Metroid Dread Metroid Thread

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Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

It's definitely the hardest Metroid (barring the tedium and farming of the first game) technically, since you're required to juggle a good amount of stuff, the boss fights pretty much demand you figure out their patterns even on normal so you can't just brute force them, and for the EMMIs you need to either learn how to avoid them or learn how to move very fast and efficiently.

That said this is all good because it's a nice change of pace, before you had to play on hard or do specifically super low % runs for it to be challenging, and even then it was usually just the "get hit once and die" kind of hard which I don't think is that fun

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Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

i appreciate the EMMI's because it's a fun novelty to have a metroid enemy that can actually kill me

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Senator Drinksalot: Apr 30, 2013; Kiss me up, touch me, fuckin' rock my world holmes, I don't care

BabyRyoga posted:

https://twitter.com/scrubquotesx/status/1446490314957594642

Don't mean to sound like a boomer, but what is wrong with gamers these days?

Dread isn't even a hard game; it's a game where you will definitely get a few game overs, but you are basically immediately thrust back right where you were before. Has it gotten to the point where the ego of gamers is so fragile that if they 'die' even a few times, they feel like failures? Everything is very patterned. Everything is very fair. Considering how fast you are back into the action when you do game over, the implications of "being stuck on a boss for 2 hours" mean failing dozens of times. Nothing in this game was THAT difficult.

You have to immediately beat every game immediately you're "out of the conversation" or some bullshit. You're not allowed to kick back and enjoy something you paid 60 dollars for over several months, not anymore.

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CharlestheHammer: Jun 26, 2011; YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Oxxidation posted:

i appreciate the EMMI's because it's a fun novelty to have a metroid enemy that can actually kill me

Disrespecting the spider boss from fusion

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Acerbatus: Jun 26, 2020; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

also wtf is with adam? its like the creepy creator of samus' self-insert who really cant stand that fans thought of samus as a lone strong female protagonist who could deal with anything on her own, and just has to create weird Kinbaku-bi and restriction scenarios. He even looks directly into the camera and says even at full power [Samus] cannot withstand the EMMIs.

i got weird vibes about that in Fusion and with Other-M and this i see my instincts were correct.

Source your quotes.

CharlestheHammer posted:

Disrespecting the spider boss from fusion

yakuza and nightmare were the bane of young me's existence.

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Barreft: Jul 21, 2014

Senator Drinksalot posted:

You have to immediately beat every game immediately you're "out of the conversation" or some bullshit. You're not allowed to kick back and enjoy something you paid 60 dollars for over several months, not anymore.

consume consume consume

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Raxivace: Sep 9, 2014

I dunno, Dread isn�t impossible or anything but Kraid had me wondering if I was missing an extra Energy Tank. But I did beat him eventually so yeah.

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Senator Drinksalot: Apr 30, 2013; Kiss me up, touch me, fuckin' rock my world holmes, I don't care

Dread is definitely harder than Super and Fusion but Metroid 1 is probably a bigger challenge

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Barreft: Jul 21, 2014

Raxivace posted:

I dunno, Dread isn�t impossible or anything but Kraid had me wondering if I was missing an extra Energy Tank. But I did beat him eventually so yeah.

Yeah 2nd boss was tough. I had 2 extra tanks for it and still died like 7 times. But it only took 2 frames of running with no mobs in the way to get back there so who wgaf? I'm learning I just have to slow the gently caress down and beat them slowly instead of going all out. Def different from today's "DPS a boss down while moving maybe" games

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Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Raxivace posted:

I dunno, Dread isn�t impossible or anything but Kraid had me wondering if I was missing an extra Energy Tank. But I did beat him eventually so yeah.

That one stuck me for a while until I learned it was possible to speed up the second phase. I'd tried that before but must've messed up my timing and assumed it wasn't possible until I gave up and checked a video.

As in other games, you can jump on the belly-spines to get up there instead of waiting for the grab panel to be knocked down. Means you can just focus on avoiding damage while down there instead of trying to hit the belly.

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Rageaholic: May 31, 2005; Old Town Road to EGOT

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Blaziken386: Jun 27, 2013; I'm what the kids call: a big nerd

BabyRyoga posted:

Don't mean to sound like a boomer, but what is wrong with gamers these days?

Dread isn't even a hard game; it's a game where you will definitely get a few game overs, but you are basically immediately thrust back right where you were before. Has it gotten to the point where the ego of gamers is so fragile that if they 'die' even a few times, they feel like failures? Everything is very patterned. Everything is very fair. Considering how fast you are back into the action when you do game over, the implications of "being stuck on a boss for 2 hours" mean failing dozens of times. Nothing in this game was THAT difficult.

"game too hard, therefore bad" is basically easy clickbait for gaming journalists nowadays, guaranteed to get a bunch of Gamers� coming into the comment section to tell them how much they suck.

anyways this is probably the easiest metroid I've ever played? autosaves outside difficult sections is the best modern feature they've implemented. and I've yet to run into anything truly bullshit, like that one loving spider boss in Fusion, or any of the bits in Super that require consecutive walljumps. (because that game was made before "make walljumping not a pain in the rear end" was common developer knowledge)

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euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

Got the charge beam . Game is good

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Barreft: Jul 21, 2014

I literally haven't played a 2d metroid in 2 decades (never owned a gba), so it's a tough game for me. but like, it's a metroidvania. This isn't hard, you explore area, look at map, shoot every wall and continue on.

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Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

I could not figure out how to counter the first boss. I got through it after 3 or 4 tries, but I am sure I'll need to get better at that.

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Bruceski: Aug 21, 2007; The tools of a hero mean nothing without a solid core.

Blaziken386 posted:

"game too hard, therefore bad" is basically easy clickbait for gaming journalists nowadays, guaranteed to get a bunch of Gamers� coming into the comment section to tell them how much they suck.

anyways this is probably the easiest metroid I've ever played? autosaves outside difficult sections is the best modern feature they've implemented. and I've yet to run into anything truly bullshit, like that one loving spider boss in Fusion, or any of the bits in Super that require consecutive walljumps. (because that game was made before "make walljumping not a pain in the rear end" was common developer knowledge)

I think instead of "easy" I'd say forgiving or encouraging. There's different forms of difficulty, and the main one this game avoids is getting you back there to try again. For example this game has some tight timing on tells, and damage high enough you can't just bumble through bosses, and that counts for difficulty.

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ZeeBoi: Jan 17, 2001

I�m just glad this isn�t on a cramped GBA or DS controller.

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Barreft: Jul 21, 2014

I've died a ton of times and mostly it's because I'm trying to rush through somewhere instead of being patient

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Oxxidation: Jul 22, 2007

Rageaholic posted:

it's not even bad advice, he's just being an rear end in a top hat about it

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ate shit on live tv: Feb 15, 2004; by Azathoth

BabyRyoga posted:

https://twitter.com/scrubquotesx/status/1446490314957594642

Don't mean to sound like a boomer, but what is wrong with gamers these days?

Dread isn't even a hard game; it's a game where you will definitely get a few game overs, but you are basically immediately thrust back right where you were before. Has it gotten to the point where the ego of gamers is so fragile that if they 'die' even a few times, they feel like failures? Everything is very patterned. Everything is very fair. Considering how fast you are back into the action when you do game over, the implications of "being stuck on a boss for 2 hours" mean failing dozens of times. Nothing in this game was THAT difficult.

It's clickbait, it always has been. Nothing he says is true, and he isn't intending it to be true. I'm not even sure if he actually played the game, a contextual reading doesn't reveal anything specific to Metroid Dread.

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Hat-lock: Jan 5, 2007

I'm only a few hours in, but the game is surprisingly solid. I mean, a lot was riding on this one, but even though it is way different from Super Metroid, the expansion of Samus' moveset is pretty wonderful and feels like it will be a speed runners dream game.

Also, the EMMI characters are fantastic (I've encountered the first 4) especially with the autosaves before their habitats. I'm also loving when YOU get to hunt THEM.

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Endymion FRS MK1: Oct 29, 2011; I don't know what this thing is, and I don't care. I'm just tired of seeing your stupid newbie av from 2011.

Rageaholic posted:

I screenshotted that exact line too. gently caress you Adam

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Twelve by Pies: May 4, 2012; Again a very likpatous story

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I could not figure out how to counter the first boss. I got through it after 3 or 4 tries, but I am sure I'll need to get better at that.

...wait, you can counter the first boss? I just spammed missiles at its head until it went invisible, then free aimed to shoot the globe in the tail. I jumped over the tail whips and just ran out of the way of the tail stabs. I'm guessint the tail stab is what you can counter?

I just got to EMMI 5 and holy poo poo Samus spoke! Not English but still! Didn't expect that, that's pretty cool. Also lol at Adam expecting the EMMI to stay offline permanently, yeah sure, they're totally going to drop that mechanic. :v:

And guess I know why they put slide/morph ball on ZL now! But my brain is too ingrained with it on ZR, so I'm just going to have to live with it being awkward to free aim the grapple beam.

Oxxidation posted:

it's not even bad advice, he's just being an rear end in a top hat about it

Yeah it's a literally true statement, Samus just straight up cannot defeat an EMMI without the Omega Cannon and no amount of willpower, magic of friendship or training arc is going to help. Doesn't mean he has to be rude about it though.

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TaurusOxford: Feb 10, 2009; Dad of the Year 2021

Twelve by Pies posted:

...wait, you can counter the first boss? I just spammed missiles at its head until it went invisible, then free aimed to shoot the globe in the tail. I jumped over the tail whips and just ran out of the way of the tail stabs. I'm guessint the tail stab is what you can counter?

You counter it when you the game goes "slide under it"

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euphronius: Feb 18, 2009

I killed the second emmi so I�m doing ok

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Barreft: Jul 21, 2014

euphronius posted:

I killed the second emmi so I�m doing ok

grats!

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Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

TaurusOxford posted:

You counter it when you the game goes "slide under it"

Doh! I should have figured that out after it seemed like those hits were inevitable.

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a.lo: Sep 12, 2009

You're not suppose to kill them

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Mind over Matter: Jun 1, 2007; Four to a dollar.

Kraid was an interesting boss fight. I died to phase one a few times, but phase two was like falling into an old familiar pattern and I killed it on my first attempt.

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Araxxor: Oct 20, 2012; My disdain for you all knows no bounds.

Bruceski posted:

I think instead of "easy" I'd say forgiving or encouraging. There's different forms of difficulty, and the main one this game avoids is getting you back there to try again. For example this game has some tight timing on tells, and damage high enough you can't just bumble through bosses, and that counts for difficulty.

Yeah, forgiving is how I'd describe it as well, as I died to these bosses way more than in Fusion which I considered to be one of the harder games before. But dying just plops you right outside so you can just hop back in.

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brand engager: Mar 23, 2011

Might have softlocked myself in the upper part of cataris, theres a switch to open a path to dairon that blocks the return path. Now I can only go foward into the first room of dairon but I can't progress. There's a big block that looks like I need a split-beam upgrade for, and some blocks with a crescent moon symbol. I don't have anything that can break those.

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Endorph: Jul 22, 2009

Rageaholic posted:

i think its fine, for the protagonist of a video game to come across something stronger than them. i get that other m was weird but its also weird to not allow the protagonist of a video game series to do video game protag stuff just because shes a woman. like if john master chief was told this about some new alien and the gameplay was built around getting owned by it, would anyone accuse that of being a fetish thing, lol.

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SettingSun: Aug 10, 2013

brand engager posted:

Might have softlocked myself in the upper part of cataris, theres a switch to open a path to dairon that blocks the return path. Now I can only go foward into the first room of dairon but I can't progress. There's a big block that looks like I need a split-beam upgrade for, and some blocks with a crescent moon symbol. I don't have anything that can break those.

There�s a beam-breakable block in that room that�ll open the way.

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RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Accept your helplessness, person who has personally destroyed two worlds

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Electric Phantasm: Apr 7, 2011; YOSPOS

It's kinda concerning the space government has access to these nigh indestructible murder robots to begin with.

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Amppelix: Aug 6, 2010

RBA Starblade posted:

Accept your helplessness, person who has personally destroyed two worlds

yes? do you seriously have a problem with this concept

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WAY TO GO WAMPA!!: Oct 27, 2007

Kraid actually making me learn his patterns and taking multiple attempts. That rascal :allears:

Really loving this game, I think my only real complaint so far is the environments feel a bit same-y, tho I appreciate the looping of some of the maps. Also really like how they have switched up the order of upgrades, holding the morph ball for so long really got me excited to actually get it.

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