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Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/katerinareports/status/1447075154593411072

lmao "please don't look into our "democracy" before the 1980s like south korea"

# ? Oct 10, 2021 16:40

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# ? May 30, 2024 10:43

Judakel: Jul 29, 2004; Can't post for 9 years!

Some Guy TT posted:

https://twitter.com/katerinareports/status/1447075154593411072

this washington post worker might be biased

# ? Oct 10, 2021 16:50

Palladium: May 8, 2012; Very Good
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Good thing they can vote between 2 flavors of green and blue colored ideologies that put identity politics over pragmatic economics

Palladium has issued a correction as of 16:53 on Oct 10, 2021

# ? Oct 10, 2021 16:51

Ghost Leviathan: Mar 2, 2017; Exploration is ill-advised.

Some Guy TT posted:

how exactly were we expecting chinese people to build our gadgets for us without them also figuring out how the gadgets were made

Obviously the communist oriental mind cannot innovate, only obey, is probably literally the mindset

Or just neoliberal atlas shrugged brain that is apparently what western intelligentsia actually believe

# ? Oct 10, 2021 16:59

hot witch divorcee: Jan 4, 2021; is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me

also all this poo poo about invading taiwan is stupid poo poo invented by crusader kings players and people who jack off to us military history. why would china invade itself. the cpc is largely just biding their time until the us hegemony gets to the point where they can't sustain the fuckery and psyops that make anyone think that an independent taiwan is a good idea in the first place. either somehow the roc gets brainworms and believes the us isn't going to afghanistan them and declares independence wherein the response from prc will likely be "ok, enjoy your brexit" and cut off taiwan's access to all the special economic zones on the mainland which will basically turbofuck the economy on the island, or the more likely scenario where the US state department gets increasingly and visibly incompetent and over some length of time the ROC charade gets increasingly silly and CPC rule is increasingly recognized and exercised

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:05

hot witch divorcee: Jan 4, 2021; is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lmao "please don't look into our "democracy" before the 1980s like south korea"

its not a real democracy if there isn't a bunch of fascism and/or genocide involved in establishing it, so she's pretty correct imo

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:06

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

Raskolnikov38 posted:

lmao "please don't look into our "democracy" before the 1980s like south korea"

40 years of the best functioning liberal democracy in asia after overcoming a dictatorship that arrived from mainland china is probably making her point very well actually

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:14

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

yeah yeah putting chen shuibian in jail and tsai putting the KMT's bank account and land holdings on hold are probably better than open collusion between the parties or a one party state a la Japan

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:16

Red and Black: Sep 5, 2011

"Best functioning liberal democracy" isn't exactly a high bar

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:21

mortons stork: Oct 13, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Or just neoliberal atlas shrugged brain that is apparently what western intelligentsia actually believe

i have my personal pet theory that the stupid garbage propaganda they coined in the 70s and 80s to sell reaganist neoliberalism to the rubes is now actually believed by those in power and the intelligentsia two/three generations later after being repeated endlessly across all airwaves, as opposed to being merely pr for their godawful policies. Policies which also unintentionally (?) are now tanking global western influence worldwide as we retreat into a fantasy world and try to deal with a public health issue like a pandemic or climate change through creative accounting

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:28

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

I mean, even as a tankie, I very much doubt that being ruled from Beijing is anywhere near the top of anyone's wish list in Taiwan. Neither is fighting a war over it or being used by the US as a martyr in the international struggle against Chinese aggression^tm

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:36

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

https://twitter.com/ChupChupKayDil/status/1447094658467827714?s=20

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:38

Antonymous: Apr 4, 2009

genericnick posted:

I mean, even as a tankie, I very much doubt that being ruled from Beijing is anywhere near the top of anyone's wish list in Taiwan. Neither is fighting a war over it or being used by the US as a martyr in the international struggle against Chinese aggression^tm

that's why status quo usually wins opinion polls, to get to any other stable situation there's going to be a lot of pain on the way

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:52

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

Also, the first competitive elections happened in the 1990s and the first non-kmt president was in 2000, pretty recent to be honest.

Also, the Taiwanese public in general seems to prefer a solution that changes everything as minimally as possible. This would probably man gradual economic integration then loose political integration (something more similar to the EU than HK). War is worse case scenario for both sides.

# ? Oct 10, 2021 17:57

Maximo Roboto: Feb 4, 2012

Status quo today, status quo tomorrow, status quo forever

# ? Oct 10, 2021 18:44

Red and Black: Sep 5, 2011

https://twitter.com/seanrmoorhead/status/1447255970967523335?s=21

# ? Oct 10, 2021 18:58

Troy Queef: Jan 12, 2013

https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1446411827244589103?s=21 I think you may wanna sit this one out, Chen, mate

# ? Oct 10, 2021 19:09

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Maximo Roboto posted:

Status quo today, status quo tomorrow, status quo forever

I have some bad news about the status quo.

# ? Oct 10, 2021 19:20

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1447249393317462020

# ? Oct 10, 2021 19:49

Lostconfused: Oct 1, 2008

Once again Glenn is right, I do think keeping covid cases low is the most important metric right now.

# ? Oct 10, 2021 19:52

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1447249393317462020

lmao Glenn citing NPR reporting now. truly pathetic

# ? Oct 10, 2021 19:57

KaptainKrunk: Feb 6, 2006

Glenn is a land of contrasts

# ? Oct 10, 2021 20:00

mortons stork: Oct 13, 2012

containing the deadly plague is actually not that high on my list of priorities

lol

# ? Oct 10, 2021 20:00

Cao Ni Ma: May 25, 2010

Reminder that china not only contained the virus but is back to mostly normal and their vast amount of exports are flooding our ports. And we cant unload them despite open biden because we cant field enough people to actually work in the ports (they are dying because of open biden)

# ? Oct 10, 2021 20:10

Cpt_Obvious: Jun 18, 2007

hot witch divorcee posted:

also all this poo poo about invading taiwan is stupid poo poo invented by crusader kings players and people who jack off to us military history. why would china invade itself. the cpc is largely just biding their time until the us hegemony gets to the point where they can't sustain the fuckery and psyops that make anyone think that an independent taiwan is a good idea in the first place. either somehow the roc gets brainworms and believes the us isn't going to afghanistan them and declares independence wherein the response from prc will likely be "ok, enjoy your brexit" and cut off taiwan's access to all the special economic zones on the mainland which will basically turbofuck the economy on the island, or the more likely scenario where the US state department gets increasingly and visibly incompetent and over some length of time the ROC charade gets increasingly silly and CPC rule is increasingly recognized and exercised

I think that's what shorts people's brains so hard: they can't possibly conceive of America in a state of rapid decline. The idea that America isn't worth tussling with because the empire is collapsing is just too difficult to think.

# ? Oct 10, 2021 20:38

Judakel: Jul 29, 2004; Can't post for 9 years!

if taiwan were to do something stupid towards china, they might invade... but the entirety of US phrasing has been centered around taiwan defending ITSELF. we aren't going to do poo poo if they invade.

# ? Oct 10, 2021 20:41

Some Guy TT: Aug 30, 2011

Troy Queef posted:

https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1446411827244589103?s=21 I think you may wanna sit this one out, Chen, mate

how exactly is this law supposed to be enforced it seems like it would be awfully difficult to prove that someone did that deliberately instead of just falling off on its own

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:22

Centrist Committee: Aug 6, 2019

pull up, some guy!!

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:33

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

Centrist Committee posted:

pull out, some guy!!

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:34

Mr Hootington: Jul 24, 2008; I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1447249393317462020

It is weird how Glenn doesn't respect the sovereignty or laws of nations when it comes to covid.

Then again seeing a group of people banding together to overcome a problem must chap the rear end of a rugged individualist like Glenn!

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:35

lollontee: Nov 4, 2014; Can't post for 10 years!

Some Guy TT posted:

how exactly is this law supposed to be enforced it seems like it would be awfully difficult to prove that someone did that deliberately instead of just falling off on its own

by supreme court decision in about 6 years, anteceding all previous decisions made by arbitrary decree

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:38

Judakel: Jul 29, 2004; Can't post for 9 years!

Some Guy TT posted:

how exactly is this law supposed to be enforced it seems like it would be awfully difficult to prove that someone did that deliberately instead of just falling off on its own

i looked into it once it was posted and they've enforced it a few times according to wikipedia

seems tough though, someone could just lie and say they agreed to take it off

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:38

indigi: Jul 20, 2004; ^{how can we not talk about family

when family's all that we got?}

this is why we need to record every act of sexual intercourse on the blockchain with a smart contract

# ? Oct 10, 2021 22:45

Rent-A-Cop: Oct 15, 2004; I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Judakel posted:

seems tough though, someone could just lie and say they agreed to take it off

But guys, what if criminals lie about breaking the law???

# ? Oct 11, 2021 02:10

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Big tech needs to launch an app to save mutual consent upfront on the blockchain and then monitor constantly for validity

this should only use the carbon footprint of a few small nations

# ? Oct 11, 2021 02:42

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

https://www.rappler.com/nation/philippines-new-world-order-developing-countries-not-left-behind

quote:

Philippine Foreign Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. urged countries at the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) to work toward creating a "new world order" that includes the interests of developing nations, especially as states move to recover from the coronavirus pandemic.

In a speech delivered at UNCTAD's 15th meeting on Tuesday, October 5, Locsin called out the "persistent inequity in global governance" seen over the past years.

As the UN body crafted its agenda for the next five years, Locsin said countries need an outlook "that does not shy from a factual diagnosis of the state of affairs."

"This must start with a frank reflection of the profound impact of globalization on developing countries, where independence was followed by reversion to submission to foreign interests protected and managed by native elites," he said.

The Philippine official added that while globalization in recent years brought about marked progress for many countries, "it has left the many behind by enriching a few more."

The new world order, he said, must be "no longer for some, but for all."

"It must always integrate the interests of all developing countries, including middle-income countries where 75% of the world's population and 62% of the world's poor live," Locsin said.

UNCTAD's 15th meeting was the first to be held during a pandemic. The global COVID-19 crisis has caused the most disruption to economies and lives since World War II.

"It demands no less than a major shift in another, or at least reinvigorated, paradigm," Locsin said.

"A virus has brought an ugly light to the long-ignored vulnerabilities of developing countries and to existing gaps in the multilateral development processes�. Addressing them requires a decisive transformation of multilateralism," he added.

In an earlier speech at the Group of 77 (G77) and China's meeting at UNCTAD on October 1, Locsin also urged countries to remember that the group "was founded as a platform by, of, and for developing countries."

The G77, established in 1964, is the largest group of developing countries at the UN. The group was envisioned to facilitate cooperation on development among countries and aid its members in promoting similar interests on major economic issues within the UN.

"Our group exists to improve our peoples' lives, and promote this agenda independent of the strategic or political special agenda of big powers or of our own kind," Locsin said, adding that "some of us do not make good neighbors."

Beyond the pandemic, UNCTAD members must put efforts to tackle climate change "front and center," said Locsin.

Scientists at the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) earlier warned that the pace of climate change has not been slowed by the pandemic and the world remains behind in its battle to cut carbon emissions.

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres warned the findings of the WMO are an "alarming appraisal of just how far off course we are."

and folks, is he wrong?

# ? Oct 11, 2021 03:01

Judakel: Jul 29, 2004; Can't post for 9 years!

Rent-A-Cop posted:

But guys, what if criminals lie about breaking the law???

well, usually a conviction requires more than this presumption and that's what we're talking about, you dumb motherfucker

# ? Oct 11, 2021 03:05

i say swears online: Mar 4, 2005

# ? Oct 11, 2021 04:08

wynott dunn: Aug 9, 2006; What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

gradenko_2000 posted:

https://www.rappler.com/nation/philippines-new-world-order-developing-countries-not-left-behind

and folks, is he wrong?

�Our group exists to improve our peoples' lives, and promote this agenda independent of the strategic or political special agenda of big powers or of our own kind," Locsin said, adding that "some of us do not make good neighbors."

lol, nice

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lol posted this in the anime thread after seeing teh thread tag. anyway looks like NED funding is running out

https://twitter.com/AP/status/1447233684730482696?s=20

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