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Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
Still the most easily-trolled thread on these forums, ignoring bad posts is impossible even though the white demon Lowtax gave us the gift of the Ignore button

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Eararaldor
Jul 30, 2007
Fanboys, ruining gaming since the 1980's

Oh dear me posted:

Jess Phillips has a 10000 majority as Labour. I'd think MPs in Conservative target seats are the most likely culprits.

Jess Phillips is also the type of MP with an ego so big, she assumes that the voters vote for her and not the party.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I have no more space on my ignore list.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Oh dear me posted:

Jess Phillips has a 10000 majority as Labour. I'd think MPs in Conservative target seats are the most likely culprits.

I doubt there are 3 Labour MPs who have the winning combination of:
A) charismatic enough that they'd maintain a winning vote-share even after crossing the floor; and
B) actually likely to join the Tories.

Remember that the last time Labour MPs jumped ship, they all lost pretty spectacularly when they next had to contest a seat.

This is probably a Mandelson leak, to lower expectations so that when no-one leaves and polling numbers dip another 5-6 points, it will be a success that Keith's held the party together as opposed to a moribund leader dragging the party with him as he falls off a cliff.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Ash Crimson posted:

the socialist utopia we all lust for will never be attained whilst we shackle ourselves to england...

Surely... there must be something we can do to rid ourselves of a population that election after election, consistantly return some of the worst people ruling us whilst simultainously dealing a deathblow to an abomination of a state

Oh well

Travel back in time and tick yes when asked if you'd like to leave?

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

IT IS ME.
🧑‍💼
I AM THERESA MAY


Communist Thoughts posted:

Travel back in time and tick yes when asked if you'd like to leave?
If u think about it the entire situation is really every single Scottish person's fault

(realtalk, the "all English people bad y/n" derails are the most tedious loving thing that ever happens in this thread, it's so loving hard not to bite, can we please just ban it)

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

kingturnip posted:

I doubt there are 3 Labour MPs who have the winning combination of:
A) charismatic enough that they'd maintain a winning vote-share even after crossing the floor; and
B) actually likely to join the Tories.

Remember that the last time Labour MPs jumped ship, they all lost pretty spectacularly when they next had to contest a seat.

This is probably a Mandelson leak, to lower expectations so that when no-one leaves and polling numbers dip another 5-6 points, it will be a success that Keith's held the party together as opposed to a moribund leader dragging the party with him as he falls off a cliff.

Yeah but this assumes MPs are rational and conscious of their own shortcomings, whereas everything since social media became a thing would suggest otherwise

Mourning Due
Oct 11, 2004

*~ missin u ~*
:canada:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58777034

First: running in an ironed shirt and dress shoes, what a loving idiot.



Second: these utterly pitiful policies are more interesting to me than Kier's "spy on you neighbours via WhatsApp" tentpole.

Their logic reminds me of Corbyn in 2017: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british, where he wasn't going against immigration or immigrants, but saying the economy is hosed up if employers can abuse immigrants at pitiful wages, and instead jobs must provide wages and conditions attractive to any employees, British or otherwise.

And yeah, money for sport facilities in poor areas, sure, that's positive.

This should have been the most open of goals for Kier and I can't believe how bad he and his mates have hosed it.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.

Borrovan posted:

If u think about it the entire situation is really every single Scottish person's fault

(realtalk, the "all English people bad y/n" derails are the most tedious loving thing that ever happens in this thread, it's so loving hard not to bite, can we please just ban it)

No, let the xenophobic racists out themselves. Call it what it is.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Mourning Due posted:

This should have been the most open of goals for Kier and I can't believe how bad he and his mates have hosed it.

Well, it's hard when they don't agree with any of those goals and infact think the opposite.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Seems the forums are no longer readable unless you sign in.

My weekends policy was not to sign in and to read on an old ipad so (a) I wouldn't get drawn in to commenting but would not be faced with 350 posts to read on a Monday which would either be something politically big happened or a lengthy discussion on potato-based snacks, (b) would not have to put the main laptop on and thereby get sucked in to facebook, messenger, doing a bit of bank reconciliations for work, reading all the papers I can 'for free' dodging between browsers and different email signins to max out the freebies.

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
It’s because of the press and that crazy dude who shot some anti-vax/proud boy’s toes off after repeatedly posting about how he was going to do a violence

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

learnincurve posted:

It’s because of the press and that crazy dude who shot some anti-vax/proud boy’s toes off after repeatedly posting about how he was going to do a violence

Oh I missed that!

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Oh I missed that!

Some of the CSPAM USPol threads attract weird people.

serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
Especially when people pointing out that this guy was a whack job were getting probated for trolling.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

a lengthy discussion on potato-based snacks,
outrageous exclusion of the superior rice- or corn-based snack options :colbert:

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
The guy who shot Tiny Toese (in the tiny toes) was a goon? And people said these forums were irrelevant.

hand-fed baby bird
May 13, 2009

TACD posted:

outrageous exclusion of the superior rice- or corn-based snack options :colbert:

Yeah all that’s great and not at all tiresome.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


goddamnedtwisto posted:

The guy who shot Tiny Toese (in the tiny toes) was a goon? And people said these forums were irrelevant.

Yes. Noted fascist oval office Andy Ngo wrote about it for some scummy paper. Noted "I got hit by a milkshake but it was secretly full of concrete & gave me permanent brain damage, honest" twat Andy Ngo.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe
Oh yeah last night I was tired and emotional, in both senses of the term, so apologies to all for biting on the obvious troll

I will however repeat that there's a word for someone who considers people inferior based purely on what side of an imaginary line they happen to live, and invite people to contemplate what they're saying when they do that.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Why would you even go to the trouble of shooting antivaxxers' toes off when you could just wait for them to accidentally tread on a thorn or something?

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

forkboy84 posted:

Yes. Noted fascist oval office Andy Ngo wrote about it for some scummy paper. Noted "I got hit by a milkshake but it was secretly full of concrete & gave me permanent brain damage, honest" twat Andy Ngo.

What was interesting to me was how fast cspam turned on one of their posters who did something, ill-advised as it was. They nominally flip-flop between nothing-can-ever-be-done nihilism and call-to-arms violent activism rhetoric. Now apparently they never advocated violence and have always been useless nihilists. They even played down how dangerous the proud boys are as an organisation. Truly the vanguard of the revolution.

jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Mourning Due posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58777034

First: running in an ironed shirt and dress shoes, what a loving idiot.



Second: these utterly pitiful policies are more interesting to me than Kier's "spy on you neighbours via WhatsApp" tentpole.

Their logic reminds me of Corbyn in 2017: https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2017/07/jeremy-corbyn-wholesale-eu-immigration-has-destroyed-conditions-british, where he wasn't going against immigration or immigrants, but saying the economy is hosed up if employers can abuse immigrants at pitiful wages, and instead jobs must provide wages and conditions attractive to any employees, British or otherwise.

And yeah, money for sport facilities in poor areas, sure, that's positive.

This should have been the most open of goals for Kier and I can't believe how bad he and his mates have hosed it.

That's a normal face colour for a man who runs often.

The Tories are bound to announce something at conference though, Johnson won't be able to resist. From the way he's been talking about wage growth being all that matters I wouldn't be surprised if they announced an increase in the minimum wage to £10 or more.

I mean it's already £8.90, it wouldn't cost anything in government spending, and it would absolutely destroy Keith "Vote Labour for £10 an hour after the next election" Starmer.

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Regarde Aduck posted:

What was interesting to me was how fast cspam turned on one of their posters who did something, ill-advised as it was. They nominally flip-flop between nothing-can-ever-be-done nihilism and call-to-arms violent activism rhetoric. Now apparently they never advocated violence and have always been useless nihilists. They even played down how dangerous the proud boys are as an organisation. Truly the vanguard of the revolution.

that and there was definite proof that outsiders sympathetic to right wing militias were reading the forum , almost certainly active security service members , so at that point you’d have to be a real Extinction Rebellion brain genius to come out and say it was good and i want to do it myself and here is my IP address and chat history

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Jakabite posted:

Not possible, I’d have heard of such an annoying poster by now.

Im out of the U.K. on mainland europe right now and let me say, the euros are finding our woes absolutely hilarious. I really can’t blame them.

During Brexit when I told people I was from the UK I'd get a sort of nervous laugh and usually they'd ask what I thought about it. These days I tend to get a look of concern and poorly hidden pity and embarrassment.

A British accent still gives you a weird amount of borrowed authority and people deferring to you though, my partner has commented before that I get treated quite differently to her by strangers when I speak English. I don't know whether people just feel less confident in their second language around a native speaker, if Americans fetishizing British accents as a marker of being smart and cultured has bled through elsewhere thanks to the ubiquity of their TV and movies, or what. But it is noticeable.

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib
22 mil for tennis courts? What about the boat house, that's what I'm asking!
A knackered tennis court is a reasonably good place to contain a small game of footy and various other team games. Restoring them so that only a few people can play only tennis on them is a total waste of money. It makes them a far less useful space and they'll fall into disrepair rapidly. The council where I grew up spent a load of money renovating their old tennis court into... a skatepark. More than two people can use it at once and it facilitates an activity the local kids are interested in.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
that girl won and got in all the papers though so tennis is cool right now

therattle
Jul 24, 2007
Soiled Meat

Endjinneer posted:

22 mil for tennis courts? What about the boat house, that's what I'm asking!
A knackered tennis court is a reasonably good place to contain a small game of footy and various other team games. Restoring them so that only a few people can play only tennis on them is a total waste of money. It makes them a far less useful space and they'll fall into disrepair rapidly. The council where I grew up spent a load of money renovating their old tennis court into... a skatepark. More than two people can use it at once and it facilitates an activity the local kids are interested in.

They recently redid our local tennis courts at Finsbury Park and they are pretty solidly booked from 7am-8pm, and solidly booked during weekends. They also run tennis camps and after school lessons for kids. There is a real mix of people using the courts. There is a skate park right next door and a lot of space for football. Tennis can absolutely be a part of a council’s recreational offering. It becomes elitist when there are not decent reasonably priced (£3/hr off peak, £6/hr peak or floodlit) facilities available to the public.

therattle fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Oct 3, 2021

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Right now wind is up to 43.8% of our electricity generation, plus 12% solar, with gas down to 18.6%. Hopefully the return of wind the last week or so is blunting the worst of gas prices on our electricity bills...

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

As someone who plays workers and resources soviet republic, and therefore is qualified to make public service planning decisions, tennis courts are strictly inferior to football because you can fit 22 people on a football pitch at a time, but only 2 on a tennis court. Football is the sport of the proletariat and space-efficient planning enthusiast. Were I to cater to the whims of the tennis people there would be less space for train factories.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Four people.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

The people's socialist republic apparently has not invented doubles, so it's 2 in game :v:

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

therattle posted:

They recently redid our local tennis courts at Finsbury Park and they are pretty solidly booked from 7am-8pm, and solidly booked during weekends. They also run tennis camps and after school lessons for kids. There is a real mix of people using the courts. There is a skate park right next door and a lot of space for football. Tennis can absolutely be a part of a council’s recreational offering. It becomes elitist when there are not decent reasonably priced (£3/hr off peak, £6/hr peak or floodlit) facilities available to the public.

I used to live beside a school, and right beside their two outdoor free gravel tennis courts.
50 weeks of the year, nothing, nada, zilch. Even the school barely used it.
Wimbledon fortnight, assholes shouting all day until dusk that it was in or out, that it was their turn, or climbing into our yards to get balls back.
Hated tennis with a passion, it took over the TV all day, and it was outside so couldn't escape it.
Still think its poo poo and won't watch it.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Regarde Aduck posted:

What was interesting to me was how fast cspam turned on one of their posters who did something, ill-advised as it was. They nominally flip-flop between nothing-can-ever-be-done nihilism and call-to-arms violent activism rhetoric. Now apparently they never advocated violence and have always been useless nihilists. They even played down how dangerous the proud boys are as an organisation. Truly the vanguard of the revolution.

I dunno, it's a reasonable if slightly cynical reaction. Certain goons are obsessed with CSPAM being closed down for whatever reason & they were drooling at the prospect of using this nonsense as an excuse to make that happen. Plus yeah, calling for armed insurrection/propaganda of the deed on a public forum which has increased scrutiny on it after this? Unwise to put it mildly. I'd also add that tbh the line between "lol nothing matters" nihilism/despair & feeling attracted to political violence is pretty thin so to me the duality isn't really that surprising.

I mostly like CSPAM but the USPol threads are really not worth even glancing at. But then that's true of D&D too, except most threads in D&D except this one can be ignored because it's a forum filled with melty libs.

OwlFancier posted:

As someone who plays workers and resources soviet republic, and therefore is qualified to make public service planning decisions, tennis courts are strictly inferior to football because you can fit 22 people on a football pitch at a time, but only 2 on a tennis court. Football is the sport of the proletariat and space-efficient planning enthusiast. Were I to cater to the whims of the tennis people there would be less space for train factories.

Wait until you hear about doubles tennis!

My hot take is that tennis was pretty fun to play even though like most sports I was utterly gash at it. gently caress, even cricket was fun to play & I'd sooner drink bleach than watch that. Some of the best PE lessons in school were when we did field hockey & I got to dress up in all this old goalkeeper kit, great craic.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Mixed doubles are bourgeois morality.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Guavanaut posted:

Mixed doubles are bourgeois morality.

Mixed doubles are for 1920's well to do lower upper class 20 year olds called Crispin and Fanny.

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
I also missed the news about the toe shooting. That's what we get for not fully exploring the SA forums. Now that it's registered users only, I'm looking forward to welcoming new posters NotACop1488 and FriendOfAntifa and their insightful discussions on the political and legal systems.

big scary monsters posted:

During Brexit when I told people I was from the UK I'd get a sort of nervous laugh and usually they'd ask what I thought about it. These days I tend to get a look of concern and poorly hidden pity and embarrassment.

Shortly after the referendum I on a family holiday in Germany and a security guard in a museum offered us his commiserations when he overheard us speaking English. My family is neatly split down the middle about Brexit and the poor man was politely informed that this was all Merkel's fault.

I suppose he thought that Brits who travel might have been more likely to value the EU's freedom of movement. Nope! They really underestimated the level of spite in the population.

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

OwlFancier posted:

As someone who plays workers and resources soviet republic, and therefore is qualified to make public service planning decisions, tennis courts are strictly inferior to football because you can fit 22 people on a football pitch at a time, but only 2 on a tennis court. Football is the sport of the proletariat and space-efficient planning enthusiast. Were I to cater to the whims of the tennis people there would be less space for train factories.

How many tennis courts fit into the same space as a single football pitch?

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

Mourning Due posted:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58777034

First: running in an ironed shirt and dress shoes, what a loving idiot.





https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1444677188830253056

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Nothingtoseehere
Nov 11, 2010


jabby posted:

That's a normal face colour for a man who runs often.

The Tories are bound to announce something at conference though, Johnson won't be able to resist. From the way he's been talking about wage growth being all that matters I wouldn't be surprised if they announced an increase in the minimum wage to £10 or more.

I mean it's already £8.90, it wouldn't cost anything in government spending, and it would absolutely destroy Keith "Vote Labour for £10 an hour after the next election" Starmer.

There's plenty of public sector workers on under £10 an hour they'd suddenly have to pay more to, but then they could use it as another excuse for civil servants not to get a pay rise - all the money went on paying your poorer colleages more.

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