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morestuff posted:I’m happy for the folks at The Defector but The Athletic feels more replicable even if it crashes and burns. Not many places if any have the cult status Deadspin did The Athletic does good work, but as a VC product it was always going to be chasing growth in unsustainable ways. Defector would prefer to get more readers, I'm sure, but they're actively seeking to live within their means and not seek growth for growth's sake. Hell, part of the reason they don't have ads is that so many of the major advertisers they talked to wanted too many pageviews/impressions and would require them to grow more than they wanted.
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morestuff posted:I’m happy for the folks at The Defector but The Athletic feels more replicable even if it crashes and burns. Not many places if any have the cult status Deadspin did Maybe not quite the cult following Deadspin did. But a lot of places have a unique voice and a dedicated following from a tight knit community. Typically what happens to these places is they get bought up by a larger corporation that slowly squeezes all the unique things out of it until eventually all people that made the place unique end up reading or writing somewhere else. The only truly unique thing about Deadspin is that they all quit en masse and then all came back together to start something new.
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Mahoning posted:Maybe not quite the cult following Deadspin did. But a lot of places have a unique voice and a dedicated following from a tight knit community. Typically what happens to these places is they get bought up by a larger corporation that slowly squeezes all the unique things out of it until eventually all people that made the place unique end up reading or writing somewhere else. The only truly unique thing about Deadspin is that they all quit en masse and then all came back together to start something new. I'm struggling to think of any in sports media right now, other than a few individual folks who would be better suited for a Substack/Patreon model. Another big part of what makes Defector unique is that they've got bigger names like Magary and Roth that are willing to subsidize guys like Patrick Redford (no offense Patrick Redford) I say this as someone who paid money to The Classical back in the day
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morestuff posted:I'm struggling to think of any in sports media right now, other than a few individual folks who would be better suited for a Substack/Patreon model. Another big part of what makes Defector unique is that they've got bigger names like Magary and Roth that are willing to subsidize guys like Patrick Redford (no offense Patrick Redford) Grantland is a bit different since it was always owned by a large corporation but the end result was essentially the same.
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morestuff posted:I’m happy for the folks at The Defector but The Athletic feels more replicable even if it crashes and burns. Not many places if any have the cult status Deadspin did Defector also has a very clear house style. The Athletic writers' tone varies a lot, from goofballs like Grant Brisbee to old fashioned guys like Ken Rosenthal.
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My only gripe with The Athletic is they do a lot of stuff but nothing great. Local coverage of teams is their best facet, although not something that I think there is particularly high demand for. Their podcasts are half-assed and forgettable. Fantasy coverage is OK. Same for sports betting. Seems like a better strategy might have been to lean heavily on certain topics where they can be clearly better than any other outlet. There still isn't a good outlet for sports betting which is kind of bizarre. I sign up under their holiday promos where it's a couple of bucks a month. But I wouldn't pay more than $5 a month for it.
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Niwrad posted:My only gripe with The Athletic is they do a lot of stuff but nothing great. Local coverage of teams is their best facet, although not something that I think there is particularly high demand for. Their podcasts are half-assed and forgettable. Fantasy coverage is OK. Same for sports betting. Seems like a better strategy might have been to lean heavily on certain topics where they can be clearly better than any other outlet. There still isn't a good outlet for sports betting which is kind of bizarre. The Action Network isn't good? (I don't bet and have no idea about it, just that Matt Moore writes for them).
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Kibner posted:The Action Network isn't good? (I don't bet and have no idea about it, just that Matt Moore writes for them). Their content is bad but their app is absolutely incredible for tracking bets and finding the best lines.
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The only reason I'm thinking about renewing my coverage at the athletic is both the Chicago papers have made their paywalls impossible so I don't really get decent beat coverage.
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Was hopeful they'd bring back Hornets beat coverage because of the whole LaMelo thing but no dice. I'd pay for the Observer's sports coverage but I honestly get about as much from following the Hornets PR account on Twitter
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Niwrad posted:Local coverage of teams is their best facet, although not something that I think there is particularly high demand for. As said above, it's greatly needed around Chicago. And their Chicago writers are really good. I'm sure YMMV by market, but the guys they have on the Chicago beats are the ones you want to read around here.
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morestuff posted:Was hopeful they'd bring back Hornets beat coverage because of the whole LaMelo thing but no dice. I'd pay for the Observer's sports coverage but I honestly get about as much from following the Hornets PR account on Twitter Yeah, I was gonna sign back up if they restored Hornets coverage myself. I get that we're a small market and still not super relevant, but yeah, if LaMelo couldn't get them back on the beat, I guess little else will.
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angrygodofjebus posted:As said above, it's greatly needed around Chicago. And their Chicago writers are really good. I'm sure YMMV by market, but the guys they have on the Chicago beats are the ones you want to read around here. This + CFB + NASCAR is why I signed up. Decent soccer writing too, though I wish their lower-leagues guy would do a bit more.
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Niwrad posted:My only gripe with The Athletic is they do a lot of stuff but nothing great. Local coverage of teams is their best facet, although not something that I think there is particularly high demand for. Their podcasts are half-assed and forgettable. Fantasy coverage is OK. Same for sports betting. Seems like a better strategy might have been to lean heavily on certain topics where they can be clearly better than any other outlet. There still isn't a good outlet for sports betting which is kind of bizarre. I just let my subscription lapse every year and wait till they throw me a 30 dollar deal. I don't follow many teams but at best I'd call their coverage "meh" with the occasional home run long form piece but it's more of a couple times a week rather than daily site for me. So far they're losing the "Please buy us!" game, but eventually someone will pick it up for pennies on the dollar and run it on the cheap.
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It's just like any other venture capitalist idea, it's subsidized at the beginning than when the VC funds run out, they start scrambling to make it profitable. Either by cutting certain features or raising prices significantly.
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Sam Smith writing trash shouldn't be newsworthy but... https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA/status/1446227591694888962?t=VFl3b6KG4nHwqL6sFV235A&s=19
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What happened with John Clayton? He was one of the go-to guys at ESPN for NFL reporting. They had commercials with him in it. Now seems like he just does some local coverage for some radio affiliates. His Twitter feed is filled with him complaining about DirecTV. Not knocking him as everyone has ups and downs, but does anyone know why he sort of fell so hard?
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Niwrad posted:What happened with John Clayton? He was one of the go-to guys at ESPN for NFL reporting. They had commercials with him in it. Now seems like he just does some local coverage for some radio affiliates. His Twitter feed is filled with him complaining about DirecTV.
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They’ve also been buying out a lot of their traditional reporters over the last few years since they don’t feel they need them
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Niwrad posted:What happened with John Clayton? He was one of the go-to guys at ESPN for NFL reporting. They had commercials with him in it. Now seems like he just does some local coverage for some radio affiliates. His Twitter feed is filled with him complaining about DirecTV. He got fired and hosts a radio show for ESPN radio in Seattle.
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Dexo posted:gently caress Mike Tirico's Italian rear end, and Tony Dungy's too Is this another of the Gruden emails?
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morestuff posted:They’ve also been buying out a lot of their traditional reporters over the last few years since they don’t feel they need them Yeah, they can just have Adam schefter mouthpiece everywhere.
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Nybble posted:more like an entire dumpster full of them, NYT has the story A link to the NYT article might be helpful here, guys. Some select points from the article: quote:Gruden’s messages were sent to Bruce Allen, the former president of the Washington Football Team, and others, while he was working for ESPN as a color analyst during “Monday Night Football.” In the emails, Gruden called the league’s commissioner, Roger Goodell, a “human being” and a “clueless anti football pussy” and said that Goodell should not have pressured Jeff Fisher, then the coach of the Rams, to draft “queers,” a reference to Michael Sam, a gay player chosen by the team in 2014. (Bolding mine -- some are reading this as "Gruden sent these from his ESPN work email," and some writers (Holly Anderson) are suggesting this isn't inaccurate, though it lists Gruden as sending from a personal email address later in the article.) quote:But Gruden’s behavior was not limited to 2011. Gruden exchanged emails with Allen and other men that included photos of women wearing only bikini bottoms, including one photo of two Washington team cheerleaders. quote:Privately, Allen and Gruden appeared to have few boundaries in expressing homophobic and transphobic language. In one email from 2015 that includes Droste, McVay and others, Gruden crudely asked Allen to tell Bryan Glazer, whose family owns the Tampa Bay Buccaneers where Gruden coached until 2008, to perform oral sex on him. Allen said Glazer would “take you up on that offer.” Hooooo boy.
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So ESPN is gonna rehire him no later than next season, right? And he's gonna get most if not all of his remaining contract from the Raiders?
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habeasdorkus posted:So ESPN is gonna rehire him no later than next season, right? And he's gonna get most if not all of his remaining contract from the Raiders? No and no
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habeasdorkus posted:So ESPN is gonna rehire him no later than next season, right? And he's gonna get most if not all of his remaining contract from the Raiders? He resigned For Cause, the raiders don't owe him any of his remaining money.
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habeasdorkus posted:So ESPN is gonna rehire him no later than next season, right? And he's gonna get most if not all of his remaining contract from the Raiders? He bad-mouthed Rodger
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Yeah my favorite part in all of this is how some outlets are running it as as "he badmouthed gay folks, every race, women, and also Roger"
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Spaced God posted:Yeah my favorite part in all of this is how some outlets are running it as as "he badmouthed gay folks, every race, women, and also Roger" I mean Bill Simmons got in trouble for one of those and he's forever banned
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You can disrespect me, call me the f-word, call me the r-word, call me the n-word, whatever. But you disrespect the shield? Buddy, you and me got a problem.
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habeasdorkus posted:So ESPN is gonna rehire him no later than next season, right? And he's gonna get most if not all of his remaining contract from the Raiders? ESPN was where Gruden worked when these emails were sent. They have shown increased concern about their outward image and aren't going to hire a shitload of baggage back. If anyone hires Gruden next year it'll be one of the chuddy places, Fox Sports, Barstool, etc
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Forrest on Fire posted:ESPN was where Gruden worked when these emails were sent. They have shown increased concern about their outward image and aren't going to hire a shitload of baggage back. If anyone hires Gruden next year it'll be one of the chuddy places, Fox Sports, Barstool, etc See that’s the fun part, they made it seem like this all happened while he was a raider. Masterclass in truth massaging
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Forrest on Fire posted:ESPN was where Gruden worked when these emails were sent. They have shown increased concern about their outward image and aren't going to hire a shitload of baggage back. If anyone hires Gruden next year it'll be one of the chuddy places, Fox Sports, Barstool, etc Fox Sports fired Thom Brennaman for one instance of a gay slur. No chance they’re hiring a guy who did that and much more.
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