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Dirk Pitt posted:This is giving me cancer. Thanks for the worst thing I’ve seen since this. Oh God I forgot that horseshit. I remember when Folkpartiet (pre-L) had a slogan about “Feminism utan socialism!” which was absolute hilariously stupid.
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Which in turn spawned the clip(s) of Sjöstedt saying "Feminism... och fett med socialism" 😬 It was an unfortunate series of events Beeswax fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Oct 11, 2021 |
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Randarkman posted:What's going on with his beard? It's like it's mostly just a beard that's cut into a normal beard style but that beard has grown another beard. It's just a long beard that is becoming a bit unkempt while also being up pushed forward by his upper chest. Maybe he is trying to untidy his appearance so that he can become the ultimate Rasputin-like twitter troll now that M appears to be throwing him out in the cold. But really it's probably just him choosing a bad angle for posing.
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Ra ra Rasputin, chats with girls who are 16
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Beeswax posted:Ra ra Rasputin, chats with girls who are 16 god can this thread have a subtitle, please
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A good (old) article about the hypocrisy of Vilks: https://www.aftonbladet.se/kultur/a/kaKkqA/sluta-mumla-vilks
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Frustrating to see Hanif have a better take on marijuana legislation than V. While V wants to invest in more cops as a solution. Hanif points out that cops overwhelmingly just spends billions abusing end users while having no effect at all on the supply chain. How is Sweden so backwards on this of all topics? is marijuana too ethnic or what?
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Feliday Melody posted:Frustrating to see Hanif have a better take on marijuana legislation than V. While V wants to invest in more cops as a solution. Hanif points out that cops overwhelmingly just spends billions abusing end users while having no effect at all on the supply chain. Marijuana is too ethnic. White people do coke. (Or loving GHB if you're living on the west coast for some weird reason) lilljonas fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Oct 12, 2021 |
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I swear. If you could ferment pine cones into literal snus-heroin. It would get legalized quicker than pot.
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Och här satt jag med bananskal och mörk sirap för att tillverka hasch
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Feliday Melody posted:How is Sweden so backwards on this of all topics? is marijuana too ethnic or what? Scandinavia in general is 10 years behind on this, no?
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I'm always a little confused when people say that marijuana has an ethnic slant, because it's definitely not the case in denmark. It's way more of a class thing than a ethnicity thing in denmark. The organized crime surrounding it has become more ethnic I guess. Maybe it's an effect of having christiania.
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I don't know about the rest of Scandinavia. But Sweden has an unusually repressive drug policy based on moralism and politicians scoring easy points since the 60's by "going hard" on drug use instead of investing in preventions and treatments. Addicts, much like poor people, have chosen their lifestyle and misery. So why should we help them? End result is one of the highest (if not the highest?) overdose death rates in Europe. I mean, merely the act of picking any of the naturally occurring psychedelic mushrooms in this country is a criminal act. I did read somewhere that more needle exchange programs have started popping up again, so maybe things are changing. anatomi fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I'm always a little confused when people say that marijuana has an ethnic slant, because it's definitely not the case in denmark. It's way more of a class thing than a ethnicity thing in denmark. The organized crime surrounding it has become more ethnic I guess. Maybe it's an effect of having christiania. It's definitely more of a class thing, yeah. For those not familiar with Danish views on drugs, weed is seen as a lower-class "slacker" drug, similar to cheap strong beer and supermarket liquor. It signals that you have sort of given up and have no ambition in life, at least in the public perception. That is changing a bit, with academics and others embracing a bit of weed on the weekends, but it's a slow change. Alcohol is of course stratified into lower-class and upper-class, depending on price. It's fine to get your booze on, as long as the wine is fancy or the whisky is old. But if you're drinking cheap beer on a bench in the park, that's sad and a societal problem. Coke is the drug of choice for dynamic go-getters and partying, so that's similar to a lot of other countries. We don't have nearly as much of a crack, heroin and meth problem as other countries do. On the other hand, alcoholism is a major problem. KozmoNaut fucked around with this message at 09:09 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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KozmoNaut posted:Alcohol is of course stratified into lower-class and upper-class, depending on price. It's fine to get your booze on, as long as the wine is fancy or the whisky is old. But if you're drinking cheap beer on a bench in the park, that's sad and a societal problem. Yet our economy runs on beer, cheap or otherwise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUjpWjEMbHY E: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de93Fyyoz0g Just realised this was the wrong link, a full day after the fact. I need a drink. THE BAR fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Beer is a working-class drink, and the working class is the fundament of the entire economy, that checks out.
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I can’t speak for Denmark, but I’ve always found disconcerting how quiet addiction is in Sweden. Like clearly there are addicts, this isn’t a cultural bound syndrome, but there i don’t see a “recovery culture” here. The closest I’ve seen are two tattoo artists I follow on IG who are also very open about being in recovery and getting sober, and yknow, living the day to day poo poo. Otherwise, outside of one major exception in my life, most addicts, sober or otherwise, are VERY tight lipped about it, unless they’re drunk (which is a whole other bonkers can of worms). Like I know there’s rehab if you go through a hospital here but I couldn’t tell you where a 12 step would meet, or how to socialize with others in a sober environment. I don’t even want to look at the Narcan situation here, it’ll just depress me. Compared to my friends in the states where there is a robust culture around addiction, whether dealing with it themselves, their loved ones, recovery, support groups, memes, etc. This is super common around my age group and maybe Gen X, and likely due to the opioid, opiate and meth epidemics and how treating addicts like garbage never seemed to help (what a twist), and the hilariously failed war on drugs. The US and Sweden aren’t a 1:1 but there’s still an obvious difference, even on the surface. As someone who knows and loves addicts here in Sweden, and is a user themselves, I don’t see the lay of the land changing much. I’ve lost (and still continue to) lose friends in the US to addiction, and I cannot imagine how the situation is here, if it’ll ever be exposed to daylight.
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Recovery culture humanises the addict — and that's not compatible with the kind of drug policy that we've been mainlining the last 60-ish years. It still exists, although the available treatments/programs vary a lot from county to county. But like you said ... It's awfully quiet at the discourse level. Addiction is a character flaw and shameful. So we don't talk about it except in terms of punishment. It reminds me a lot of how we deal with mental issues — unless it's something "neat" and Svensson like mild depression or ADHD we don't really talk about it. We hardly even treat it. Edit: sorry for being so gloomy. I grew up in an addict home and around addict friends, and have had jobs involving addicts and people with mental health issues. I despise the trend in politics about "tuffare tag" against this and that since I know that it's just going to cause more suffering. anatomi fucked around with this message at 10:38 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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anatomi posted:End result is one of the highest (if not the highest?) overdose death rates in Europe. Can't be higher than Norway surely, there wouldn't be anyone left.
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anatomi posted:Recovery culture humanises the addict — and that's not compatible with the kind of drug policy that we've been mainlining the last 60-ish years. There’s nothing wrong with being gloomy, I come from a similar situation (not raised in a home with addiction, but that and MH issues have been a part of my life since birth). And framing it the way you did is pretty enlightening to the eternal icke-svenne som jag!
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teen witch posted:I don’t even want to look at the Narcan situation here, it’ll just depress me. Can't speak to Sweden on this, but Narcan is given out free of charge to users in Norway and the police, ambulance service and private security companies are supposed to carry it as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIvpqT7o74U And I think you can even get some for free as a non-user by asking at certain clinics/places, there's like 13 of them in Oslo and there's a list of all the locations nation wide here: https://www.nalokson.uio.no/hvordan-finne/
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teen witch posted:There’s nothing wrong with being gloomy, I come from a similar situation (not raised in a home with addiction, but that and MH issues have been a part of my life since birth). It's great that we lock addicts up forever in a Swedish special mental hell prison were they have no way of getting out unless the benevolent masters let them. https://sverigesradio.se/avsnitt/1803504
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Crespolini posted:Can't be higher than Norway surely, there wouldn't be anyone left. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Norway is still only beat by Estonia and Scotland in terms of IV overdose. And Norwegian addicts have always been highly visible, which also means at times "drug policy" has consisted of loosing the police on heroin addicts and just trying to chase them away to somwhere they are less obviously visible.
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KozmoNaut posted:We don't have nearly as much of a crack, heroin and meth problem as other countries do. On the other hand, alcoholism is a major problem. I think it's become better in recent years, but only a few years ago the average Dane imbibed something like 13 liters of pure alcohol every year. They've also started addressing the insane drinking culture among the youth a bit. But it remains a massive problem. Reminder that perhaps the staunchest "anti-drug" party had their leader drunk drive himself into a concrete divider.
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anatomi posted:Recovery culture humanises the addict — and that's not compatible with the kind of drug policy that we've been mainlining the last 60-ish years. I hate drug politics so much. The discourse surrounding it goes from puritan poo poo to stoner romanticism with no inbetween. Personally I think decriminalizing addiction by not arresting people who seek treatment is a good start. In addition, the main problem with stuff like prohibition is that it just ends up putting alot of poor people in jail, not that you can't get high. What I really do hate is the libertarian bullshit "I do what i want to my own body" crap. Not at all, our freedom as a collective is dependant on you taking care of yourself. It is totally fine to have preferably poltical or even market restrictions on what people can or cannot do in order to determine how useful it is to the greater whole. What a person might want could be useless, especially as it relates to our ability to secure our rights as workers. Our freedom and quality of life, even in a socialist sense, is entirely dependant on the labour of others, be it as civil servants or food and entertainment producers. None of these things will happen if we all become disorganised opium addicts. That said, addiction is a disease and need to be treated as one, not as a moral failing or criminal act.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Personally I think decriminalizing addiction by not arresting people who seek treatment is a good start. 
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Poil posted:I... What? Why... would... you... do... that?! Even an utter moron could easily figure out that would only stop people from seeking treatment. There literally only one party in Swedish parliament that wants to even look into decriminalizing substance use.  It's V
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Poil posted:I... What? Why... would... you... do... that?! Even an utter moron could easily figure out that would only stop people from seeking treatment. yeah
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Poil posted:I... What? Why... would... you... do... that?! Even an utter moron could easily figure out that would only stop people from seeking treatment. Boomer socdem puritanism from the Myrdal era, it's probably way earlier than that actually. It's for their own good you see. Not that the opposition has thought any different. Postorder Trollet89 fucked around with this message at 17:44 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Cynic Jester posted:Wow, the dental care reform sure is something . Revolutionary, if I may say so myself.
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Postorder Trollet89 posted:Boomer socdem puritanism from the Myrdal era, it's probably way earlier than that actually. Swedes and other Scandinavins, particularly the poorer segments of society, were literally killing themselves with alcoholism when the workers movement kicked off though. So it's easy to backtrack the roots of the drug puritanism.
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It sure is fun and good for the future of our country that the media runs around in circles asking everyone and everything "but can we REALLY use the colour brown to describe these politics?" Literally nothing about the political discourse these last few days has been about anything beyond the most shallow identity politics.
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Did we cover that Danish police recently came out with an official opinion that legalisation of weed would be very bad, everyone would start using both weed and crack immediately, gangs will continue serving at lower prices and also more violence.https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/kommunalvalg/rigspolitiet-nedsabler-spidskandidats-droem-om-fri-hash-i-koebenhavn posted:Rigspolitiet påpeger, at hvis hashen i en eller anden form gives fri, vil det skubbe forbruget over på andre former for narkotika, samtidig med at hashforbruget vil stige. Derudover er vurderingen, at der stadig vil være et sort marked, hvor bander vil kunne sælge hashen for en lavere pris This is of course based on sound empirical research and careful consideration* *Working backwards from the conclusion and finding a few supporting facts.
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