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https://i.imgur.com/ttNVagz.gifv http://www.hiphoptrooper.com/
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Wasn’t there recently an entire comic book series based on Lucas’s insane original concept for The Star Wars?
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Oct 3, 2021 23:28
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Hazo posted:Wasn’t there recently an entire comic book series based on Lucas’s insane original concept for The Star Wars? There was one done by Marvel called ”The Star Wars” in 2013-14 that was reprinted later with the various Infinities alternate timeline stories from the early 00s.
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Oct 4, 2021 03:45
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Yeah, it was a neat concept for a comic book but the story just plain sucked. What we got in 1977 was way better.
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Oct 4, 2021 05:32
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What was the original story
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Oct 4, 2021 16:05
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It’s just The Hidden Fortress
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Oct 4, 2021 16:17
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I don’t know what that is.
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Oct 4, 2021 17:44
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It's a movie, one that star wars cribs from... more than liberally. But Google Star Wars original script and you can read The Star Wars: From The Journal of Whillis or whatever it's called.
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Oct 4, 2021 17:51
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Does the rebel insignia actually appear in the first trilogy?
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Oct 4, 2021 17:55
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:It's a movie, one that star wars cribs from... more than liberally. It's even namedropped!
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Oct 4, 2021 17:57
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Baron Porkface posted:Does the rebel insignia actually appear in the first trilogy? It's on Luke's pilot helmet. My guess is it was retconned into being the Rebel insignia like the Enterprise ship's insignia became the Federation insignia
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Oct 4, 2021 17:59
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A few different pilots had the logo on their helmets, so it wasn't just Luke at least. My guess is that it was supposed to be the Rebel logo from the start - costume designer John Mollo did specific work on the different faction insignias. The Imperial symbol went through a number of revisions:  And the circular design wasn't the first one - the earlier designs actually had more of a Star Trek feel:  So it's possible Lucas didn't like the arrowhead version of the Imperial logo for the bad guys, so Mollo incorporated that feeling of upward motion into his (at the time) rounder logo for the Rebellion:  Mollo's sketches for the sequel would also use the familiar symbol as the baseline on his Rebel costumes: 
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Oct 4, 2021 18:30
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Robot Style posted:A few different pilots had the logo on their helmets, so it wasn't just Luke at least. *sheev voice* the logo of the FIRST GALACTIC EMPIRE shall by my decree be a blueberry pie as viewed from above *thunderous applause*
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Oct 4, 2021 22:39
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I find it somewhat difficult to reconcile the first two pieces of concept art, which appears to have been drawn by an enthusiastic 10-year-old, with the incredible work done by Ralph McQuarrie. Also: The character on the right's combination of goggles plus pursed (or maybe actually compressed?? who knows) lips just works for me.
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Oct 4, 2021 23:22
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Sombrerotron posted:I find it somewhat difficult to reconcile the first two pieces of concept art, which appears to have been drawn by an enthusiastic 10-year-old, with the incredible work done by Ralph McQuarrie. There's a big leap in quality in Mollo's drawings for Empire compared to the first movie, but that might be due to Star Wars being the first movie he was the costume designer for. Prior to that he was a military uniform buff, and worked as a historical advisor on stuff like Barry Lyndon, where he probably didn't actually have to do much illustration.
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Oct 4, 2021 23:53
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McQuarrie paints starbirds on the pilots helmets in his ESB concept art but I've never seen it on his Star Wars work and I've never seen it in Mollo's Star Wars work. I can't remember if the generic plane helmet + blue starbird is in Star Wars but it's definitely in ESB (Dack and others). I don't think it's on any uniforms in ROTJ but it's possible. The sequels seem to have started putting it on uniforms
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Oct 5, 2021 03:27
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Sombrerotron posted:I find it somewhat difficult to reconcile the first two pieces of concept art, which appears to have been drawn by an enthusiastic 10-year-old, with the incredible work done by Ralph McQuarrie. A lot of people worked on Star Wars, and not every sketch in the ideation phase is going to be a classic masterpiece.
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Oct 5, 2021 03:30
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Sombrerotron posted:I find it somewhat difficult to reconcile the first two pieces of concept art, which appears to have been drawn by an enthusiastic 10-year-old, with the incredible work done by Ralph McQuarrie. not all of this stuff was originally intended for public consumption. mcquarrie is the outlier here, not the basic sketches to try out shapes and colors.
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Oct 5, 2021 04:36
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There's no meaningful McQuarrie/Mollo comparison to make because their work serves entirely different purposes at different phases of making Star Wars And I love Yellow Gloves Rebel he looks like he walked straight out of Moebius
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Oct 5, 2021 04:45
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Looking at those initial designs for the Death Star gunner and how incredibly goofy they look, it's amazing they made it work. It makes no sense, and anyone wearing one of those helmet in a facility built without handrails would just loving die. But it meshes with the whole aesthetic so well that you don't question it for a moment.
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Oct 5, 2021 05:32
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It makes no sense, and anyone wearing one of those helmet in a facility built without handrails would just loving die. Yeah but you can fill the jaw with snacks before shifts
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Oct 5, 2021 05:46
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Looking at those initial designs for the Death Star gunner and how incredibly goofy they look, it's amazing they made it work. They look like a homestar runner design sketch. You're welcome.
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Oct 5, 2021 05:51
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Finger Prince posted:They look like a homestar runner design sketch. Oh. My. God.
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Oct 5, 2021 06:03
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Ingmar terdman posted:I can't remember if the generic plane helmet + blue starbird is in Star Wars but it's definitely in ESB (Dack and others). I don't think it's on any uniforms in ROTJ but it's possible. The sequels seem to have started putting it on uniforms It is, you see it several times as the pilots are preparing to take off from Yavin. Most (If not all) of the helmets in ESB were the same ones used in ANH, so you’ll see some of the more distinctive designs from Red and Gold squadron pilots in the background as Rogue squadron is getting ready for the battle of Hoth.
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Oct 5, 2021 11:33
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Robot Style posted:There's a big leap in quality in Mollo's drawings for Empire compared to the first movie, but that might be due to Star Wars being the first movie he was the costume designer for. Prior to that he was a military uniform buff, and worked as a historical advisor on stuff like Barry Lyndon, where he probably didn't actually have to do much illustration. SlothfulCobra posted:A lot of people worked on Star Wars, and not every sketch in the ideation phase is going to be a classic masterpiece. Cease to Hope posted:not all of this stuff was originally intended for public consumption. mcquarrie is the outlier here, not the basic sketches to try out shapes and colors.
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Oct 5, 2021 13:31
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https://i.imgur.com/uAOXIVK.gifv
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Oct 6, 2021 23:08
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Oct 7, 2021 22:24
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Megillah Gorilla posted:It makes no sense, and anyone wearing one of those helmet in a facility built without handrails would just loving die. But it meshes with the whole aesthetic so well that you don't question it for a moment. This is most of Star Wars tbh. Like, don't think about AT-ATs or cloud cars for more than 3 seconds just enjoy that it looks cool.
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Oct 8, 2021 18:52
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veni veni veni posted:This is most of Star Wars tbh. The most Star Wars thing would be to retcon some contrived technical reason explaining their existence, then shoehorn that into some sequel, spinoff, or EU novel, thus making it Fully Legitimate Science Based Facts that people can argue "this is stupid" "well actually, it is you who are stupid" until the heat death of the universe.
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Oct 10, 2021 20:03
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 The @@ is cool and that's all that matters
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Oct 10, 2021 20:06
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As a weapon of terror I'd argue it works pretty well*. Especially against infantry. Also, there are different types of shields. Some stop physical objects, others stop energy blasts and the repulsors which allow things to hover. So there was a need for a vehicle which used neither. As long as you're not in a rush to get anywhere. See the tank chase in the Bad Batch for a good example of "Oh no, they're very slowly getting away!" * Seeing the empire using them casually as pickup trucks, however, that makes no sense.
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Oct 11, 2021 03:56
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Vinylshadow posted:
ngl that's a seriously cool toy for the early 80s
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Oct 11, 2021 04:56
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It makes sense that heavy things might not work as well with hover technology, especially if they have to hold up to heavy fire, although that movie also has an entire dang hovering city, so whatever. I guess the city doesn't have to maneuver. I like the idea that maybe with hover technology everywhere, maybe the galaxy is filled with places that have no roads and terrain that has never been leveled, so you'd have to do something bizarre to get heavy vehicles out there, but that's not really something I think the rest of the franchise has tried exploring. And after you wade through all the explanations, there's still weird tactical questions like why do they use the same vehicle for being their heavy weapons and for carrying troops into a hostile area. Megillah Gorilla posted:Looking at those initial designs for the Death Star gunner and how incredibly goofy they look, it's amazing they made it work. I'd like to think that the control panel over the bottomless chasm that Obi-Wan uses would be some kind of system that isn't supposed to be directly messed with, which'd make sense if he was trying to disable the system in a way that it couldn't be quickly fixed. It'd be interesting if a maintenance guy for that system would have to wear a complicated harness or if they closed down the entire system to extend a better accessway. But then a lot of other Star Wars stuff has copied that setup of a control panel over increasingly inexplicable bottomless pits. I do like the goofy long helmets though and hope they get used more.
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Oct 11, 2021 05:07
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The retcon that the Geonsians originally designed the Death Star makes the pits and no railings make sense. If you can loving fly those are now access shafts. I can’t believe I’m giving them credit for this.
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Oct 11, 2021 05:26
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The AT-AT is cool because it looks awesome and makes the Hoth scene the best. But it's like, a transport where everything it needs to deploy is about 75 feet off the ground. it can be destroyed by a wire wrapping around it's legs and also it's head just blows up if you shoot it a few times and has 2 lasers that cover a max of 45 degrees. it was born to die. Like how the hell do people even get out of that thing? Ziplines or  Really almost everything in the OT is amazingly impractical but it all works with the aesthetic so well it's like, who cares.
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Oct 11, 2021 08:35
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veni veni veni posted:
Fast-roping.
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Oct 11, 2021 14:42
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It's like an airplane. It has a boarding hatch and several emergency exit routes. I can't believe I had to dig out my technical journal to tell you this you loving losers
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Oct 11, 2021 14:45
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[nerd lore effort post incoming] If we're talking AT-AT's, we have to mention AT-AT delivery systems. When Empire Strikes Back first came out, everyone wondered how the hell you could get these behemoths to the surface from a space ship - this is before it was canon that Star Destroyers can go right down to the surface and some, like the Venator class, even had landing gears. Now, the current canon is that the Empire uses Gozanti cruisers to ferry them to the surface:  There's also these from Solo, the Y-45 armored transport hauler:  And fan art, and ILM challenges, have provided their own possible solutions:   But, for a brief wonderful period, the official explanation for how an AT-AT got to the surface of a planet was with a Theta-class AT-AT barge, or it's big brother, the Y-85 Titan dropship.  It's not easy finding many images of them, as apart from the RTS game, I don't think they've ever been shown in any media. But someone was nice enough to use Lego to show how a Theta class unloaded its cargo of a single AT-AT:  They're basically shells with heavy duty repulsor lifters attached. But, this brings us to the Titan Dropship, one of the most magnificently stupid things in the Star Wars canon. Capable of holding four AT-ATs and four AT-STs at the same time and possessing what must be the most useless laser canon in the entire galaxy:   And I don't know why, but I love this ridiculous slug. It goes up, it goes down. The heat generated by its repulsors is enough to melt anything under it if it stays in one spot for too long and it has two huge guns which it can only aim by rotating it's entire fuselage. Fuselarge. But, a long time ago, this was the official version of how all Imperial heavy equipment got to surface of a planet. By metal slugs 
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Oct 11, 2021 15:29
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Megillah Gorilla posted:metal slugs I can't help but wonder if those were the direct inspiration for the Trade Federation MTTs, but only after someone said "those things are meant to fly?! No. Hell no." They're certainly the same shape, and have the equally useless blasters in the same place
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There definitely seems to be a shared theme. And, that brings to mind another vehicle with incredibly useless guns - the Imperial combat assault tank: 
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