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https://twitter.com/SupervisorFoley/status/1444570035041697794?s=20 126,000-gallon oil spill in Southern California. The slick is 5.8 nautical miles and has hit the beach.
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Oct 3, 2021 17:02
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lol the oil spill is canceling the cultural display of our most flagrant and weaponized avatar of fossil fuel consumption
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Oct 3, 2021 17:22
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MightyBigMinus posted:lol the oil spill is canceling the cultural display of our most flagrant and weaponized avatar of fossil fuel consumption It got the local Fleet Week canceled? Oh, no, just a large air show. Laaaaaame.
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Oct 3, 2021 17:30
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I'm laughing that lovely tech libs favorite place to go is getting wreckt. I feel bad for the dolphins n poo poo but omg we can't go to the Catalina wine mixer
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Oct 3, 2021 17:32
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FistEnergy posted:anything musk touches is guaranteed to be an incredibly expensive boondoggle that sucks up public money and fails to make the world's problems even a tiny bit better i mean i think spacex is still doing interesting space stuff. i'm not making any kind of case that it's at all good for the planet as a whole, though, as that wasn't the point of the original comment OhFunny posted:https://twitter.com/SupervisorFoley/status/1444570035041697794?s=20 loving revolting just wish we could nationalize and shut down these fucks already https://twitter.com/SupervisorFoley/status/1444572390789292032?s=20
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Oct 3, 2021 17:38
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MightyBigMinus posted:lol the oil spill is canceling the cultural display of our most flagrant and weaponized avatar of fossil fuel consumption Surprised they're not chomping at the bit to strut their poo poo over yet another rapidly expanding oil/fire ravaged wasteland
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Oct 3, 2021 17:42
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Cloks posted:I'm reading 2052 because it was recommended in this thread and there's a whole lot of "we didn't do that and things are worse now" since this was published in 2012 I personally enjoyed 2052 because of all of the short guest essays sprinkled throughout the book. Here's the 16 page summary for those who don't want to read it: http://www.2052.info/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/p121031-2052-5000-word-summary-Randers-memo-3.pdf
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Oct 3, 2021 18:08
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I think you will love this translation https://old.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/q0i542/this_horror_film_will_go_to_its_final_paroxysm/ by a redditor of a very moving (but dense) article by a french sociologist.
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Oct 3, 2021 19:19
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mediaphage posted:the space shuttle was an overly expensive boondoggle, you probably should not point to its lack of continuance as a bad thing I posted a bit back where an Elon trip to the moon is going to cost 16 launches, 1 for a fuel depot, 14 to fill it, and 1 for the starship. https://www.theverge.com/platform/amp/2021/9/29/22689729/blue-origin-moon-lunar-lander-price-nasa-hls-foia
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Oct 3, 2021 19:36
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nomad2020 posted:I posted a bit back where an Elon trip to the moon is going to cost 16 launches, 1 for a fuel depot, 14 to fill it, and 1 for the starship. How the gently caress is his design this much worse than a rocket built in the 60s? I mean, it's good evidence that collective action is capable of better things than leaving it all to corporations
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Oct 3, 2021 19:44
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Few things have ever given me the sense of accomplishment i felt the first time i successfully docked two Kerbal spacecraft in orbit but that's because it really was an incredible pain in the rear end. So here's my idea: let's do it fifteen times for one trip.
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Oct 3, 2021 19:49
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nomad2020 posted:I posted a bit back where an Elon trip to the moon is going to cost 16 launches, 1 for a fuel depot, 14 to fill it, and 1 for the starship. i’m aware of this but if they can do it for cheaper with other fuel and reusable components, who cares i don’t think this is really a big deal, the saturn v was capable of sending 90klbs to trans lunar insertion, starship is set to be able to take two and a half times that or more
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Oct 3, 2021 19:58
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NASA did it in one trip because even though they had a Presidential remit, they had funding constraints. SpaceX will do it in 15 because they're being paid by the hour. Because the private sector is ALWAYS more efficient than anything BIG GUBBERMINT can do!  
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Oct 3, 2021 19:58
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kaxman posted:Few things have ever given me the sense of accomplishment i felt the first time i successfully docked two Kerbal spacecraft in orbit but that's because it really was an incredible pain in the rear end. imagine taking 1,200+ metrics tons in a single stage from LEO to the Moon's surface and back again after docking for refueling 15 times only a visionary like Musk could bring us such sub-Kerbal design ethos
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Oct 3, 2021 20:00
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Hubbert posted:I personally enjoyed 2052 because of all of the short guest essays sprinkled throughout the book. yeah, the guest essays are interesting. i was struggling with them because i didn't agree with them ideologically but realizing that they're supposed to be realistic helped me enjoy them. hate the public/private agreements but yeah, no way they're not happening
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Oct 3, 2021 20:14
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vc bio succ https://twitter.com/sama/status/1444690488330571778 https://twitter.com/sama/status/1444690490469715968
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Oct 3, 2021 20:20
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all the plastic poisoning talk reminded me of a thing there's a million "lifehack" videos promoting this on brazilian youtube btw also, searching back led me to this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVE6zpaEDQM grandma nooooo 
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Oct 3, 2021 20:22
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I'm dropping this here because I figure it's apt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jjl2aomHrLQ Even though it sounds like a breakup song, the message is Mother Nature admonishing Mankind for destroying the planet. Also, 40 year old post-graduate, no plans to have any children, also no hope whatsoever for counteracting the doom headed our way. If anything, my job gives me a grimmer peek at the future. Even the judicious application of  s will just spawn fresh new evil from the hearts of men like a hydra, because for every unrepentant planet killing CEO and hundred-billionaire there are fifty underlings who'd kill him and his entire bloodline for a chance to be the next in line for their throne, and if millions or billions have to die for that to happen, so be it. Fixing the planet is impossible if you don't fix the failing in humanity first, or remove humanity from the equation.
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Oct 3, 2021 20:38
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bagual posted:all the plastic poisoning talk reminded me of a thing 
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Oct 3, 2021 20:39
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bagual posted:all the plastic poisoning talk reminded me of a thing gently caress this. Fuuuuuuuuuuck
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Oct 3, 2021 21:03
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Thanks for the music recs. Sadly, the only band I find fitting anymore is Anaal Nathrakh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwG0J78ibMw. Not really lol lmao but at least it speaks to my anger. Also, I think it's here that I saw someone recommending Blessed is the Flame. This is a nice read, thanks. --- Edit Cattle Decapitation is appropriate too 
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Oct 3, 2021 21:23
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Car Hater posted:Lol you and I have squabbled over communism and I agree overall having done similar amounts of drugs and writing before so don't want to be a dick but c'mon, you're not cracking your ping hard enough. We've been in a cult/doomed since we split off from chimps instead of bonobos. The wrong lineage spawned from the great apes got going with the big brains, and what resulted is not fit to build [hypothetical sustainable civilization]. And sure, we can call that hypothetical communism if we like, but nothing functional is ever going to come out of the junkie monkey addiction to coal and oil so we can't really imagine/name it. At the moment, in our conditions, communism/socialism has no utopian content. Whatever is capable of surviving the mass extinction event will be what does, and whatever that life is cannot and won't be capitalist. 'Communism' is now a grim march to unfuckify the biosphere over epochs, if it is anything. Where the specifics of our respective crack-pings levels seem to differ is that you're saying there's a neutral, transhistorical human species-being defined by being "hardwired for self-interest and politicking", and I'm saying there's a onto/theo/political a priori that comes before that, and therefore no such thing as a 'human' ever existed. The status of the existence of something like a human is retroactive - only from the perspective of a fully realized communism could we say that there was something like a human, something like a human history, something like the kind of species-being you're talking about. If we can no longer anticipate or participate in such a perspective without being delusional, then there is no longer any basis on which to construct the hypothesis of such an essence. Post-human consciousness is the realization that you're not human, you never were, because there is not and never was any such thing as a human being. If the truth of something is its function, what it does - then what there is, concretely, geologically, is just another mass extinction event. Humans were a dream that a mass extinction event had.
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Oct 3, 2021 21:26
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kaxman posted:Few things have ever given me the sense of accomplishment i felt the first time i successfully docked two Kerbal spacecraft in orbit but that's because it really was an incredible pain in the rear end.
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Oct 3, 2021 21:57
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Oct 3, 2021 22:02
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bagual posted:all the plastic poisoning talk reminded me of a thing lmao omg
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Oct 3, 2021 22:04
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I can't think of a witty reply but 
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Oct 3, 2021 23:06
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splifyphus posted:At the moment, in our conditions, communism/socialism has no utopian content. Whatever is capable of surviving the mass extinction event will be what does, and whatever that life is cannot and won't be capitalist. 'Communism' is now a grim march to unfuckify the biosphere over epochs, if it is anything. Ohhhh ok yeah I think we're 100% on the same page of the book but reading/writing in a different language. I look in the mirror and I see a flesh-thing with a bunch of preprogrammed and acquired I/O loops, operating in an environment made of other flesh-things which are themselves also mere extensions of the Source, i.e. whichever chemical precursor got itself into a bunch and became RNA. Self-replication is the only true objective at the base level, Power is required to self-replicate, politics is the manner by which actors within a system determine the distribution of Power through the system, and hence, all life engages in self-interested politicking whether it is aware of it or not. A small group of flesh-things has found a way to win the game forever, and is playing that play to the hilt no matter that it will end the game. I definitely agree with you that the notion of species is specious at best, and that this is the natural outcome of extreme success - another mass extinction. I was just taking communism to mean "classless stateless industrial society" rather than "whatever shape the stage of organization that must necessarily arise for society to continue functioning and not collapse from the contradictions of capitalism takes", and unfortunately imo galactic civ level success is predicated on NOT being made up of flesh-things that fit the ecological niche of "omnivorous hyper-competitive apex predator turned farmer" and thus hopefully not doing capitalism in the first place. Car Hater has issued a correction as of 23:59 on Oct 3, 2021 |
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Oct 3, 2021 23:08
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Capitalism is a process of destroying the Earth by mollifying the population with vices they're unwilling to give up. Communism - as we've seen it executed thus far - is a process whereby the Party Elite enjoy capitalist excess and vices while intimidating the proletariat into being merely content with the privilege to exist...while also destroying the planet with inefficient and wasteful means of production. It's poo poo, all the way down. At least with Capitalism we have so many wonderful flavors of Rice-A-Roni to enjoy! 
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Oct 3, 2021 23:49
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Capitalism is a process of destroying the Earth by mollifying the population with vices they're unwilling to give up. yeah you can always tell a victim of the prison industrial complex with a conversation about ramen noodles or soup making a spread hoarding flavor packets this can buy life or death 
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Oct 3, 2021 23:55
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Capitalism is a process of destroying the Earth by mollifying the population with vices they're unwilling to give up. As I said to a friend last week when they were confused why the CCP seems to be beelining for extinction "despite past long term planning on large scales of their communist government" : The problem is the means of production, not who has seized them.
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Oct 4, 2021 01:41
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Rime posted:The problem is the means of production, not who has seized them.
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Oct 4, 2021 01:49
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Rime posted:As I said to a friend last week when they were confused why the CCP seems to be beelining for extinction "despite past long term planning on large scales of their communist government" : china is making thorium reactors though, they have serious plans to curb co2
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Oct 4, 2021 01:52
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wow just in time for it to not matter
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Oct 4, 2021 01:56
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Chamale posted:How the gently caress is his design this much worse than a rocket built in the 60s? I mean, it's good evidence that collective action is capable of better things than leaving it all to corporations the billionaires collectively have the intelligence of a couple goldfish but an ego to say do it my way
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Oct 4, 2021 01:56
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I'm honestly looking forward to what sort of Great Wall 2.0/Hyper Dome China throws together over the next couple of decades. Not that it will actually work, but the effort would be impressive to watch.
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Oct 4, 2021 02:05
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Rutibex posted:...they have serious plans to curb co2 Until it inconveniences them in the slightest or puts them at a marked economic disadvantage. Any "green initiatives" won't survive any major financial catastrophes because The Number is all that's important, and all must clap for Tinkerbell.  I also haven't heard anything about any serious plans to curb their CFC and/or methane emissions. And if your only response to this is something to the tune of "what about [every other country that pollutes that isn't glorious infallible China]," please spare me. We're all assholes, and we've all got it coming.
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Oct 4, 2021 02:09
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Until it inconveniences them in the slightest or puts them at a marked economic disadvantage. Any "green initiatives" won't survive any major financial catastrophes because The Number is all that's important, and all must clap for Tinkerbell. maybe china will do a nuclear first strike on the west  i'm sure you could calculate dust from nuclear winter type effects vs 100 years of continued oil use and figure out which one is best for the climate
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Oct 4, 2021 02:14
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A Terrible Person posted:I'm honestly looking forward to what sort of Great Wall 2.0/Hyper Dome China throws together over the next couple of decades. It's more like a series of grand canals.
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Oct 4, 2021 02:24
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Rutibex posted:maybe china will do a nuclear first strike on the west nuclear winter is largely a myth their results were like if 100 firestorms, each a result of the catastrophic destruction of a city, were all set ablaze, global temps would drop by 1C
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Oct 4, 2021 02:30
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