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Red and Black posted:nothing to do with politics. It's a youtube channel Pretty sure the communism thing is just a joke. sounds like a breadtuber to me 
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Oct 6, 2021 05:00
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Centrist Committee posted:who reads standing up that’s anti-dialectical af They're publicity photos, I doubt she actually read anything
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Oct 6, 2021 20:47
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https://twitter.com/communistsusa/status/1445749238034432005
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Oct 7, 2021 10:07
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CPUSA has nothing to lose but its cops
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Oct 7, 2021 11:51
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You've got nothing to lose but a blockchain to win
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Oct 7, 2021 12:51
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https://twitter.com/realPhoenixFire/status/1445960344095051777
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Oct 7, 2021 12:53
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grimes....... welcome to the resistance
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Oct 7, 2021 13:29
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lol anti-imperialist has made it back, i guess things with musk really are over
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Oct 7, 2021 13:50
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lol, you almost had me
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Oct 7, 2021 13:57
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fail, the marxist-leninist messes an otherwise brilliant troll
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Oct 7, 2021 16:27
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in the cpusa's defense: as i've been in further contact with other younger members of the party and am privy to more of our discussions, pretty much everyone is REALLY mad about the cpusa's grimes tweet there is so much work to do to fix this party 
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Oct 7, 2021 19:54
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hot witch divorcee posted:in the cpusa's defense: as i've been in further contact with other younger members of the party and am privy to more of our discussions, pretty much everyone is REALLY mad about the cpusa's grimes tweet Oh dear...
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Oct 7, 2021 19:57
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Mr. Lobe posted:Oh dear... yeah like. so far it's about what i expect. you have a bunch of old people running things that have done a lot of good work but are out of touch and often swerve into succdem bullshit because they're the people who at least had the cop in their head that kept them from doing anything that would end with them being taken to an FBI blacksite. then you have a lot of younger people like me who are extremely online MLs that took the charge to join an ML org seriously and are likeminded in fixing the problem rather than being a bunch of trots and forming splits or whatever. so yes. any MLs here in the US, please consider getting involved with the CPUSA. we need to fix this thing up as it fell into disrepair after the soviet union fell and "the end of history" dawned. help us be ready for the rising tide of fascism and also help us ensure the grimes tweet never happens again.
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Oct 7, 2021 20:06
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hot witch divorcee posted:so yes. any MLs here in the US, please consider getting involved with the CPUSA.
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Oct 7, 2021 20:32
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Oct 7, 2021 20:37
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:is there a reason to get involved there as opposed to psl or is this a "why not both?" (or maybe depends on region / chapter) situation i would say the psl is also a good option. in my case, i'm joining with some local comrades and one was yanked around for a year by the psl then ???. we wanted to get started much quicker than that, and i'm interested in the ties the CPUSA has with international parties. both are good options, though.
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Oct 7, 2021 22:30
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if you are mad at the cpusa for making a two line tweet quoting a communist pamphlet that was used as a publicity prop by a harebrained celeb find something else to be angry at you sound insane
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Oct 7, 2021 22:43
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Goast posted:if you are mad at the cpusa for making a two line tweet quoting a communist pamphlet that was used as a publicity prop by a harebrained celeb find something else to be angry at you sound insane shut the gently caress up, goon
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Oct 7, 2021 23:30
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how many alts does shrike82 have, anyway
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Oct 7, 2021 23:31
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hot witch divorcee posted:shut the gently caress up, goon why are you emotionally invested in grimes posing with a book it is absurd, no one will remember this in a month
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Oct 7, 2021 23:42
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Goast posted:why are you emotionally invested in grimes posing with a book 
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Oct 8, 2021 00:08
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focusing on getting really mad at a famous art girl for posing with a book is not something any serious political party should be doing it sounds like those younger cpusa members you talk to are kinda dumb
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Oct 8, 2021 00:16
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Goast posted:focusing on getting really mad at a famous art girl for posing with a book is not something any serious political party should be doing that is not why i or anyone is upset about it. for starters, we're not mad at grimes you dumbfuck goon
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Oct 8, 2021 00:50
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i'm mad at grimes
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Oct 8, 2021 00:52
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hot witch divorcee posted:that is not why i or anyone is upset about it. for starters, we're not mad at grimes you dumbfuck goon why are you mad at the cpusa tweet then it was just a link to an article about grimes posing with the communist manifesto as a publicity stunt, a photo of said stunt, and slapping a little quote from the pamphlet on top what is there to be angry about Goast has issued a correction as of 01:06 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 01:03
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like dont get me wrong grimes' stunt was insulting but that's only part of the issue at hand, and it's something i'd be willing to discuss in depth in good faith, but i will not engage with braindead goony "look how much i dont care and am not bothered by things" brinksmanship about it
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Oct 8, 2021 01:04
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hot witch divorcee posted:like dont get me wrong grimes' stunt was insulting why teenagers have been posing with that pamphlet as a stunt forever who is it insulting
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Oct 8, 2021 01:06
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hot witch divorcee posted:like dont get me wrong grimes' stunt was insulting but that's only part of the issue at hand, and it's something i'd be willing to discuss in depth in good faith, but i will not engage with braindead goony "look how much i dont care and am not bothered by things" brinksmanship about it I am curious too. Hope that is goodfaith enough for ya.
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Oct 8, 2021 01:12
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its not hard to imagine a future where "marxism" becomes as watered down as useless of a term as "socialism" has, especially with the US left's blindspots wrt imperialism
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Oct 8, 2021 01:15
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i love marxism, just not all the land reform and ownership of the means of production and revolutionary action and dictatorship of the proletariat stuff
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Oct 8, 2021 01:19
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getting mad about anything cpusa does seems insane to me because I can’t think of a less relevant organization in America in 2021. I mean I get you’re trying to join them to build some sort of capacity or something and God bless we all need something to do but come the gently caress on
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Oct 8, 2021 01:24
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Crow Buddy posted:I am curious too. Hope that is goodfaith enough for ya. treating communism as some like edgy thing to do to rile up people plays off of it being bad, with grimes outright stating that she did it for attention (and then went on to talk about how she believes in gamer UBI, no i am not making this up) so it is a pretty insulting act, though not really worth getting riled up about. the problem is the boomers that control the CPUSA's media decided to treat it as "wow celebrity popular with youths these days is reading marx! what an #engagement opportunity!" like there are hordes of grimes fans that will be knocking down the pay dues page on cpusa dot org because grimes did the thing. completely ignoring the context grimes is in, that she was not that long ago union busting and simping for whatever capitalist bullshit her ex-boyfriend elon musk was on about. basically, the CPUSA telling the tmz "wow cool celebrity marx mention" is out of touch boomer bs that ignores historical material conditions and it's incredibly disappointing that it's the state the party is in. i am not saying they need to be angry and beardmad about it, hell there are plenty of lighthearted ways to respond to this without forgetting what it is ("we know grimes is just doing a publicity stunt, but we hope she learned a bit about the emancipation of the working class anyway!") but it very readily betrays that the cpusa is not yet ready to take on the mantle of being the red flagbearer in the US
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Oct 8, 2021 01:29
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hot witch divorcee posted:is out of touch boomer bs
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Oct 8, 2021 01:31
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:getting mad about anything cpusa does seems insane to me because I can’t think of a less relevant organization in America in 2021. i mean im talking about cpusa members here not being thrilled the official social media account's posting, and "mad" isn't quite the exact word. it's more of an exasperation, overall. but yes you nailed why it's so exasperating, there's so much to do to make the party effective and relevant again (?) in the 2020s and this is just a crystalized manifestation of just how much has to be done. and of course it wont be easy and might feel quixotic at times but feels better to try than doomering on dead gay message boards exclusively
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Oct 8, 2021 01:33
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i mean, trying to engage with you in good faith here, but when i am pretty expressly talking about how i know what the problem is, state the problem in practically every post, it is not an own to emptyquote it back to me. ive been in touch with actual cpusa members for like. a week. already it's obvious to me the people i've met in the party so far all know the party is largely run by out of touch boomers, know it's a problem, and we're all trying to get our footing and navigate and build out the party so we can fix it.
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Oct 8, 2021 01:36
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hot witch divorcee posted:basically, the CPUSA telling the tmz "wow cool celebrity marx mention" is out of touch boomer bs that ignores historical material conditions and it's incredibly disappointing that it's the state the party is in. i am not saying they need to be angry and beardmad about it, hell there are plenty of lighthearted ways to respond to this without forgetting what it is ("we know grimes is just doing a publicity stunt, but we hope she learned a bit about the emancipation of the working class anyway!") their actual response given to tmz seems to be closer to what you propose than it is to "wow cool celebrity marx mention" 
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Oct 8, 2021 01:38
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teen vogue's management needs to take over running cpusa
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Oct 8, 2021 01:41
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hot witch divorcee posted:i mean, trying to engage with you in good faith here, but when i am pretty expressly talking about how i know what the problem is, state the problem in practically every post, it is not an own to emptyquote it back to me. ive been in touch with actual cpusa members for like. a week. already it's obvious to me the people i've met in the party so far all know the party is largely run by out of touch boomers, know it's a problem, and we're all trying to get our footing and navigate and build out the party so we can fix it. I'm not operating in bad faith here, I legitimately think that any value CPUSA had as an organization was spent decades ago and there's as much of a reason to care about what they post as much as there's reason to care about the status updates whoever is the admin of your town's facebook group posts. They're totally irrelevant and that obviously includes whoever has the login for the twitter account. I mean you yourself even recognize that it, as an organization, is totally cashed. I don't think you're wasting your time trying to join or meet up with other members because there's the opportunity to link up with people who are ostensibly ideologically aligned and build something together, but because of the state of the org right now, even if you call it CPUSA it might as well be an entirely new organization. unless the legend of bob's gold is true, I guess
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Oct 8, 2021 02:19
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hot witch divorcee posted:the problem is the boomers that control the CPUSA's media decided to treat it as "wow celebrity popular with youths these days is reading marx! what an #engagement opportunity!"
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Oct 8, 2021 05:31
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hot witch divorcee posted:yeah like. so far it's about what i expect. you have a bunch of old people running things that have done a lot of good work but are out of touch and often swerve into succdem bullshit because they're the people who at least had the cop in their head that kept them from doing anything that would end with them being taken to an FBI blacksite. then you have a lot of younger people like me who are extremely online MLs that took the charge to join an ML org seriously and are likeminded in fixing the problem rather than being a bunch of trots and forming splits or whatever. i also think there's a real danger here if you begin seeing the central / primary contradiction as being between the left and its leadership (not that this contradiction doesn't exist). i fear this is one direction these young people could go. and that's really at the core of trotskyism, even if they don't know that, which is what eventually produces the splits. "extremely online MLs" have their own pathologies and are determined to "fix the problem" today, and then will split off three months from now when they get frustrated. maybe i'll be proven wrong but it has happened many times. and why is this the main problem anyways? there are people going hungry! the planet could blow up! there could be a nuclear war that could kill a billion people in the first hour!!! and what are you doing about that!?!?!? it's a cool brand with a hammer and sickle + gear logo, and i might sign up myself, but i feel these young people's priorities are out of whack, as if the party boomers loving with the canon or the fandom is the main problem that's preventing the party from becoming a great, heroic party that saves the world. anyhow, thanks for reading my post and i salute you on your mission. red banner CPUSA 40,000 *bows in respect*  https://files.catbox.moe/p79z9g.mp4 https://twitter.com/vijayprashad/status/1444422492894998530 BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 10:04 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 05:48
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