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FlamingLiberal posted:I noticed during the Pakled battle we got a bit of music that seemed very similar to one of the Trek movies, but I can't place the film. I'm thinking probably WoK or TUC. Kesper North posted:It actually sounded like the "Stealing the Enterprise" music from TSFS but it might have been first used in TWOK, not sure. It's the lower decks theme done in the style of and as an homage to the James Horner theme from Star Trek 3. It written for the Movie Parody Episode in season 1, that's why it's so deliberately familiar. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wykudfjTw1Q
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Epicurius posted:It could also be caused by the arranged marriages. Put psychics together, weird stuff can happen. (It was so Enterprise could show a horny T'Pol. 
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Nitrousoxide posted:DS9 mentions at least a couple “Vulcan science ships” though I don’t think we ever see them. TOS had the Intrepid, a space amoeba got them.
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It seems like Vulcan runs their own ships, and then also in Starfleet there are majority-single-species ships for cultures that find that more comfortable and there are a few of those that are Vulcan, and then there are Vulcans that choose to serve on the general multispecies ships. I'd guess there's a general scale of relaxedness from vulcan ship crews -> vulcan only starfleet ship crews -> vulcans in the general starfleet population.
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Lmao that the joke that people were angry posting about was the background that they rolled the credits over. Also I don't know what I would have expected but the design of the Vulcan ship was surprising to me
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pile of brown posted:Also I don't know what I would have expected but the design of the Vulcan ship was surprising to me Have you seen the Vulcan ships on Enterprise? They're pretty similar. The designers on Enterprise took the red hull and curvey look of the ship from First Contact,  and combined it with the ring-shape that we saw in some Vulcan transports in TNG,  and the result was some pretty sexy ships for the ENT to look primitive next to.  
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Oct 9, 2021 08:00
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I haven't seen Enterprise
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The Cerritos is meant to be a small-ish starship by TNG-era standards, but it's probably at least as big as Voyager, which was bigger than the refit Enterprise. So the Vulcan ship and the Exsovcior must be massive, as they both completely dwarf it. The last episode was great, by the way. Just casually tying together three seemingly separate stories, and SURPRISE MOFOS, here's the season arc reveal! I really liked T'Lyn as well, and hope they pay off her joining Starfleet. It's ridiculous how the goofy cartoon is still the best Star Trek thing since DS9.
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Oct 9, 2021 08:41
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Cerritos is actually pretty big in terms of length, on account of being just a saucer. It's about as long as the Enterprise-C. Hard to judge if the neoCelsior is big or just in front of it but yeah the Vulcan ship was massive.
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Oct 9, 2021 08:50
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I still can’t believe how much this show has won me over. Season 2 has been consistently great, I don’t give a gently caress what anyone says. I'm just genuinely enjoying watching new Star Trek episodes, with no caveats. Truly, they are all good things.
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Oct 9, 2021 09:10
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EimiYoshikawa posted:I'm just genuinely enjoying watching new Star Trek episodes, with no caveats. But you know what they say about All Good Things...
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MikeJF posted:Cerritos is actually pretty big in terms of length, on account of being just a saucer. It's about as long as the Enterprise-C. Yeah, but that saucer looks skinny as hell. It looks like it only has 3 decks, plus two small command decks on top. I think in terms of internal volume, the California class are actually some of the smallest starships we've seen. A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 11:08 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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Every time I see the 2 deck dip at the back of the saucer, I wonder about it. 
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The_Doctor posted:Every time I see the 2 deck dip at the back of the saucer, I wonder about it. Maybe the bottom of the saucer has a 2 deck extrusion so they interlock when stacked?
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Supposedly part of the reason that the cerritos looks mismatched is to indicate it's an old ship with a major refit or two under the belt, so the black structure may not be part of the original ship. The dips might do something, there's similar cuts in the bottom of the saucer. Or maybe it's just to add extra windows.
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The_Doctor posted:Every time I see the 2 deck dip at the back of the saucer, I wonder about it. Haha I commented on that to my partner the other day. Like, what's the advantage of being able to see each other across a courtyard that's in vacuum?
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MikeJF posted:Supposedly part of the reason that the cerritos looks mismatched is to indicate it's an old ship with a major refit or two under the belt, so the black structure may not be part of the original ship. I think you've got it the wrong way around; The inner black structure's probably the original ship, and they've built out from that around it. So all the bits overlapping in the outer saucer is probably a few extra decks built around the original hull silhouette.
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Maybe, but most of the dark grey is a kind of superstructure that's wrapped around the outside of the saucer as if it was added later, so maybe the black in the cuts around the saucer edge is just because they cut in later and put a new hull in the cut.
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https://youtu.be/lmHun0HpsgA he's just lyin' about lyin' there!
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SlothfulCobra posted:I'm not sure it was established before that Vulcans still have their own centrally organized, regimented space navy independent of Starfleet despite fully being part of the federation. Is it just their equivalent of all those Federation science vessels but controlled centrally because I guess all of internal Vulcan society is some kind of benign autocracy? It's like that in Enterprise, but I kinda thought they'd be more integrated into the rest of the Federation a couple centuries later. Makes me wonder how many smaller pseudo space navies the Federation has buzzing around in parallel to Starfleet. The shows really gloss over it since they tend to be so centered on Earth, but it seems like the Federation is really a federation -- while there's the overarching Federation government and the cooperatively-run Starfleet, each individual member planet appears to have its own government with a lot of latitude to see to its own affairs as it sees fit, including having their own fleets and defense forces; it's part of why, for example, in DS9 the Federation president has to explicitly give Starfleet permission to take over planetary defense and station armed troops on Earth and why it's such a big deal for them to do so
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Oct 9, 2021 17:58
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Still not huge fan of the uniforms but better than the ones they had last season.
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Oct 9, 2021 17:59
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Aw hell yeah, she earned that chair I guess maybe?
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Oct 9, 2021 18:01
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The Vulcan ship design with rings is really striking, but it sort of makes sense deriving from all the negative space of TNG Romulan ships, which have those massive gaps that you can kind of derive a "ring" from. Although Romulan ships were still built around nacelles and the old rules of the nacelles needing line of sight for some reason, so maybe it's weirder that Vulcan ships were built after that rule was discarded and I guess are more alien to the Federation's designs than most ships. Maybe individual nacelles are more adjustable than a whole ring assembly, but Vulcans prefer to control long-term performance rather than subjectively adapting on the fly to situations. That particular ship breaks even further from typical Trek ship design in that it looks much more traditionally like a spaceship, with a contiguous, pointy body shaped like a rocket. A.o.D. posted:Yeah, but that saucer looks skinny as hell. It looks like it only has 3 decks, plus two small command decks on top. I think in terms of internal volume, the California class are actually some of the smallest starships we've seen. I dunno, I count more than 3-5 decks. Maybe 10-12. I guess it's possible that some could be "crawlspaces" between decks. I guess the map is abstract enough to interpret as just about anything, which is  The map also portrays the saucer as being much more heavily slanted than the external pictures look, but I guess those windows on the top and bottom are supposed to the on the edge of rooms rather than skylights and glass floors. Standing on a glass floor over space sounds terrifying anyways.
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Trailer for non-US people: https://twitter.com/trekcore/status/1446882523636699142
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I'm glad they're shaking things up with a universe-ending threat this season.
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Oct 9, 2021 18:15
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Technowolf posted:Why did they uglify the Ferengi? "more wrinkles and ridges = better"
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Brawnfire posted:Aw hell yeah, she earned that chair
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Thom12255 posted:Still not huge fan of the uniforms but better than the ones they had last season. They're still way, way too bright for the environment and set design of the ship. They might work if they brightened it or put in spot color but now they just look almost superimposed in. SlothfulCobra posted:Although Romulan ships were still built around nacelles and the old rules of the nacelles needing line of sight for some reason, so maybe it's weirder that Vulcan ships were built after that rule was discarded and I guess are more alien to the Federation's designs than most ships. Nah, vulcans always used rings, back to the ENT days. They're called 'annular warp nacelles' instead of the traditional linear warp nacelles. quote:I dunno, I count more than 3-5 decks. Maybe 10-12. I guess it's possible that some could be "crawlspaces" between decks. I guess the map is abstract enough to interpret as just about anything, which is The producers have said to ignore that map (got lots of wrong things like two decks on the saucer rim instead of three), and in recent episodes have featured a different MSD instead (although we haven't gotten a closeup).  But yeah, the rim has three rows of windows, and then there's a few decks in the saucer bulge on both top and bottom, and at least two in the protruding structure on top and one below. Anyway though they confirmed on twitter it's eleven decks in the saucer altogether so that's the answer.
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The ring design is based on one of the concept drawings for the TOS Enterprise. The ring was abandoned and they artists went with twin nacelles. So the Vulcan designs from TNG and ENT used the rings to imply a more advanced design
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I like the design themes of Vulcan ships. They manage to look like something that by all rights should be fragile but isn't - i.e. exactly what a pacifistic science orientated race that nevertheless is under no illusions as to how dangerous space is would build their ships. e: Discovery S4 is clearly going to be no different to S3. It is what it is. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Oct 9, 2021 |
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Someone needs to tell them that rejected sketches from 40 years ago aren't something to brag about.
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You need to tell all the Star Wars nerds that for every Ralph McQuarrie concept that shows up in Rebels.
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Yeah I'm like, cool, WHY. Clearly you decided not to use that design in TNG, now we're accustomed to another design and you're telling us to go gently caress ourselves in the imagination
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Thom12255 posted:I'm glad they're shaking things up with a universe-ending threat this season. Lol I got halfway through the trailer and shut it off. This show is not for me.
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The Ferengi Captain might just be really old. Grand Nagus Zek has a very different look compared to other Ferengis.
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Well there's a shot of the Federation President handing a Federation flag to the President/whatever of Ni'Var (aka Vulcan), so I guess they're coming back?
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