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Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

GABA ghoul posted:

If you gonna have a communist uprising now is the best time I guess. October is right around the corner

Russia switched to Gregorian calendar in 1918, they will have to wait for November according to law.

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Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

i don't think anyone expected polish gov to do slide decks with literal goat loving pics "found" on refugee phones.

yet, here we are

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Anne Frank Funk posted:

i don't think anyone expected polish gov to do slide decks with literal goat loving pics "found" on refugee phones.

yet, here we are

Is there some secret society for European politicians who gently caress animals? First David Cameron, now this.

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Anne Frank Funk posted:

i don't think anyone expected polish gov to do slide decks with literal goat loving pics "found" on refugee phones.

yet, here we are

What?

Also, today ECHR has made a decision on the case of multiple Afghan immigrants who were stuck between two countries for several weeks.

quote:

On 25 August 2021 the Court indicated an interim measure, asking the Polish Government to provide the applicants with food, water, clothing, adequate medical care and, if possible, temporary shelter

On 27 September 2021 the Court (duty judge) decided to extend this interim measure until further notice. Moreover, the Court decided to request the Polish Government, for the purpose of the proceedings before the Court, to allow the applicants’ lawyers to make necessary contact with them by either allowing direct contact between the applicants and their lawyers, provided that the information submitted by the applicants’ representative is accurate and the applicants are on the Polish territory, or allowing the applicant’s lawyers access to the Polish border next to the applicant’s whereabouts. Lastly, the Court decided to indicate to the Polish Government that the applicants should not be sent to Belarus, provided that the information submitted by the applicants’ representative is accurate, and the applicants are on Polish territory.

Am I right suspecting that Poland is likely to ignore this completely?

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008


Well, cow loving to be exact. Błaszczak came on stage to show a couple pics they "found" on refugee phones. You know things that prove without a doubt that they are russia trained agents, terrorists, pedos and zoofiles.

click for the conference, though little is left to the imagination in the blurred photos (last minute of the recording, should you prefer to avoid it)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpI6-VY1r0g

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

Also child loving, and someone had a phone number saved to someone the Polish gov claims was an ISIS bomb constructor in Iraq. It’s all very far fetched, but the message was super clear - immigrants = child and animal loving terrorists. I wish this was hyperbole, but that’s literally what they said.

Also, the Polish border security agency is now outright confirming they’re doing pushbacks - picking people up in Poland and dripping them back at the border. I deeply wish every one of those “I was just following orders” fuckers gets indicted some day.

wisconsingreg
Jan 13, 2019
Intelligent Voting leading to re-stalinization is the funniest outcome ever

GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

If we start throwing out people who hosed a farm animal out of the country this will leave most of rural Germany depopulated

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
Two dead today in Minsk as a result of a 'counter-terrorist operation' by KGB. A group of operatives, all plain cloth, were breaking into the flat of a 30-year-old IT specialist, who, as KGB claims, was suspected of terrorism. The alleged suspect had a rifle and filmed himself, while operatives were breaking his door. When they were inside he lethally shot one of them, and was killed in retaliation.

Paladinus fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Sep 28, 2021

Qtotonibudinibudet
Nov 7, 2011



Omich poluyobok, skazhi ty narkoman? ya prosto tozhe gde to tam zhivu, mogli by vmeste uyobyvat' narkotiki
roscomnadzor continues to be a source of fun, but not

https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1443101560188424192

i know trying to point out the cognitive dissonance of this all of what, a week after forcing navalny's channel off with threats of violence against local google employees if google failed to comply is basically pointless, but still

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
To no-one's surprise, the death of the KGB operative heralds a new wave of repressions.

Pro-Lukashenko 'political analysts' openly call for revenge. I expect that White-Red-White flags will finally be officially banned as nazi/terrorist symbols, followed by more 'anti-terrorist operations', and possibly people resisting arrest with weapons.

On the media front, the website of Komsomolskaya Pravda Belarus, a Russian media that is not even openly against Lukashenko, has been closed for publishing a comment by an ex-classmate of the dead 'alleged terrorist', where she said he always loved freedom and justice. KP's editors and journalists are already getting death threats from Lukashenko supporters, but something tells me that unlike RT DE's ban on youtube, this will result in literally no reaction from Russia.

On top of that, since it was an IT worker, it's safe to expect more OMON raids on IT companies. The guy worked at EPAM, the largest Belarusian IT company, and Lukashenko had already openly accused its CEO Arkady Dobkin of sponsoring terrorism even before that.

E: oh, and guess what, now pro-Lukashenko media claim he was an American citizen

Paladinus fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Sep 29, 2021

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Does going "ebil american citizen, not good belorussian like us" actually work on someone, or is it just about providing the slightest amounts of plausible deniability?

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!

Xarn posted:

Does going "ebil american citizen, not good belorussian like us" actually work on someone, or is it just about providing the slightest amounts of plausible deniability?

Based on TV ratings and followers across social media, Lukashenko's hardcore supporters are maybe close to 3-5% of population. They are the people who uncritically support whatever narrative they see on TV or in Telegram. At the same time according to polls conducted by Chatham House, even among those who didn't support the protests, only about 30% trust Lukashenko (and even fewer trust other officials). Statements like this are supposed to galvanise the core supporters and to demoralise Lukashenko's opponents.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Yeah the point of this is to prevent his driver from stabbing him with a size 4 Phillips screwdriver for a new Adidas tracksuit, not to liberate the mind of 22 year old Ivan from homofascist chakras.

RedSnapper
Nov 22, 2016
So.

I just found out Polish rulling party MPs had the gall to say a prayer, on the parlament floor, for people who had the misfortune of dying on our border.

It's been a long time since reading a single sentence made me shout out a full "Kurwa mać"

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




I happen to be right now in the republic of Georgia, who will have their own election tomorrow. Mikhail Saakashvili whos reforms turned the place from a hilariously corrupt shithole into a pretty amazing place, returned after an 8 year exile. Was immeditely arrested and there seems to be friction about it with Ukraine (Saakashvili is UA citizen now, and a functionary of Zelenskiy) and possibly EU, because the ruling party pulled out of Jean Michel's deal that he negotiated among local political parties.

The funniest part is that even today afternoon highest officials claimed that its utterly impossible that he is in Georgia.

Sekenr fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Oct 1, 2021

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
What is the support like for him on the ground? Since the russian-friendly party kept getting elected, is it fair to say that people want closer economic ties to Russia?

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




Honestly I dont know, Im new here. Polls are confusing, 60 % of Georgians think the country is headed in the wrong direction yet also the majority wants to vote the current parrty. Another thing thats interesting and the exact opposite of how it went in Belarus, ruling party rallies with party flag and opposition with national flag.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




To surprise of everyone, Zelenskiy may not be the champion of purity to stand up against oligarchs, after all.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

cinci zoo sniper posted:

To surprise of everyone, Zelenskiy may not be the champion of purity to stand up against oligarchs, after all.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2021/oct/03/revealed-anti-oligarch-ukrainian-president-offshore-connections-volodymyr-zelenskiy

Is this even news? I thought his oligarch ties were widely known before he even ran for office.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




MiddleOne posted:

Is this even news? I thought his oligarch ties were widely known before he even ran for office.

It doesn’t hurt to follow the developments. At the time of his presidential run, for every actual piece of information there were two smear attempts from the sides as well, even if existence of the ties themselves was founded well enough.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Our corrupt PM (elected on anticorruption campaign) has had couple hundred mil stealthily stashed away by buying French real estate.

My surprise level: 0
Online comments about it's totally fine, as long as he wins over the "evil neomarxists" (actually centre left party): too many

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Xarn posted:

Our corrupt PM (elected on anticorruption campaign) has had couple hundred mil stealthily stashed away by buying French real estate.

My surprise level: 0
Online comments about it's totally fine, as long as he wins over the "evil neomarxists" (actually centre left party): too many

Oh, you Czech? Was just laughing about totally not awkward supermansion purchase near Cannes.

“And then my company should quietly buy my other company. No one should notice.”

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Yup.

The worst part is that I still don't know who to vote for, but I will go vote even if I have to flip a loving coin.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Xarn posted:

Yup.

The worst part is that I still don't know who to vote for, but I will go vote even if I have to flip a loving coin.

Aye, that is very relatable to me. I’ll have to be in coma to miss casting my vote, but Latvian election choices sometimes are like choosing a brand new door to slam you ballsack with.

Mokotow
Apr 16, 2012

When in doubt, always vote anti-fash and anti-right wing populism. Anti-vax is also a good indicator. Everything else is your own preference or opportunity. Sure, you’ll probably elect someone poo poo, but not as shut as these dicks.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
Right, that's the problem. The communists are just power hungry assholes, soc dems are corrupt af (and also likely won't get into the parliament after they tried coalition with the grifter populist :v:), there are some <2% percent leftwing parties, and the Pirate&majors coalition and that's it for the left(ish) parties.

I would probably vote pirates, but

1) I don't agree with mayors too much.
2) Their proposed health minister is best described as "antivax but keeping to plausible deniability"

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




I typically vote centre-left locally, because their mayors have their poo poo together in my experience, and they’re the only sizeable party that is not afraid to release official statements such as “minorities have rights”, “gays are people”, or “immigrants are people too”. With me being partially affected by minorities and regions politics that choice is fairly straightforward, despite corruption concerns.

Now the European election, hoo boy. gently caress, my last ballot looked like bloodbath. I spent a week pouring through candidate questionnaires and whatnot, and then ended up voting for “centrists” but striking out (you can support the ballot with explicit opposition to individual candidates within) majority of their candidates.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Oct 4, 2021

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I typically vote centre-left locally, because their mayors have their poo poo together in my experience, and they’re the only sizeable party that is not afraid to release official statements such as “minorities have rights”, “gays are people”, or “immigrants are people too”. With me being partially affected by minorities and regions politics that choice is fairly straightforward, despite corruption concerns.
Yeah, that's sadly not the case in the Czech election. Literally everyone with a shot at a decent presence in the Parliament resorts to some kind of xenophobic rhetoric.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




anilEhilated posted:

Yeah, that's sadly not the case in the Czech election. Literally everyone with a shot at a decent presence in the Parliament resorts to some kind of xenophobic rhetoric.

We basically have an overtly xenophobic “ze Russians” boogeyman that predominantly ethnically Latvian parties seek to exorcise the influence of from the country. However, the tactical mastermind genius of the purported defenders of “Western values” forgot the memo that Latvia’s real minority population is to the tune of 30-40% of population, so the end result is that “the minorities party” is much larger than the second next in terms of popular support, and tends have the most seats in Parliament as well. Which, in turn, leads to “Remember - no Яussian” government coalitions with totally sensible and normal alliances like greens-agrarians-centrists-conservatives-nationalists-populists, hungover guy at a hotel breakfast buffet-style.

I know that this sounds a bit dramatic, so to give you a practical example - official information related to the pandemic in Russian became available months after that in Latvian, and was basically entrusted to private sector news media to translate and disseminate.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 09:13 on Oct 4, 2021

a podcast for cats
Jun 22, 2005

Dogs reading from an artifact buried in the ruins of our civilization, "We were assholes- " and writing solemnly, "They were assholes."
Soiled Meat

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I know that this sounds a bit dramatic, so to give you a practical example - official information related to the pandemic in Russian became available months after that in Latvian, and was basically entrusted to private sector news media to translate and disseminate.

Yeah, that's no surprise either, because this exchange has been happening every year for the past decade and has always been and will always be pretty schizophrenic.

- We should cut funds / shouldn't fund public broadcasting in Russian, because they should learn Latvian to enjoy our glorious content.
- What do you mean, they prefer Russian funded media with Russian content instead?

On the other hand, I might have missed recent developments, but I don't think that Saskaņas core is too fond of gays or immigrants either and their messaging around this has always been very careful around that.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




a podcast for cats posted:

On the other hand, I might have missed recent developments, but I don't think that Saskaņas core is too fond of gays or immigrants either and their messaging around this has always been very careful around that.

Saskaņas core voter - likely. Their establishment, on the other hand - situation there looks much better.

On immigration front, I would agree to claim that Saskaņa is not an ardent supporter of, say, Merkel’s 2015 refugee strategy, and a meaningful component to that will be classical racism. Less so Islamophobia or general xenophobia, however, since they are perfectly chill about any immigrants from former USSR, and various other “undesirable” countries like Poland or Bulgaria or what have you. This is hardly a progressive stance to look up to, but other options are Nacionālā Apvienība saying that we only accept German aristocrats free of tuberculosis, or Progresīvie who want Danish immigration model.

As for sexual minorities, the official policy is a deflective “people should decide”, but a different picture emerges if you check around for stuff like Partiju šķirotava or just on-the-record statements from various party members on the topic. I wouldn’t say they’re anywhere close to Attīstībai/Par or Progresīvie on that front, and likely worse than Jaunā Vienotība as well, but those parties are not without their own issues, so for time being I consider Saskaņa to be adequately non-malicious on the topic.

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 12:26 on Oct 4, 2021

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015
So Babiš's position is (slightly paraphrased) "But back then I was an enterpreneur and not a politician, so it shouldn't be a scandal. It would be scandalous for politician, but not for enterpreneur".


:suicide:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Finally read some, if brief, legal analysis on the vote by Constitutional Tribunal of Poland. Grim stuff, since there will be no way for Poland to be an EU member state if PiS decides to double down on it. If Articles 2 and 19 objections could be partially salvaged, in theory, objections against Articles 1 and 4 are extremely dire, and I must admit that I sincerely hope that the new German government will not seek to prevent France from butchering Poland with a dull knife.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Finally read some, if brief, legal analysis on the vote by Constitutional Tribunal of Poland. Grim stuff, since there will be no way for Poland to be an EU member state if PiS decides to double down on it. If Articles 2 and 19 objections could be partially salvaged, in theory, objections against Articles 1 and 4 are extremely dire, and I must admit that I sincerely hope that the new German government will not seek to prevent France from butchering Poland with a dull knife.

Is this the outcome PiS wants, to make their laws so toxic to EU membership they have to leave?

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
Unrelated but how is Poland able to have such low corona cases/deaths since June while most other countries around are having large waves for a while now?

twerking on the railroad
Jun 23, 2007

Get on my level
No idea, but the thing that seems to work for a little while in other countries is lying

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

Is this the outcome PiS wants, to make their laws so toxic to EU membership they have to leave?

PiS has a lot of conflicting wants that keep interfering with each other,

1. They want to de-facto, but not legally, dismantle polish democracy
2. They want money to keep flowing from Brussels
3. They want to institute socially conservative policies, without interference from Brussels

To actually leave the EU all they'd have to do is invoke article 50, that requires none of this fuzzing about.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

twerking on the railroad posted:

No idea, but the thing that seems to work for a little while in other countries is lying

That's pretty much only if you can ban your statistics department from publishing any information publicly like Belarus, even in Russia they keep lying with coronavirus statistics but the monthly death stats give away the real scope of what's going on

This is the great plague all over again, tell us your secrets brothers:

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GABA ghoul
Oct 29, 2011

MiddleOne posted:

PiS has a lot of conflicting wants that keep interfering with each other,

1. They want to de-facto, but not legally, dismantle polish democracy
2. They want money to keep flowing from Brussels
3. They want to institute socially conservative policies, without interference from Brussels

To actually leave the EU all they'd have to do is invoke article 50, that requires none of this fuzzing about.

And it's not even just the money. Poland's economy is highly integrated with the common market and especially with the German economy.

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