they'd have had reason to get their poo poo together. Somebody tried to hold them accountable and send their defective machine back. You decided to buy it and then throw a tizzy.
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YouTubeTekReviewer posted:Somebody tried to hold them accountable and send their defective machine back. You decided to buy it and then throw a tizzy. After 3 days of the community telling me these problems are normal, have been around for years and I should just pay to fix them. You guys would have told the other guy to keep it too.
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