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LividLiquid posted:The politics of Ker-blam are loving horrifying. It is sometimes frightening to realize that the writers need somebody else in the room to tell them these things were bad ideas. It's like needing to be reminded that "hey, the twist is that Adolf Hitler is the GOOD GUY" isn't a good idea at all.
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Narsham posted:It is sometimes frightening to realize that the writers need somebody else in the room to tell them these things were bad ideas. It's like needing to be reminded that "hey, the twist is that Adolf Hitler is the GOOD GUY" isn't a good idea at all. That's the problem with the "showrunner as auteur" formula DW currently uses. There's nobody to tell Chibnall that his ideas are questionable, horrible, or just plain bad, because he's the boss. Even if his producer says "steady on", he can just shoot it down. The only people that might say something would be the BBC, and they clearly don't give a poo poo what they put on TV anymore in terms of quality, so they're not going to say anything unless it clearly opens them up to legal action or something.
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Oct 3, 2021 22:54
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It's all the more annoying because it could have been fixed so easily. Have the AI refuse to take a human life, or as suggested pretend to take a human life but teleport them away, and it gives it the moral high ground. Suddenly the ending would make sense, and there'd be enough wiggle-room to have the ending of 'Well, our Amazon analogue is pretty evil, but they've learned some important lessons today about being human from their own creation'. But no.
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Oct 3, 2021 23:12
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Sydney Bottocks posted:That's the problem with the "showrunner as auteur" formula DW currently uses. There's nobody to tell Chibnall that his ideas are questionable, horrible, or just plain bad, because he's the boss. Even if his producer says "steady on", he can just shoot it down. The only people that might say something would be the BBC, and they clearly don't give a poo poo what they put on TV anymore in terms of quality, so they're not going to say anything unless it clearly opens them up to legal action or something. I think you're making the mistake of assuming that the people at Chibnal's level, or higher, would have a problem with Kerblam!.
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Oct 4, 2021 04:20
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Payndz posted:Jesus, seven years since 'Deep Breath' and 'Robot of Sherwood' and 'The Caretaker' and 'Kill The Moon' and 'Forest of the Night' and Moffat thinking that turning the dead Brig into a Cyberman and then exploding him was a great tribute to the character. What a shitshow of a season. (At least we got 'Flatline' out of it.) I really liked in Deep Breath how Capaldi took a quiet moment to pour himself a glass of whiskey and reflect on what he was about to do at the very start of his final confrontation with the robot. Nice moment for a new doctor that can be unpacked a lot of different ways. I hope they fix this show.
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Payndz posted:Jesus, seven years since 'Deep Breath' and 'Robot of Sherwood' and 'The Caretaker' and 'Kill The Moon' and 'Forest of the Night' and Moffat thinking that turning the dead Brig into a Cyberman and then exploding him was a great tribute to the character. What a shitshow of a season. (At least we got 'Flatline' out of it.) Kill the Moon and Deep Breath both rule and so does Mummy.
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Oct 4, 2021 05:46
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After Kerblam and Praxeus I'm dreading any future scripts from McTighe.
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Seems like the solution there would be to HIRE JAMIE MATHIESON TO WRITE MORE EPISODES OF WHO! 
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DoctorWhat posted:Kill the Moon and Deep Breath both rule and so does Mummy. Just realised Capaldi's first season was seven years ago, not six. JFC.
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The script and what was filmed for Kill the Moon was a lot longer than what was broadcast, according to Tony Osoba. So I’m prepared to give it some benefit of the doubt that it could have been better.
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Yeah, first half of Deep Breath I was deeply concerned because it was NOT going well. Then they got to the restaurant and everything from that point on just took an immediately jump up in quality. I like Robot of Sherwood! Yeah it's goofy and silly and a little too over-the-top, but I enjoyed that  Mummy on the Orient Express and Flatline are both incredible, but bookmarked by two particularly bad episodes. Then Dark Water follows up on that which is fantastic, followed by Death in Heaven which is very good but has a very odd conclusion with some particularly weird decisions like the Cyber-Brig. Anyway I posted all that so I'd have an excuse to post this: 
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LividLiquid posted:The politics of Ker-blam are loving horrifying. It's easy to get confused, but his name is actually Keir, not Ker-blam.
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Jerusalem posted:Seems like the solution there would be to HIRE JAMIE MATHIESON TO WRITE MORE EPISODES OF WHO! Oxygen is one of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever written.
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Oct 4, 2021 15:19
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LividLiquid posted:The politics of Ker-blam are loving horrifying. Why the hell did the Doctor just straight up kill the dude? Could've just had the delivery bots deliver to themselves and that's it.
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Oct 4, 2021 20:21
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A lot of the chibnal era is a bit... morally peculiar... but i don't know how much of it is intentional and how much is just general shoddiness from the writer/showrunners.
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Oct 4, 2021 20:44
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Narsham posted:Oxygen is one of the best episodes of Doctor Who ever written. I forgot about this episode! drat I’m going to watch it tomorrow. I might have a little binge watch of dr who. Can anyone list some of the best episodes? I think mostly because it was the first “modern” dr who I watched and got me back into it
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BIgDevine posted:I forgot about this episode! drat I’m going to watch it tomorrow. I might have a little binge watch of dr who. Here's a list of my personal favorite from the revival era on, obviously there's no such thing as a consensus view because Doctor Who fans can't agree on anything, but these are mine: This is a VERY condensed list: Dalek (9), Bad Wolf (9), Army of Ghosts (10), Blink (10), Waters of Mars (10), The Eleventh Hour (11), Vincent & The Doctor (11), The Day of the Doctor (10 & 11), Mummy on the Orient Express (12), Flatline (12), Oxygen (12), World Enough and Time (12), The Woman Who Fell to Earth (13), It Takes You Away (13) This is a wider ranging list: 9th Doctor: Rose, Dalek, Father's Day, Bad Wolf & The Parting of the Ways 10th Doctor: School Reunion, The Girl in the Fireplace, Army of Ghosts, Doomsday, Human Nature, The Family of Blood, Blink, Utopia, Silence in the Library, Forest of the Dead, Midnight, Waters of Mars 11th Doctor: The Eleventh Hour, Amy's Choice, Vincent & the Doctor, The Lodger, The Pandorica Opens, The Big Bang, A Christmas Carol, The Doctor's Wife, The Rebel Flesh, The Almost People, The Girl Who Waited, The God Complex, The Crimson Horror, The Day of the Doctor, The Time of the Doctor 12th Doctor: Mummy on the Orient Express, Flatline, Dark Water, Last Christmas, Heaven Sent, Oxygen, Extremis (the two follow-ups not so much), World Enough and Time, The Doctor Falls, Twice Upon a Time 13th Doctor: The Woman Who Fell to Earth, Demons of the Punjab, The Witchfinders, It Takes You Away, Resolution, Spyfall (part 1), Fugitive of the Judoon, The Haunting of Villa Diodati
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jisforjosh posted:Why the hell did the Doctor just straight up kill the dude? Could've just had the delivery bots deliver to themselves and that's it. "Oh no, X!" Doctor does Thing in background that's confusing to viewer. This is a morally ambiguous situation! We have to do either Y or Z about X and both options are morally awful! Doctor continues doing Thing as companions weigh the options. Doctor makes a big discovery about Thing, bringing it to the attention to the companions, runs somewhere and does something clever, her theme music plays (!), and it turns out Thing was the key to a third choice about X that's a net good for everybody. Wrap up, credits, Next time on... And this happens very little in the Chibnall era, so between this, wasting Jodie Whittaker, and The Timeless Child, I've been a very sad Whovian of late.
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I'm still bewildered that Revolution of the Daleks didn't open with Jack discovering that the Doctor could have escaped at ANY TIME and has basically been using the prison as a place to do some thinking and is just casually leaving her cell whenever she feels like it, solving problems, befriending prisoners and guards alike (and helping them with personal problems and teaching them to grow as people), teaching the Judoon to play snap etc. Jack shows up and she basically goes,"Ahhhh jeez, well I can't just let you stay here so I guess I have to escape now" and just walks out the front door. Either that or she should have been pulling a Hogan's Heroes PURELY because she really digs Hogan's Heroes and thought it would be fun to do that for a couple decades before bouncing to rejoin Yaz, Ryan and Graham.
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My memory of that moment is fuzzy enough to have been thoroughly replaced by what you just said so thanks, that was a really classic Doctor moment for 13.
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Someone in Cardiff placed a £10,000 bet on the next Doctor and the bookies have now stopped taking bets. The bet was on Olly Alexander
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Going back to a white guy would feel kinda regressive
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Jerusalem posted:Here's a list of my personal favorite from the revival era on, obviously there's no such thing as a consensus view because Doctor Who fans can't agree on anything, but these are mine: Thanks a lot man I gafs more than I expected so ok appreciate that. Give your condensed list a watch today while I’m working from home
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Maxwell Lord posted:Going back to a white guy would feel kinda regressive Yeah, I don't think Russell T Davies, of all people, is going to go that route. Bold bet but probably not a good one.
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Bicyclops posted:Yeah, I don't think Russell T Davies, of all people, is going to go that route. Bold bet but probably not a good one. I wonder is that a racist thing to do tho? Not picking a white guy because you may look regressive??? How about picking the best person for the job? I’d like idris Elba tho if am honest
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Oct 5, 2021 13:12
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I know they finally cast him in a terrible guest role recently, but Nathan Stewart-Jarrett has been top of my Doctor casting list for ever.
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Now that they're finally letting people keep their natural accents, I'd love for it to be someone from Ireland, but it's just because some of the brogues remind me of family. I think I'm going to refrain from picturing actors in the role, though, because really what I want is for them to pick somebody that I've never heard of and then get blown away when they take over the role.
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Bicyclops posted:Now that they're finally letting people keep their natural accents, I'd love for it to be someone from Ireland, but it's just because some of the brogues remind me of family. I think I'm going to refrain from picturing actors in the role, though, because really what I want is for them to pick somebody that I've never heard of and then get blown away when they take over the role. Who's the most famous person to be cast as the Doctor? I'd guess Peter Davison, Christopher Eccleston or Peter Capaldi, with Davison probably the most mainstream-famous from All Creatures Great And Small.
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Eccleston, Capaldi, and Whittaker, honestly. Remember the endless ‘haha Doctor Who is gonna be all swears now they’ve got Capaldi’ takes when he was announced?
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Payndz posted:Casting a "who?" for Who gave us Tom Baker and Matt Smith, so they shouldn't be afraid to do it. But these are risk-averse times for the BBC, and RTD has a record of casting people he's worked with before, so I would have zero surprise if it was someone from Years And Years or It's A Sin. Yeah, fair enough, if they're going with a familiar showrunner, they're probably going to go with a familiar face too. I wasn't around for Davison's pre-Doctor Who stuff, obviously, but Capaldi feels like he was probably the most well-known? Whitaker was certainly a known quantity and obviously Eccleston has done a ton of work, but Peter Capaldi feels like he's been in everything for about a decade.
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The_Doctor posted:Eccleston, Capaldi, and Whittaker, honestly. Remember the endless ‘haha Doctor Who is gonna be all swears now they’ve got Capaldi’ takes when he was announced? I definitely remember people using some variant of "The Doctor says 'fuckity-bye'" in previous DW threads, to the point where it transcended being simply annoying, and became some kind of cosmic harbinger of un-funniness  E: also I feel like it's a three-way tie as to whether RTD decides to cast whoever he wants as the Doctor, be that a white hetero man or not; the BBC pressures him to return to "safer" ground by casting a telegenic white male in hopes of recapturing the glory days of Tennant's run; or the BBC just outright begs him to bring Tennant back (and probably Billie Piper too, since she's already done some interviews where she's talked about wanting to revisit the character of Rose, so why not. Everything old is new again). Sydney Bottocks fucked around with this message at 14:39 on Oct 5, 2021 |
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Russell T. Davies: Now, I want to warn everyone before I make this announcement that the next Doctor is indeed another white man, but trust me when I tell you that we couldn't pass up this opportunity. I'm pleased to announce that the Fourteenth Doctor will be none other than... Patrick Troughton! Yes, I know Mr. Troughton has been "missing" for awhile, but our good friend Phillip Morris was able to recover him from a cannister in Nigeria.
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Lydia West for the Doctor, IMO.  Although, in all seriousness, I do worry about casting people who aren’t white men as the Doctor becoming a tickbox thing that happens every thirty years, like how the Tories let a woman be party leader every so often just to get Feminism Points from idiots.
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Bicyclops posted:Russell T. Davies: Now, I want to warn everyone before I make this announcement that the next Doctor is indeed another white man, but trust me when I tell you that we couldn't pass up this opportunity. I'm pleased to announce that the Fourteenth Doctor will be none other than... Patrick Troughton! Yes, I know Mr. Troughton has been "missing" for awhile, but our good friend Phillip Morris was able to recover him from a cannister in Nigeria.
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BIgDevine posted:I wonder is that a racist thing to do tho? Not picking a white guy because you may look regressive??? BIgDevine posted:I’m not to keen on the female doctor I think she tries to hard. My favourite episode tho was heaven sent. The idea of being in endless, perpetual danger, ground hog day of horror movies Seeing a bit of a trend
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The next Acceptable Minority is Indian Man, as observed by the casting of the Master for the last couple of incarnations
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MrL_JaKiri posted:The next Acceptable Minority is Indian Man, as observed by the casting of the Master for the last couple of incarnations Still blows my mind that Chibnall thought the Doctor weaponizing the Master's skin color against him by leaving him stranded in Nazi Germany without his holographic disguise was a good and cool thing to do
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BIgDevine posted:How about picking the best person for the job? I’d like idris Elba tho if am honest not much left in the budget after that
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Sydney Bottocks posted:Still blows my mind that Chibnall thought the Doctor weaponizing the Master's skin color against him by leaving him stranded in Nazi Germany without his holographic disguise was a good and cool thing to do I dunno, it feels weirder when you're dealing with an immortal psychopathic shapeshifting time travelling immortal alien cannibal. Would it be so bad if the Master was killed by racists? Like, the Master straight up deserves to die, he's not remotely sympathetic, reasonable or likeable. I don't feel bad if fash kills fash tbh.
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