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RareAcumen posted:I'm talking about cr1tikal and I confused everyone because I thought when Acerbatus said 'who is the right opinion' I thought that was a typo and they meant 'has the right opinion' and I started talking about guests on cr1tikal's podcast. That's entirely my bad, didn't realize that was the other person's name. Content: Matt Baume -"How Barney Miller's Gay Couple Defeated the Network Censors" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItfEk3_4-fU Sarcopenia fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 12:31
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fun hater posted:i think the real story is that you can be racist to a camera for a crowdsourced 6 figures and hardly any start up costs as long as you're attractive enough and willing to degrade yourself it is in fact incredibly difficult to make it as a streamer
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Oct 8, 2021 12:38
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I could easily make a million dollars as a twitch streamer, I just choose not to because it wouldn’t be a challenge, and because being poor is moral
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Oct 8, 2021 12:59
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Yeah for every gamer moment sensation who can reinvest into production and live off cum chair endorsements there are thousands who barely make an midlevel office job wage and even more suckers who just sit in total obscurity after buying a streaming setup.
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Oct 8, 2021 12:59
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and more of those Top Streamers are astroturfed than they'd want you to believe. for everyone who became a Big Shot from nothing, and they absolutely exist, there's like ten or more who started with a massive amount of money poured into marketing and other costs.
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Oct 8, 2021 13:06
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Mix. posted:Everyone attributes him to being some weird centrist/right-winger for reasons I've never gotten a solid answer on past his optics (dude in top hat avatar), but from what I've seen of his vids he's just some early 20s gay left-wing dude from the UK who does videos on current-affairs stuff happening on Youtube. It's kind of a shame that most people would associate that kind of cartoon avatar with right wing cranks, because that is absolutely how I'd do things if I made a serious go at Youtube.
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Oct 8, 2021 14:06
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He's said that some of his early videos were a lot more charged and that he used to be a lot more center-leaning (i.e the whole 'both sides suck and here are my criticisms of both' kind of stuff) when he was younger, but he's disowned that stuff and even deleted some of the videos from that time period since he doesn't stand by it anymore (and has said he prefers commentary/deep dives of other youtube personalities and/or whatever drama occurs as a result).
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Andrast posted:it is in fact incredibly difficult to make it as a streamer "making it" in entertainment across every form of media is a combination of different kinds of luck (including attractiveness), knowing someone already famous and/or astroturfed money (as cybereris said). now remove any barrier to entry every other entertainment industry has and this is the state of the top 100 twitch streamers fatherboxx posted:Yeah for every gamer moment sensation who can reinvest into production and live off cum chair endorsements there are thousands who barely make an midlevel office job wage and even more suckers who just sit in total obscurity after buying a streaming setup. okay. im talking about the top 100. i thought saying "six figures" would make this clear.
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Oct 8, 2021 14:12
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why does saying "i dont think people should make millions off streaming videogames when the people who make them are being driven to death on starvation wages" instantly reflexively bring out responses along the lines of "well what about the poor people that use the same service???". the hell does that have to do with anything lol
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Oct 8, 2021 14:14
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The hell does people making bank on twitch have to do with poor working conditions in game studios? Literally all you did was say making it as a streamer is easy and people pointed out actually it's not. If that wasn't what you were trying to say then that's on you because it's what everyone here interpreted it as.
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Oct 8, 2021 14:33
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Dire Lemming posted:The hell does people making bank on twitch have to do with poor working conditions in game studios? Literally all you did was say making it as a streamer is easy and people pointed out actually it's not. If that wasn't what you were trying to say then that's on you because it's what everyone here interpreted it as. everyone here also takes their media literacy tips and tricks from youtubers so im not really heartbroken to be misread
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Oct 8, 2021 14:45
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Anyway, last week I managed to get a short review published on a website and it may be included in the next magazine release (news and current affairs take priority). Its a review of the just released Doom II mod Thatcher's Tech Base. If you're old enough to remember old school Doom or grabbed a cheap re-release after 2016 and Eternal got you curious, I recommend checking it out, a lot of work went into it and I spent nearly the entire day playing it to the end and I've been listening to the soundtrack ever since when I have a few moments to myself. Also, my blogger has more screenshots.
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Oct 8, 2021 14:54
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fun hater posted:everyone here also takes their media literacy tips and tricks from youtubers so im not really heartbroken to be misread fun hater posted:i think the real story is that you can be racist to a camera for a crowdsourced 6 figures and hardly any start up costs as long as you're attractive enough and willing to degrade yourself
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Oct 8, 2021 15:24
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fun hater posted:why does saying "i dont think people should make millions off streaming videogames when the people who make them are being driven to death on starvation wages" instantly reflexively bring out responses along the lines of "well what about the poor people that use the same service???". the hell does that have to do with anything lol it's almost like complaining about the few streamers who make pretty good money is complaining at the wrong target
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Oct 8, 2021 16:05
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I've had Hasan's response to Ben Shapiro fuming over Hasan making more money than him in the background as I cleaned and it's really funny. As Hasan says, once you hear one right-wing weirdo's argument you've heard them all. Their understanding (at least in Shaprio's case, deliberate misunderstanding) of socialism and Marxism produces the funniest "yet you participate in a society, I am very smart" nonsense. That said, in general Hasan has the same problem Jim Sterling does, for me. Only so much you can watch dunking or pointing out lovely right-wing/capitalism people and practices before it becomes old hat. But it can be a good pick-me-up watching some righteous indignation towards horrible things and people. Though I wish Hasan got more involved in pointing out lovely nonsense that prominent "leftists" do and not just very online ones from twitter.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:37
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Strange avenue for Shapiro to go down after his response to Malcolm Nance embarrassing him on Maher was to talk about how soundly he sleeps on his bed of money.
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Oct 8, 2021 17:41
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i dont even understand what that other guy is saying anymore. i think its loathesome ppl make millions on twitch alone not even counting sponsorships, direct donations, patreons etcAndrast posted:it's almost like complaining about the few streamers who make pretty good money is complaining at the wrong target i also dont understand this but i think you're trying to say the problem is capitalism?? which uh yeah. that's pretty much the source of all problems. but im not sure what the purpose is in trying to widen the scope on a problem that involves a handful of almost universally awful people willingly participating in an optional exploitative system within the non-optional exploitative system. "pretty good money" is a really bizarre downplay. even without filtering it through communism-vision.
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Oct 8, 2021 18:12
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Jimbot posted:I've had Hasan's response to Ben Shapiro fuming over Hasan making more money than him in the background as I cleaned and it's really funny. As Hasan says, once you hear one right-wing weirdo's argument you've heard them all. Their understanding (at least in Shaprio's case, deliberate misunderstanding) of socialism and Marxism produces the funniest "yet you participate in a society, I am very smart" nonsense. That said, in general Hasan has the same problem Jim Sterling does, for me. Only so much you can watch dunking or pointing out lovely right-wing/capitalism people and practices before it becomes old hat. But it can be a good pick-me-up watching some righteous indignation towards horrible things and people. Though I wish Hasan got more involved in pointing out lovely nonsense that prominent "leftists" do and not just very online ones from twitter. Also it's 52 loving minutes. It should not take that long to dunk on Ben Shapiro. loving channel's called Hasan 'moments', I expect short easily digestible clips with a name like that!
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Oct 8, 2021 18:13
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you can dunk on ben shapiro by looking above his head and saying "huh?? who said that??" every time he tries to talk to you
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Oct 8, 2021 18:14
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CYBEReris posted:and more of those Top Streamers are astroturfed than they'd want you to believe. for everyone who became a Big Shot from nothing, and they absolutely exist, there's like ten or more who started with a massive amount of money poured into marketing and other costs. There was someone a few years ago who remarked a whole bunch of folks at Vidcon they'd never heard of (at the time) being followed by a $50,000 camera and full production team, so yeah, that's not new. Also the first ingredient to making it is often "have a family rich enough that you can spend 40 hours a week playing games on camera and not have to worry about making rent money for the first few years of doing this". So having a bit of extra cash from the family for marketing isn't a surprise. The fake "anyone can do this" has added streamer or YouTuber to all the other entertainment industries that make bank on selling the dream to kids. Just now nerdy kids are dreaming of being a streamer instead of a YouTuber or an anime VA.
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Oct 8, 2021 18:16
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fun hater posted:you can dunk on ben shapiro by looking above his head and saying "huh?? who said that??" every time he tries to talk to you Malcolm Nance is an awful natsec dope and he still got Shapiro to meltdown with just "Is this what your show is like? Because this sucks."
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Oct 8, 2021 18:26
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I want to make money so I can do what I want
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Oct 8, 2021 18:26
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fun hater posted:you can dunk on ben shapiro by looking above his head and saying "huh?? who said that??" every time he tries to talk to you *Borat voice* Dry wife!
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Oct 8, 2021 18:30
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BizarroAzrael posted:*Borat voice* Dry wife! heheh
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Oct 8, 2021 18:33
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fun hater posted:i think its loathesome ppl make millions on twitch alone it kind of feels like you think people shouldn't succeed past a certain degree, whatever that entails in this(luck, genetics, networking,etc.), if it means it's under capitalism.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:00
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I think that having a shitload of money is inherently bad and will gently caress you up... but I'm not really concerned with single-digit millionaires in streaming media right now, when there are people on this planet who have billions and trillions that are killing this planet and need to pay up and gently caress off It's like.. I don't really care about an athlete making $40m either because they're literally destroying their body for bloodsport so the least they can do is have a comfortable 5-6 years of their life after retirement before their head caves in from all the repeated concussive hits. i care more about the owners who are responsible for the bloodsport and also for draining city taxpayers of their money to replace stadiums that are perfectly fine with shiny new ones and then going "oh wait right infrastructure... well, that'll sort itself out" i think it is super difficult to be even slightly wealthy and not change as a person, but like.. someone leftist making $600k-800k/yr or whatever, meh. You succeeded in the rigged game everyone is forced to play. pay your taxes, donate some money to good causes, do some progressive lobbying and promote progressive politics and that's all fine with me e: also put money into a lot of patreons to help poorer lefties get by The 7th Guest fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 19:04
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the amount of exploitation a single million dollar twitch streamer has to do directly and indirectly pales in comparison to someone running a million dollar company so if it's a question of degrees I'm gonna say fix the latter's power imbalances before the former
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Oct 8, 2021 19:07
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If anything this Twitch incident shows that most people should be making more money in general because clearly there's enough of it to go around.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:09
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I can understand people having this reaction when the guy topping the chart (after the DnD stream) is one of the worst people on the platform.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:11
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fun hater posted:everyone here also takes their media literacy tips and tricks from youtubers i don't,
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Oct 8, 2021 19:12
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people complaining about streamers making 6 figures have the same energy as people who scream when they hear about "burger flippers" getting $15/hr in that they want to blame the laborer not the capitalists doing little to no work who see immense profits off that same laborer like, what do you not understand, if X streamer is making $1 million then some exec or corporate shark is making a boatload off them as well just from taking their cut.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:16
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i was going to say that but honestly I think that's a bit harsh when the streamers aren't making "a living wage". They're making decades of that wage every month.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:19
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The Critical Role thing is extra complicated because it intersects with longstanding grievances about CR's prominence in the TTRPG community and the extremely lovely history of Dungeons & Dragons in general and 5e in specific. Short list of talking points: 5e D&D sucks all the oxygen out of the TTRPG space and indie games have to fight over scraps. Critical Role sucks all the air out of the Actual Play space and smaller podcasts have to fight over scraps. CR is married to and co-promotes with 5e/Wizards of the Coast Mike Mearls @ WotC knowingly employed Zak S., noted serial abuser who shat his pants at Chick-fil-A during Gencon, for years, and forwarded private correspondence about Zak's abuse from victims to Zak. When the heat got too bad for Mearls he got shoved around like a predator priest between departments before being rotated back onto D&D development. There are more people who've done blackface on Critical Role than actual black people. Critical Role's absolutely insane, rabid fanbase of cultivated, parasocialized "critters"... It's one hell of a discourse nexus. Oh and Zak, if you're reading this: I'm American, don't loving bother trying to intimidate me, your SLAPP bullshit won't silence me.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:20
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Gwen posted:genuine question: why do you care? i have a zeal and passion for the arts pentyne posted:people complaining about streamers making 6 figures have the same energy as people who scream when they hear about "burger flippers" getting $15/hr in that they want to blame the laborer not the capitalists doing little to no work who see immense profits off that same laborer a millionaire streamer and a retail/fast food employee have basically nothing in common lol what a bizarre stretch of reality. literally what do these two things have in common. why would a critique of millionaires be similar to complaining about raising wages for the working class. fun hater fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Oct 8, 2021 |
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Oct 8, 2021 19:29
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DoctorWhat posted:Mike Mearls @ WotC knowingly employed Zak S., noted serial abuser who shat his pants at Chick-fil-A during Gencon, for years, Very small thing but I'd just like to appreciate the comma usage here which successfully prevents the interpretation that this person repeatedly poo poo himself at a restaurant at Gencon over the course of multiple years
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Oct 8, 2021 19:29
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I would trust "I Before E" to appreciate carefully considered punctuation and sentence structure.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:30
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DoctorWhat posted:There are more people who've done blackface on Critical Role than actual black people. After learning that the next campaign is taking place in that setting's Arabia-adjacent, I got super pensive. Beau was bad enough but the entire white cast RPing as PoC would be goddamn disgusting.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:34
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making GBS threads your pants at Chik-fil-a during Gencon once would be notable, but to do it for years?
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Oct 8, 2021 19:36
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fun hater posted:i have a zeal and passion for the arts do you think streaming and producing youtube stuff is work
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Oct 8, 2021 19:41
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Impermanent posted:do you think streaming and producing youtube stuff is work ????? im talkin about twitch here. stay on target
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Oct 8, 2021 19:46
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fun hater posted:i have a zeal and passion for the arts because you're leveling your vitriol at the person who does actual work, not the corporate execs who makes 100x as much just from sitting on their rear end and taking a cut of the profits from the work generated.
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Oct 8, 2021 19:52
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