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Gresh posted:I want to like Quantum so much and I really tried multiple times, but I just can't with the nonexistent story and all the poorly edited/quick cutting to point where its dizzying and you don't really see what or how something is happening... just a blurr of sound effects and movement on the screen...it just pisses you off. Also the film is just cold and mean, there is no joy in it whatsoever. Casino Royale has a lot of moments that either make you laugh or just smile. And did we really need a rapey villain with a rape scene in a James Bond movie? Jesus. A rape in a James Bond movie? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pUXH1Bye88
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Casino Royale: a guy manipulates events. Quantum of Solace: an organisation manipulated the guy who manipulated events. Skyfall: a guy manipulated the organisation hunting the organisation that manipulated the guy who manipulated events. Spectre: a guy manipulated the guy who manipulated the organisation hunting the organisation that manipulated the guy who manipulated events. No Time To Die: let me guess.
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Oct 5, 2021 08:11
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I do like how the Craig era films gradually ramp up the stakes from 'force this compulsive gambler into protective custody' to 'assault the island lair of the villain before he wipes out half the planet'.
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Oct 5, 2021 08:30
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I want to like Skyfall because of Bardem and Deakins, but I hate villains who aren't smart but simply read ten pages ahead in the script and the final act drags on forever.
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Oct 5, 2021 09:02
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Darko posted:I still haven't seen this one, but Hans Zimmer's score is drat excellent (and contains TWO classic Bond themes, not just All the Time in the World), and the way he works the theme in is amazing so I like the song now, especially since it works as a coda on the soundtrack. That is a perfect setup for one of the most derivative composers
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Oct 5, 2021 12:54
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Collateral posted:That is a perfect setup for one of the most derivative composers Eh, nah, he's one of the most unique and experimental composers currently working. Especially when he works with Nolan. If you compare Dune, this, Simpsons, and Inception, you wouldn't even know it was the same composer, for instance, and they're no more influenced than Williams' was in half of his scores. There are a lot of composers that were related to his farm of composers that sound like early 2000s him, though.
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Oct 5, 2021 13:11
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I didn't say he was bad, he isn't, he is very good at what he does, just derivative. His most famous work for example.
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Oct 5, 2021 13:22
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Pretty good, a little long and first half could have been trimmed more perhaps. I quite liked the 'villain', but he felt a little under-used. The idea of this 'poison garden' and all those dudes farming something in the water with those vertical LED lights was cool, but unless I missed something they kinda glossed over it all. Having more of the baddie on screen and a little more of his motivation would have been cool. Maybe again I missed some stuff, but how the hell is he so rich and has millions to spend on soldiers and this facility. I dunno, there should have been more of him.
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Oct 5, 2021 13:36
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Collateral posted:I didn't say he was bad, he isn't, he is very good at what he does, just derivative. Eh, if you're saying Gladiator, yeah, it pulled from Mars but Id argue that was on purpose because it was evoking a Roman God of War for a reason. Lion King is probably his other most famous and his Academy Award and its not really too derivative comparative to anything else. A good comparison would be how little Man of Steel pulls from...anything superhero before it as compared to Danny Elfmans Justice League which just pulls from EVERYTHING superhero before it, haha. One thing I do think is that Zimmer does a good job of recognizing influences before him and working around them on a particular series as opposed to ignoring them and just doing his own thing. If the final James Bond of this era didn't have any Arnold or Barry in it, I'd be kind of miffed, and he knew to respect that. As much as I love Thomas Newman otherwise, by Spectre, he was just going off and doing his own thing and the score wasn't really doing much for the film. We needed to pull in some more sweeping Barry-isms.
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Oct 5, 2021 13:52
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Disappointed as I was by Spectre, I thought "Hey, at least the music from that car chase was pretty good." Then I found out it just recycled part of a track from Skyfall.
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Oct 5, 2021 17:22
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Darko posted:Eh, if you're saying Gladiator, yeah, it pulled from Mars but Id argue that was on purpose because it was evoking a Roman God of War for a reason. Lion King is probably his other most famous and his Academy Award and its not really too derivative comparative to anything else. The man of steel soundtrack is just shockingly inventive and rich for a single superhero movie. It is also, as they say, absolutely GOAT regardless.
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Oct 5, 2021 17:22
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Is it true this movie has Bond begging on his hands and knees grovelling to Safin? What does it say about me that I want to see that more than anything?
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Oct 5, 2021 20:10
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AceOfFlames posted:Is it true this movie has Bond begging on his hands and knees grovelling to Safin? What does it say about me that I want to see that more than anything? Everyone's got a kink. It is true though
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Oct 5, 2021 20:23
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I get they sorta had to but being so devoted to being a spectre sequel brought the movie down a bit, also had they cut it a bit closer in runtime would have made a better flick but liked it better than spectre Very playful with bond's legacy and Craig's especially I still don't find the romance works between Craig and the Fragile and I think it's just there's not much chemistry but whatever Honest Thief fucked around with this message at 21:51 on Oct 5, 2021 |
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Oct 5, 2021 21:44
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monkeytennis posted:I loved the nods to previous films, especially the little bit of OHMSS music and the Living Daylights car. The new 00 girl was good but I think I’d have made the relationship between them a bit less cringey at the start. For me it was when they started the title sequence using the coloured dots animation from Doctor No.
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Oct 5, 2021 23:09
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I’m watching License to Kill and I always forget how dark this movie is. Bond is totally off the rails for the whole thing. Super brutal movie.
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Oct 5, 2021 23:43
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dwN32iXAJgJose Oquendo posted:I’m watching License to Kill and I always forget how dark this movie is. Bond is totally off the rails for the whole thing. Super brutal movie. Also he gets beat up by ninjas.
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Oct 6, 2021 00:07
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Honest Thief posted:I get they sorta had to but being so devoted to being a spectre sequel brought the movie down a bit, also had they cut it a bit closer in runtime would have made a better flick but liked it better than spectre But not that Fragile! (I just wanted to use her catch phrase.) When is this hitting the streaming scene, or at least send me an Oscar screener, I'll vote. I'll watch some stuff for Bond.
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Oct 6, 2021 00:18
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Question about one scene that seemed to set something up, and then went nowhere: When they were all in the car, fleeing the 'family home', Bond's kid said something about being bit by two mosquitos. I thought this was a set up to her getting infected, but wasn't mentioned again. Did this go anywhere? Did I mishear it?
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Oct 6, 2021 00:25
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Jose Oquendo posted:I’m watching License to Kill and I always forget how dark this movie is. Bond is totally off the rails for the whole thing. Super brutal movie. It’s one of my favorites. Both Dalton flicks own but License takes it for me. Living Daylights is the more popular movie but I enjoy the Fleming elements of License and how it’s just Bond out to gently caress some people’s day up.
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Oct 6, 2021 05:40
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There are some cracking deaths in License to Kill. Sucked into a cocaine crusher, head explosion, eaten by sharks, burned alive, impaled on a forklift. Part of the appeal of the Bond films when I was a child was seeing the grisly deaths and so Licence to Kill was a favourite.
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Oct 6, 2021 06:56
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I never liked License to Kill and Live And Let Die because having Bond go after drug lords feels beneath him to me. And knowing now about the wider context of the War on Drugs makes it even more so.
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Oct 6, 2021 08:03
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CaptainN posted:Question about one scene that seemed to set something up, and then went nowhere: I just took it as a little red herring to get you to think exactly that and add to the ambient tension, nothing more
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Oct 6, 2021 08:43
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CaptainN posted:Question about one scene that seemed to set something up, and then went nowhere: I kind of thought this was leftover dialogue from one of the re-writes. 
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Oct 6, 2021 10:27
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AceOfFlames posted:I never liked License to Kill and Live And Let Die because having Bond go after drug lords feels beneath him to me. And knowing now about the wider context of the War on Drugs makes it even more so. Them being drug lords in License to Kill isn't really the reason Bond goes after them. They kill his best friends wife on their wedding day. Bond obviously has a history with deaths after weddings, and it being so personal sends him out for revenge. I love that movie so much, and Dalton is perfect in it. It's a great departure from some of the more over the top movies we'd had with Moore.
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Oct 6, 2021 11:50
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AceOfFlames posted:I never liked License to Kill and Live And Let Die because having Bond go after drug lords feels beneath him to me. And knowing now about the wider context of the War on Drugs makes it even more so. Pssst. James Bond is a spy who works for the British Empire and is a racist, sexist, imperialist who exudes white male arrogance enforces the status quo of the British empire, capitalism and colonialism. This is hardly new to him and if anything Dalton's take is far milder on all of those elements compared to Connery or Moore. That he's somehow entertaining to watch in spite of being a garbage human being is, I suppose, part of the appeal? Incidentally this is why I don't think a black or female Bond can really work. It's inherent to Bond's character that he's a white male piece of poo poo.
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Oct 6, 2021 12:37
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I think you could maybe, maybe make a film about a female bond who has co-opted idpol for personal gain, like Thatcher or Patel, but gently caress me that’s a tightrope to walk.
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Oct 6, 2021 13:02
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Karloff posted:There are some cracking deaths in License to Kill. Sucked into a cocaine crusher, head explosion, eaten by sharks, burned alive, impaled on a forklift. Part of the appeal of the Bond films when I was a child was seeing the grisly deaths and so Licence to Kill was a favourite. You don't gently caress with Bond's friends. Dalton was a great Bond and I wish we had gotten more than two movies with him. Neither Daylights nor License seems particularly well remembered these days, but they're both such a relief after the series was creaking along in Moore's later films.
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Oct 6, 2021 15:39
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:You don't gently caress with Bond's friends. I just saw Daylights a few months ago and barely remember it. I recall the cellist, a murderous milkman jamming out to the theme song on his boombox, and the girl goes into a pipe.
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Oct 6, 2021 15:55
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I just saw Daylights a few months ago and barely remember it. There's also Joe Don Baker! It is a pretty forgettable film, but after the last couple of geriatric Moore movies, a younger and more spry (spryer?) Bond was a relief.
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Oct 6, 2021 16:05
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AceOfFlames posted:I never liked License to Kill and Live And Let Die because having Bond go after drug lords feels beneath him to me. And knowing now about the wider context of the War on Drugs makes it even more so. It's been stated but License to Kill is SPECIFICALLY about the same thing happening to Felix that happened to him (Felix's Blofeld killed his wife) which hyper pissed him off. Him being a drug lord was incidental to the motivation or even plot - he was just a drug lord because Felix is CIA and that's pretty much what they were doing at that time. Live and Let Die is just weirdly racist and odd.
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Oct 6, 2021 17:26
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I just saw Daylights a few months ago and barely remember it. Also, one of the best scores of any Bond and excellent cinematography. Also a top 3 henchman (if you call him that, the three villains were really equal).
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Oct 6, 2021 17:27
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Darko posted:It's been stated but License to Kill is SPECIFICALLY about the same thing happening to Felix that happened to him (Felix's Blofeld killed his wife) which hyper pissed him off. Him being a drug lord was incidental to the motivation or even plot - he was just a drug lord because Felix is CIA and that's pretty much what they were doing at that time. I hadn't thought of that angle. quote:Live and Let Die is just weirdly racist and odd. It's Blaxploitation meets Bond, which is a weird combination. The early Moore films seem like they want to take advantage of current trends but just fail in doing so convincingly. I'm also thinking of the Kung Fu stuff in Golden Gun, which is also pretty odd.
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Incredible theme song though, live and let die.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:I hadn't thought of that angle. Yeah, Bond always tries to keep up with trends (Michelle Yeoh when Hong Kong Kung Fu flicks became popular, etc. etc. etc.), but the thing about blaxploitation is that the movies were often about black people rising up against the "man" and were directed by black directors. Even when they're about drugs in the community, it's always the CIA or some white dude that's the true villain that needs to be taken down. Live and Let Die was about a black drug kingpin killing some MI6 agents that were following him around so imperialist country agent white guy Bond comes in, takes his girlfriend, and destroys his whole operation and kills him. It's pretty much the inverse of a blaxploitation film that just has the black people in it talking like theyre in a blaxploitation movie. It's so weird.
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Darko posted:Yeah, Bond always tries to keep up with trends (Michelle Yeoh when Hong Kong Kung Fu flicks became popular, etc. etc. etc.), but the thing about blaxploitation is that the movies were often about black people rising up against the "man" and were directed by black directors. Even when they're about drugs in the community, it's always the CIA or some white dude that's the true villain that needs to be taken down. True. It's like a Blaxploitation film from the perspective of comfortable white people, I guess. Live and Let Die also has one of the grossest scenes in all of the Bond movies (aside from the infamous Pussy Galore scene in Goldfinger): Bond cons Solitaire to sleep with him by creating a modified Tarot deck with all "Lovers" cards. It's a combination of rape-y and messing with someone's religious beliefs.
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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:There's also Joe Don Baker! It at least like License to Kill had a great plane stunt. Also speaking of capitalizing on trends don't they have him hook up with the local fighters in Afghanistan also like Rambo? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rq6rNF4PR0
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Oct 6, 2021 19:56
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Neo Rasa posted:It at least like License to Kill had a great plane stunt. Also speaking of capitalizing on trends don't they have him hook up with the local fighters in Afghanistan also like Rambo? Sure did! I'm sure that made since in 1987 but it's aged like milk in recent years, for obvious reasons. Awesome scene, and great music too.
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Oct 6, 2021 20:11
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Yeah he teams up with someone who is pretttttty much an Osama Bin Laden type character.
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Neo Rasa posted:It at least like License to Kill had a great plane stunt. Also speaking of capitalizing on trends don't they have him hook up with the local fighters in Afghanistan also like Rambo?
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