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Magnetic North posted:Also, reading the multi-chapter background of the Mormons traveling to Utah makes it so extremely clear that he just wanted to write historical novels and backed into this popularity by accident.
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Puppy Time posted:I don't think The Golden One ever had a mask on. He seems pretty straightforward with "Yeah, I'm a nazi fascist. Now watch me jiggle my pecs." That Old Tree posted:One of his videos back in the day was "The Jewish Question", and another one was "Did Hitler Actually Do Anything Wrong?" (Or maybe those were the same video? It doesn't matter that much.) His "mask" is simply not outright saying the magic words "I'm a Nazi" (as far as I'm aware, I haven't dumpster-dived him in a long time). Just like how if you don't say "I'm a racist" or use the n-word, you aren't racist. Well that last part is rather depressing To clarify what I meant: the only facts I knew about this guy were "is a chud" and "is buff". I wasn't expecting something this shameless. I obviously didn't mean to defend him in any way, shape or form, even if he was a garden-variety chud he'd still suck and he's shown to be much worse than that.
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What board game company was revealed to be horrible recently? Not asmodee.
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Splicer posted:What board game company was revealed to be horrible recently? Not asmodee. There's also issues with Broken Token but that's not a bg company per se.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Well that last part is rather depressing Oh yeah no he's 100% a say the quiet part loud, mask off day 1 capital N Nazi. He's just so absurd that it's hard not to make a joke out of him.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Well that last part is rather depressing Oh nah I didn't think you were defending him or anything. It's pretty understandable to struggle to grasp how clownishly evil some of these weirdo fasc thought leaders are. (Or to just not know because while 10+ million views on YouTube isn't nothing, he's still an extremely niche trashcan.)
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Arsenic Lupin posted:I highly recommend Conan Doyle's The White Company, set during the Hundred Years' War. Thank you kindly. I'll put that one my ever-growing pile of 'to read' 
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Magnetic North posted:Thank you kindly. I'll put that one my ever-growing pile of 'to read' Your to-read list will still be full when you die. 
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Your to-read list will still be full when you die. nonsense, there will be the Apple iTap by then and i can just download books to my brain to comprehend instantly
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Loving all of the replies of people showing up to spew confederate apologia. Strong disagree about Moffat. Moffat has strong ideas as to what you should and shouldn't care about. He wants you to care about the character dynamics and emotional tangles between characters, and has contempt for any mode of media consumption that treats those dynamics as secondary to lore or plot mechanics. You know, because he writes sitcoms, and sometimes sitcoms disguised as genre TV. Now whether that character writing lands at any given time is a matter of taste; I think he often lands hard but also stumbles hard when he turns in a first draft and doesn't have time to revise. But ascribing malice is wrong, because Moffat is right on principal: character is the only thing that matters, really, and plot exists only to serve those character explorations.
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DoctorWhat posted:Strong disagree about Moffat. You can tell a good story without taking a massive, steaming, greasy poo poo on the world. You also don't need to literally have the main character of the show walk up to an audience surrogate and tell them they're a loving loser for caring. Those people are fans too, they watch your show, buy your merch, and keep discussion of your show alive while most very fickle customers will forget you exist and move onto the next shiny thing. And their feelings matter too, and most of them are pretty easily satisfied with the most basic level of acknowledgement.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:You can tell a good story without taking a massive, steaming, greasy poo poo on the world. You also don't need to literally have the main character of the show walk up to an audience surrogate and tell them they're a loving loser for caring. Those people are fans too, they watch your show, buy your merch, and keep discussion of your show alive while most very fickle customers will forget you exist and move onto the next shiny thing. I'd also say from the stuff I've seen Moffat doesn't have the chops for character driven stuff either. So he sticks to the genre fluff that attracts the sorts of fans he so despises. Like it's absolutely true that characters and moving the story forward shouldn't be too restrained by lore and continuity, but there are plenty of people who manage that without utterly loathing their audience.
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Moffat's Sherlock isn't a great character, I'm sorry to say.
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DoctorWhat posted:Moffat is right on principal: character is the only thing that matters, really, and plot exists only to serve those character explorations. What. This is complete bullshit. It's frankly as stupid as saying plot is the only thing that matters and who cares if there are interesting characters or not. Plot is important in TV. As are characters. As is worldbuilding. Etc. Being extra strong in one aspect can make up for being worse in others, but a show that has terrible plots or terrible characters can never be better than mediocre no matter how good the rest of it is I'll admit it is convenient to have a philosophy that says "I don't have to try and anyone who thinks my obvious lack of effort in this area is a flaw just doesn't get it, maaaan."
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DoctorWhat posted:Strong disagree about Moffat.
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Oct 6, 2021 00:58
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DoctorWhat posted:Moffat is right on principal: character is the only thing that matters, really, and plot exists only to serve those character explorations.
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Yeah, characters are themselves storytelling tools, not real people.
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The worst thing about Moffat's worst stuff isn't that it's bad, it's that it's spiteful.
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DoctorWhat posted:Strong disagree about Moffat. So there's the episode of Sherlock where a bunch of Sherlock fans try to dissect the mystery behind the death and return of Sherlock Holmes. Most of them go for plot and lore based solutions... he does this clever thing, everyone on the street was a paid actor helping him fake his death, whatever. But one of them has a character dynamic solution: she posits that Moriarty and Sherlock Holmes work together to fake the death so they can escape in secret and live a passionate life of romance together. She's held to even more contempt than the guy who tries to figure out a mechanical solution to a mystery in the mystery television series--she's a stupid fool for implying that a character might have an emotional motivation. The truth was, of course, that he died and came back and there was no explanation or reason for either, they just loving happened. Moffat has nothing but contempt for any viewer who did anything more than bask in his brilliance as a storyteller. And frankly he's just not that good.
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The TG as an Industry thread isn't really for discussing television directors. Can we either relate Moffat chat back to TG somehow, or take this convo off to TVIV or something?
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So. Doctor Who: Adventures In Time And Space was a really neat game, with some good mechanics to make sure things actually felt like a Doctor Who story. It also got off to an incredibly bad start, because the first edition was themed on the Tennant era and it was released just before he regenerated into the Matt Smith era and all of those books they just printed became obviously old and out of date. (They've made four editions in total, which is two more than I was expecting after how fast they had to whip up a Matt Smith edition, so I guess they did something right despite their timing.) Are there any other good examples of licensed rpgs that ended up being jerked around because the license holders weren't really thinking about them? (Listen, it's business chat, it's kind of relevant to this thread. It's just a question that kind of links into the previous Doctor Who chat.)
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I actually had the old 80s Dr Who RPG, I'll see if I can't find it next time I visit my family. Lurks With Wolves posted:Are there any other good examples of licensed rpgs that ended up being jerked around because the license holders weren't really thinking about them? Oh God the Infinity RPG was the worst case of this. Modiphius delivered it something like three years late because Corvus Belli insisted on final cut but couldn't be bothered to do it.
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moths posted:I actually had the old 80s Dr Who RPG, I'll see if I can't find it next time I visit my family. That was the one where you all played as companions and the doctor was a plot device, right? On the topic of licensing issues, famously FFG had all of their Games Workshop licenses pulled or non-renewed on almost no notice because GW got big mad that FFG was doing stuff like the star wars minis based games.
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I think I talked about Dragon Age: The Roleplaying Game taking four years longer than it should have thanks to Green Ronin waiting until Dragon Age II got released before they ever bothered putting out the second of Admittedly, they were waiting for the computer game to come out first because they wanted to put the lore from that in the books, but holy Jesus, waiting half a decade for everything to come together (and relying on fanmade supplements for qunari, as well as everything from levels 6 to 20) sucked major.
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Coolness Averted posted:That was the one where you all played as companions and the doctor was a plot device, right? It does seem that GW also does not inform Cubicle 7 about plot progress in AoS. I reckon from contractor's perspective it's super annoying.
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There's also Marvel Heroic Roleplaying, which got the license yanked mid-publication for no apparent reason.
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Coolness Averted posted:That was the one where you all played as companions and the doctor was a plot device, right? I dunno if that's actually true. I'm sure they weren't stoked about Star Wars X-Wing taking over, but that entire time period was a massive shakeup for the company, so it's probably hard to pin down the exact reason. 40k had been bonked off its top slot for the first time in almost 20 years (for a while quarter noooo) and Kirby told the investors they A) never do market research and have no idea what people actually like, and B) the base assumption about Games Workshop is that there's a section of the population with an obsession with collecting miniatures and they just kind of fill that need. This probably led to him being replaced, especially due to the extremely rocky first couple years of AoS's sales. But they also went back to specialist games, releasing Warhammer Quest and Blood Bowl and Warhammer Underworlds in 2016 and those being highly successful games after years of no boxed games of any kind. Necromunda came back in 2017, Adeptus Titanicus in 2018, alongside another successful Warhammer Quest, etc etc etc - there's just no need to license out the board game poo poo to anyone else. GW seems to not be as interested in a product unless they can crap out miniatures for it, which is why the RPGs still get licensed but the board games are now like six supported lines and they can still sell models like crazy for them. I don't think GW was in no way big mad about getting unseated by a licensee like that, I'm sure there was some serious concern with how X-Wing was crushing everyone, people were really happy Star Wars was back! but I also think that GW's new leadership 2016+ decided to restart the boxed game lines and it's been really successful for them so far. I'm sure they make way more money off a Blood Bowl boxed set and a couple teams versus like, I dunno, Blood Bowl: Team Manager. I don't know if they did a profit share, but likely FFG just paid them a fee to license it and didn't see a dime from the actual game sales. I've also read a rumor that Asmodee just...made them drop the GW license and that's possible too, but I've seen nothing concrete for either theory...
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This is a different thing, but I did not hear anything concrete. Back in a day, FFG put out Netrunner LCG second edition + single run of expansions for it then canceled the whole thing. Rumor had it that WotC took back the license because they were afraid of competition, but on what planet a niche lcg competes with mtg I don't know so that reasoning sounds fishy. On what actual reason might be, I have not heard
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This might be of interest: Twitch.tv got leaked. Like...the entire website. People have already parsed the data to find out who's been getting paid the most, and very interestingly enough, Critical Role is the most paid streaming account on the website. Allegedly. But this is since 2019, and Critical Role is loving loaded: https://pastebin.com/S1SGxd0B Edit: Apparently that one was not accurate, these are the real numbers: https://pastebin.com/LjmaPNam TheDiceMustRoll fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Oct 6, 2021 |
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Lurks With Wolves posted:So. Doctor Who: Adventures In Time And Space was a really neat game, with some good mechanics to make sure things actually felt like a Doctor Who story. It also got off to an incredibly bad start, because the first edition was themed on the Tennant era and it was released just before he regenerated into the Matt Smith era and all of those books they just printed became obviously old and out of date. (They've made four editions in total, which is two more than I was expecting after how fast they had to whip up a Matt Smith edition, so I guess they did something right despite their timing.) The Buffy RPG had multiple supplements never come out because they got stuck in approvals Hell. They were at least able to get a Revised Core out with stuff from the last couple seasons before the license was pulled.
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Dragon Age. Always, always Dragon Age. I wrote an adventure for DA first ed a couple of months after the first game came out - I had to play the game as research, even! The book it was in was cancelled and it was finally published as the padding adventure for the second edition GM screen, years after *Inquisition* came out. I know from (and have been the cause of) slow book production, but the majority of the four to five years between final draft and release *must* have been Bioware.
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Covermeinsunshine posted:This is a different thing, but I did not hear anything concrete. Back in a day, FFG put out Netrunner LCG second edition + single run of expansions for it then canceled the whole thing. Rumor had it that WotC took back the license because they were afraid of competition, but on what planet a niche lcg competes with mtg I don't know so that reasoning sounds fishy. On what actual reason might be, I have not heard poo poo like this happens all the times in all sorts of fields. It could be that one person at WotC was in charge when the license was first made, and then later someone else was in charge and decided they didn't like it so it got pulled. It could be that WotC has secret plans to roll out a new Netrunner of their own. It could also be that they raised the price of continuing the license agreement and FFG declined the arrangement. The same thing happened to FFG with Games Workshop too, where one day FFG was the place to go for licensed GW games and then the next day they weren't, which killed a pretty successful at the time LCG and scuttled an in-progress expansion for the Forbidden Stars boardgame, and it was similarly speculated that someone at GW either decided they didn't care for competition or they'd renegotiated the license arrangement with unfavorable terms.
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The license managers at FFG were also absolute dogshit at actually doing their loving jobs. It wouldn’t be out of reason for some of the licenses to have been lost because they didn’t respond to an email in time and the term expired.
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Robert Facepalmer posted:The license managers at FFG were also absolute dogshit at actually doing their loving jobs. It wouldn’t be out of reason for some of the licenses to have been lost because they didn’t respond to an email in time and the term expired. God, if that's they case then they severely screwed the pooch.
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Good news is, that probably won’t happen again as most, if not all of them, are gone now. But that pretty much applies to FFG as a whole
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That was honestly one time I got angry the game got canceled. Obviously in part because I got into it balls deep, but also because we had a large and healthy local scene. Same thing didn't bother me when AEG flushed L5R because even if I lost money, new edition (what is with new editions and squatting) was meh and scene was in decline
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Covermeinsunshine posted:That was honestly one time I got angry the game got canceled. Obviously in part because I got into it balls deep, but also because we had a large and healthy local scene. Same thing didn't bother me when AEG flushed L5R because even if I lost money, new edition (what is with new editions and squatting) was meh and scene was in decline I getcha, the FFG Netrunner had its issues but they were, like, "give it another edition and maybe done feel the need to push out so many expansions so fast" not "burn the whole thing to the ground." The Project Nisei revival that cropped up in its wake is a pretty interesting case of a dead game getting a serious second wind entirely through fan efforts, which might be something for you to check out.
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Kai Tave posted:poo poo like this happens all the times in all sorts of fields. It could be that one person at WotC was in charge when the license was first made, and then later someone else was in charge and decided they didn't like it so it got pulled. It could be that WotC has secret plans to roll out a new Netrunner of their own. It could also be that they raised the price of continuing the license agreement and FFG declined the arrangement. WotC made a habit of publishing CCGs/buying CCGs and giving them a base set and two-three expansions, before killing them off because that put the message out into the universe that “only Magic lasts forever, so thats the only CCG worth investing in” They killed the Harry Potter TCG off in that timespan just as the movies started to come out. They did it to various Star Wars CCGs, they did it to Transformers, they would have done it to L5R but they had to sell the game back almost immediately even if AEG bought it back on layaway. It’s contemptible, but it worked, every new CCG is tagged as “It’ll never last” I can believe either FFG screwing up their Netrunner license or WotC raised the renewal fee to an unreasonable level as they wanted it back in house for potential Netrunner/Cyberpunk 2020 cash ins.
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Jimbozig posted:I'll admit it is convenient to have a philosophy that says "I don't have to try and anyone who thinks my obvious lack of effort in this area is a flaw just doesn't get it, maaaan." Woah, who leaked the 5e D&D design document in here.
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Coolness Averted posted:That was the one where you all played as companions and the doctor was a plot device, right? That's the one! I think the players may have taken turns narrating the Doctor or something too. It's been a while. The version I heard re FFG v GW was that the GW license didn't apply if FFG started doing miniatures wargames. So that's why all these FFG wargames were "boardgames" up until Legion and the Runewars WHFB knockoff.
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