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Someone actually took an FX4 maverick to an uncontrolled off road setting. I did order an XLT FX4 at another dealership for sticker price but mostly for the blacked wheels and the additional transmission cooling that comes with the package, not expecting to do much if at all off roading besides go up camping trails that any old Subaru can get up. tl;dw: the stock 'all-terrain' tires suck and there's gonna be people that trust that fx4 sticker a little too much in the future that will need to get pulled out of situations they shouldn't be in https://youtu.be/hzfhZPw_gmg
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Kunabomber posted:tl;dw: the stock 'all-terrain' tires suck and there's gonna be people that trust that fx4 sticker a little too much in the future that will need to get pulled out of situations they shouldn't be in A story as old as time The Honda in house but not official race group is testing at Thunderhill, the camo civic si has 12/4/21 on the side of it, so I guess that is the announcement date Pics are from Team Honda Research West, which is a similar setup to the Toyota Proving Grounds team that is made up of Toyota engineers and has a little bit of Toyota support. They used to run a FRS in ST/TT5/Enduro and are now running a Supra in ST/TT3/Enduro in the west; I was at an event on Saturday that they were testing at.     Looks like they are testing classing. Last pic has Hoosiers on it and Toyo RRs in the background. RR gets you points back since it counts as a 100tw tire in NASA. First pic has the new Contintental 200tw tire that I'm guessing they are testing for enduro. BlackMK4 fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Oct 11, 2021 |
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Kunabomber posted:Someone actually took an FX4 maverick to an uncontrolled off road setting. I did order an XLT FX4 at another dealership for sticker price but mostly for the blacked wheels and the additional transmission cooling that comes with the package, not expecting to do much if at all off roading besides go up camping trails that any old Subaru can get up. And stock tires almost always suck for off road. Shocks/springs and tires do a lot for just about an soft-roader.
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Oct 11, 2021 18:22
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ilkhan posted:I rather like that guy as a car reviewer. I like his videos too. Iirc there's one where he takes a Mazda 3 offroad a bit.
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Oct 11, 2021 20:00
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Driving Sports is one of the best YouTube car review channels, he has a normal non-grating personality and generally knows his poo poo. TFL is the worst by virtue of being large enough to get all the interesting early access content but also being run by a disgusting idiot and his dipshit failson.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:07
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That was a good, comprehensive review, and I think it did not bad off road considering it's not in any way meant for that.
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Oct 11, 2021 22:19
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Kunabomber posted:Someone actually took an FX4 maverick to an uncontrolled off road setting. I did order an XLT FX4 at another dealership for sticker price but mostly for the blacked wheels and the additional transmission cooling that comes with the package, not expecting to do much if at all off roading besides go up camping trails that any old Subaru can get up. Thanks for posting this. It was nice to see a very in depth and well thought out video WITH actual testing to back it up.
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Oct 11, 2021 23:51
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All things considered I think it did pretty well. Especially since he has effectively road tires.
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There’s a huge disconnect between what off-road means to normal people and what it means to people who consider it a recreational activity. There’s very few use cases where something like a Wrangler or Bronco are necessary to get somewhere, those things are toys for recreational off-roading in which you’re deliberately finding the gnarliest poo poo, rednecks have been getting full size trucks out into the bush forever for hunting and such.
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Oct 12, 2021 03:58
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Hunters are all using side by sides now though.
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Wheeee posted:Driving Sports is one of the best YouTube car review channels, he has a normal non-grating personality and generally knows his poo poo. I can't stand TFLs new vehicle reviews but their series on budget/older off-roaders have always been entertaining
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Mr. Wiggles posted:Hunters are all using side by sides now though. Yea tbh the idea of a street legal serious off-road vehicle is an anachronism these days, but posers gonna pose
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My favorite stock car off-road test: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2LLMxlkT-Y&t=199s
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A lot of these Maverick reviews are all "rides like a car!" and they show it gliding down relatively smooth pavement. I live in Michigan where roads resemble NASA photos of the moon surface and I was actually surprised by how comfortable something like an F-150 was compared to most cars or crossovers. Maybe it's the advantage in suspension travel, extra sidewall, or the extra level of isolation between frame/body... but I'm starting to get the impression that "rides like a car" is a bad thing. That's almost entirely due to my environment though...probably. Or maybe I'm just getting old and looking for "rides like your grandmothers 1998 Mercury Grand Marquis" is starting to appeal to me greatly. The roads here are really bad y'all. 
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Mental Hospitality posted:A lot of these Maverick reviews are all "rides like a car!" and they show it gliding down relatively smooth pavement. I live in Michigan where roads resemble NASA photos of the moon surface and I was actually surprised by how comfortable something like an F-150 was compared to most cars or crossovers. Maybe it's the advantage in suspension travel, extra sidewall, or the extra level of isolation between frame/body... but I'm starting to get the impression that "rides like a car" is a bad thing. All any driver wants in life is glass-smooth Japanese roads. How are they so good at road surfaces? Are potholes considered dishonourable over there or something?    
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Japan is a fascinatingly unique place due to the events of and especially following WW2 during reconstruction, it's pretty cool. so yea basically it's a megarich advanced nation where people actually still have pride in what they do
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The Swiss love smooth road surfaces but the downside is there are works resurfacing the roads all the time. I don't think I've driven along the Rhône valley autoroute and not hit roadworks once in the last 3.5 years. The difference when you cross into Italy is pretty noticeable. (I just found out that people post videos of just driving around on YouTube, here is someone driving across the Simplon pass. Very relaxing! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CrCbzzRnyUA )
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it's been a while so perhaps it's changed, but i love the experience of driving from Alberta to Saskatchewan on the trans-canada, gliding along beautiful smooth black pavement with a razor-sharp transition precisely on the border to feeling like you just drove onto a fuckin side road
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Sab669 posted:That's actually such a cool photo Hakone mountain pass/turnpike. The one that has featured in a million drift videos over the years and has been immortalised in various anime/manga. Looks like fun.
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I'm in Germany for many weeks here and let me tell you about the Autobahn: The United States does driving so loving wrong, my god
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Olympic Mathlete posted:All any driver wants in life is glass-smooth Japanese roads. How are they so good at road surfaces? Are potholes considered dishonourable over there or something? The mild climate and lack of cold winters means there's no frost heaving so wear and tear on the roads are much less. I don't have any stats to back it up but I also suspect that given the smaller physical distances and extensive rail network, there are fewer of the very large, heavy trucks that cause most of the wear and tear on road surfaces. That and having a reasonable budget for maintenance. I think US states like West Virginia have similarly good roads for the same reasons.
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poo poo if that's all we need to get Japan like roads let's build the loving trains people. Get all these Amazon trucks off the road.
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Throatwarbler posted:The mild climate and lack of cold winters means there's no frost heaving so wear and tear on the roads are much less. I don't have any stats to back it up but I also suspect that given the smaller physical distances and extensive rail network, there are fewer of the very large, heavy trucks that cause most of the wear and tear on road surfaces. That and having a reasonable budget for maintenance. I found this interesting article from a few years back. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/japan-snow-country/426738/ quote:The snow has buried cars and houses and trifled with Japan's famed bullet trains. It has flanked plowed streets with 10-foot-high walls of snow and transformed towns into white labyrinths inside which human beings scurry as if they were mice. … The snow country, or this corner of it at least, began conquering the snow in the late 1960's. Sprinklers were installed in the middle of streets, the first one here in 1972; electrical pumps nowadays send mild underground water to melt the snow all over Tsunan. Some streets, especially those near the train station, are heated. Snowplows clear the roads for the town's 12,000 residents, thanks to the $1 million the town spends on snow removal from its annual $50 million budget. Iceland uses geothermal to heat their streets and pavements too so snow isn't an issue in the towns. Some places seem to do this kinda stuff really well, it's pretty fascinating. 
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Ultimately, the USA could be doing radical bad-rear end stuff like that. We used to. We don't though.
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The A9 autoroute past where I live has built in de-icing, there are brine sprinklers every few metres. Seems to work ok but idk how common that is. I saw quite a few crashes up in Neuchâtel in heavy snow pre-COVID, I had thought that everyone would be used to it and capable but nope. Swiss driving sucks in general though so maybe not surprising.
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KakerMix posted:Ultimately, the USA could be doing radical bad-rear end stuff like that. We used to. Yuup. Republican's aren't interested in building anything for the country anymore, they are only interested in maintaining power and Democrats have zero spine to take the gloves off and do what's necessary to move the country forward. Then combine NIBY cries with socialism accusations along with the implication that funding things will mean higher taxes and nothing gets done. The US is all wedge issues to maintain power, there's no interest in actually governing anymore. Morbid long term look, we may eventually get ourselves into the same place as WWII Japan or Germany so ultimately there may be a reconstruction after the country is smashed!
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Nohearum posted:I can't stand TFLs new vehicle reviews but their series on budget/older off-roaders have always been entertaining Yeah I unsubbed several months ago. I'm not sure if it's their equipment or technique but their videos consistently drift in and out of focus. They also regularly make hot takes with no explanation or logic behind it. I just don't like their content or how they deliver it.
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warning Jalopnik article: Ford's removing the minimum credit score necessary for 84 month auto loans. https://jalopnik.com/ford-wants-to-suck-more-people-into-84-month-loans-1847839621 I don't mind low interest vehicle financing for 60 or 72 months in case of more expensive cars, but even I think 84 month auto loans are a bad idea. It's like we didn't learn anything at all last time things went sideways.
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They actually learned it incredibly well. Make what for a person would be an incredibly poor financial decision, have it implode, then bask in corporate socialism and start the cycle over again.
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This is a trend of financial institutions ditching FICO and it's generally a good thing. FICO has done more harm to lower income people than good. The whole credit score industry is a giant scam with hilarious loopholes. Most banks (and lending institutions) have created their own internal models for deciding if they should lend and how much instead of relying on some other company's number.
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Russian Bear posted:This is a trend of financial institutions ditching FICO and it's generally a good thing. FICO has done more harm to lower income people than good. The whole credit score industry is a giant scam with hilarious loopholes. Most banks (and lending institutions) have created their own internal models for deciding if they should lend and how much instead of relying on some other company's number. I take issue with this reading that FoMoCo has lower income people's interest at heart rather than raw, untamed greed as they stare into the maw of "actually there is a limit to how much you can grow" but deny it anyway as they get eaten.
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KakerMix posted:I take issue with this reading that FoMoCo has lower income people's interest at heart rather than raw, untamed greed as they stare into the maw of "actually there is a limit to how much you can grow" but deny it anyway as they get eaten. Oh that's not what I was intending. Ford is definitely interested in more money by dropping the FICO req so they can lend to more people. I'd hope it works something like this, their internal credit model looks at 6 factors let's say including FICO. Someone who meets all the criteria except the FICO score would normally be rejected under the old model. Or maybe their FICO is 5 points below the threshold or whatever (because the line has to be drawn at a number). So now they would approve this person. Is it a bad fiscal decision? Probably not, especially if we're talking a 0 APR loan. There are many reasons someone might not have a FICO score (immigrant, never had credit of any kind etc.), but otherwise have a solid financial situation.
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Mustache Ride posted:poo poo if that's all we need to get Japan like roads let's build the loving trains people. Get all these Amazon trucks off the road.
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Russian Bear posted:Oh that's not what I was intending. Ford is definitely interested in more money by dropping the FICO req so they can lend to more people. I'd hope it works something like this, their internal credit model looks at 6 factors let's say including FICO. Someone who meets all the criteria except the FICO score would normally be rejected under the old model. Or maybe their FICO is 5 points below the threshold or whatever (because the line has to be drawn at a number). So now they would approve this person. Is it a bad fiscal decision? Probably not, especially if we're talking a 0 APR loan. There are many reasons someone might not have a FICO score (immigrant, never had credit of any kind etc.), but otherwise have a solid financial situation. I'm a bit confused: are you saying the APR of the loan influences how likely someone is to pay it back?
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Ford has always (in my recent experience the last 10 years with them) used a heavily weighted auto enhanced credit scoring model. I guess they're just removing any sort of minimum fico score from their model. ilkhan posted:We really should be building more trains/tracks. Most of our transcontinental train issues arise because we run almost all East/West train traffic through the rail clusterfuck that is Chicago. Never going to happen. edit: For the record, I'm pro public transportation. I would love to be able to hop on a train from San Antonio and relax while I go to Austin to see a concert at Antones or Houston to see a Texans or Astros game. Even if such a rail existed, the depot probably wouldn't be close to intercity transportation. Rail between states would also need to be either way cheaper than flying, or faster, and it will be neither one of those things. What's the advantage of taking rail to say somewhere like Orlando? It'll take 2 days, and cost more than a flight or driving skipdogg fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 12, 2021 |
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KakerMix posted:Ultimately, the USA could be doing radical bad-rear end stuff like that. We used to.
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Mr. Apollo posted:Because taxes may go up, someone may benefit from something that wasn't available to me, and/or why should I pay for something I don't use. I tell you, I am absolutely enjoying my time in Germany. The stark, STARK difference between a functional society and Florida is amazing.
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Russian Bear posted:Oh that's not what I was intending. Ford is definitely interested in more money by dropping the FICO req so they can lend to more people. I'd hope it works something like this, their internal credit model looks at 6 factors let's say including FICO. Someone who meets all the criteria except the FICO score would normally be rejected under the old model. Or maybe their FICO is 5 points below the threshold or whatever (because the line has to be drawn at a number). So now they would approve this person. Is it a bad fiscal decision? Probably not, especially if we're talking a 0 APR loan. There are many reasons someone might not have a FICO score (immigrant, never had credit of any kind etc.), but otherwise have a solid financial situation. That's already how it works with most auto lenders. The FICO score is just one component. I've seen people with 700+ scores get declined for a loan or down payment amount because of light credit history or if you have a mid 600's credit score but have had derogatory marks on auto loans recently. Typically if the score is just below the lending threshold you get a system decline and you can call the bank to see if they will give you a waiver if the rest of the credit history is sufficient. The banks look at a whole range of factors beyond the score itself. They look at debt to income, revolving credit, previous auto loan payment history, vehicle loan to value ratio, etc...
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KakerMix posted:I tell you, I am absolutely enjoying my time in Germany. The stark, STARK difference between a functional society and Florida is amazing. People actually sort their recyclables at public garbage bins. Blew me away.
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