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KingKalamari posted:So, James "Grimachu" Desborough is trying to get into a one-sided "DEBATE ME!" slap fight with me on Twitter over a vague reference I made to him a month ago? I kind of want to share the exchange, but it's through an account I use for NSFW side projects I don't know if I want to share with the world?
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I don't think you'd have posted that if you didn't want to share.
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Oct 13, 2021 19:50
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Alright, but I reserve the right to destroy this post if things Get Weird with the NSFW art communities I run in... https://twitter.com/dymmir/status/1434658754717536259 https://twitter.com/Grimasaur/status/1448315607112429571 https://twitter.com/Grimasaur/status/1448349055692771329 https://twitter.com/Grimasaur/status/1448356504344666112 https://twitter.com/Grimasaur/status/1448357238855241729 https://twitter.com/Grimasaur/status/1448360638573645826 It's legitimately amazing how little effort it takes to get him to go off on this poo poo...
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Oct 13, 2021 20:14
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Imagine defending Gor. That doesn't seem more than background level chud abrasiveness though. Don't take it personally, it's a dog barking because that's its only word.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:21
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It's not much of a conversation. You're like "James Desborough is a gross creep" and he's like "I have the right to be a gross creep, good day sir." Gor cosplayers are puzzling. Gor is rape and bondage porn written by a creepy little man who doesn't seem to have ever had any actual experience with BDSM. I don't know why anyone with any actual experience with BDSM would cotton onto it.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:22
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Oh, I'm definitely not taking this personally. I'm honestly more amused by it than anything else, especially given the absolute minimal amount of effort I had to put out to keep this guy going. It's just a constant stream of: "DEBATE ME, COWARD!" "No, you're dumb" "YOUR REFUSAL TO ENGAGE WITH ME ONLY SOLIDIFIES MY VICTORY!"
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Oct 13, 2021 20:24
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Halloween Jack posted:It's not much of a conversation. You're like "James Desborough is a gross creep" and he's like "I have the right to be a gross creep, good day sir."
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Oct 13, 2021 20:25
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Hmm, looks like Grim there is doing some ban evasion, would be a drat shame if a bunch of people reported him all of a sudden…
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Oct 13, 2021 20:28
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Halloween Jack posted:It's not much of a conversation. You're like "James Desborough is a gross creep" and he's like "I have the right to be a gross creep, good day sir." Spoken like someone who has never sat down and read all 40 books of badly written porn I make the officially licensed RPG for! If you'd actually read every book you'd realize it's just a weirdly pornographic setting. Very little of the mediocre D grade fantasy novels is explicitly sex. Furthermore the weirdos who base their sex life around the books tell me they aren't rapists and have never actually built a society around heavily gendered sexual slavery. e: I mean are there really even many gorean kinksters? It seemed like everyone into it back in the baby internet days was like 40 or 50 in the late 90's. I just assumed the folks who liked it were nerds who only had it as a touchstone of pop culture kink. I wouldn't think there'd be much reproduction of it, especially since there are bigger cultural touchstones for kink and bdsm. Like I'd imagine 50 shades of grey weirdos would have fully replaced gor ones among younger people. Coolness Averted fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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Oct 13, 2021 20:28
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Remembering the incident a few years ago where he was tweeting some serious self harm/suicidal poo poo and the only people who bothered to make sure he was still alive were the people who hated his guts.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:39
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My first job was in a lovely contact center. One of the weirdos I worked with (among many who've become life-long friends) was completely obsessed with Gor. He'd tell me all about how awesome it was while we were on break and I just hmm'd and nodded because I didn't know what else to do. He did this over and over again, telling me stories about some... MUD? IRC game? I don't remember but drat. He was a pretty pathetic dude, and it just made me never want to even consider checking it out.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:52
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The inherent fallacy with arguing that someone has never read Gor and therefore doesn't know anything about it is defeated by the fact that any mention of Gor online (other than here, thankfully) will always summon up some deeply uncomfortable person who will paradoxically try to defend how great the Gor books are by enumerating all the horrific aspects of them. I honestly can't think of another fandom that so readily defends itself by just aggressively putting its worst foot forward at every opportunity. As for Gor BDSM play, I have no idea if it's common or not (I know a local con used to have a "Gor reenactment party" that was never well attended and went away a few years back) but the one person I've ever known that was really into the sexual aspect of Gor is also in prison now for violent assault/abuse.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:57
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The thing about Gor is that it's just a ripoff of Barsoom, with lots of rape. When people talk it up as a work of art...well, I knew someone who said she's not a libertarian, she reads Ayn Rand for her brilliant prose. Sick poo poo.
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Oct 13, 2021 20:57
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Isn't Desborough the Black Tokyo guy? I'm mixing up the people who showed up on F&F.
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Oct 13, 2021 21:43
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Black Tokyo was Chris Field, Desborough wrote "In Defense of Rape" which tells you all you gotta know.
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Oct 13, 2021 21:51
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MonsieurChoc posted:Isn't Desborough the Black Tokyo guy? I'm mixing up the people who showed up on F&F. No, that’s Chris Fields. But Fields also did that “Tournament of Rapists” supplement, so it’d be easy to confuse the two. edit: scooped!
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Oct 13, 2021 21:52
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At a guess, it’s because the gross stuff is the point to fans of Gor. Outside of its enigma-machine-made-of-rubix-cubes problematic sex stuff, the stories are incredibly bland and generic.
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Oct 13, 2021 22:23
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Deborough probably legit wishes he was some measure of "creative" enough to come up with Field's "Otherverse: America" but thankfully he isn't.
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Oct 13, 2021 22:31
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Halloween Jack posted:Gor cosplayers are puzzling. Gor is rape and bondage porn written by a creepy little man who doesn't seem to have ever had any actual experience with BDSM. I don't know why anyone with any actual experience with BDSM would cotton onto it. Some people are super into that kind of formalized hierarchy with long-term total abrogation of personal autonomy as a kink.
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Oct 13, 2021 23:37
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Never forget that significant chunks of Gor are a college professor writing about college women stumbling into another world and being forcefully disabused of the notion that they have rights or autonomy and that they like it better that way in the end raped until they like it. It is spectacularly loving creepy.
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Oct 14, 2021 00:11
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My apologies to Fields then.
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Halloween Jack posted:It's not much of a conversation. You're like "James Desborough is a gross creep" and he's like "I have the right to be a gross creep, good day sir." Unfortunately I have very detailed suspicions about why people with abusive intentions would latch onto a subculture that has ample members who are interested in BDSM but not knowledgeable about it. It is easy to persuade someone to accept your horrible version of what a top/dom is if they have no idea what an actual functional non-abusive one looks like.
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As you probably know, there are plenty of predatory creeps seeking interested-but-ignorant people within the BDSM subculture! As a matter of fact, Desborough reminds me of a certain type of guy I'm familiar with--they say they're an "100% alpha dom," but what they mean is that they're an extremely vanilla straight guy who doesn't know the difference between porn and sex. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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Oct 14, 2021 16:48
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Feel like the admins wasted an opportunity not changing TradGames' Halloween name to the "The Funk of 40,000 Years" line from Thriller.
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super sweet best pal posted:Feel like the admins wasted an opportunity not changing TradGames' Halloween name to the "The Funk of 40,000 Years" line from Thriller.
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Oct 17, 2021 09:54
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What's the full title of Lancer? can't find it on Amazon and it doesn't show up in systems of RPG driverthrough.
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Oct 17, 2021 09:57
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ninjoatse.cx posted:What's the full title of Lancer? can't find it on Amazon and it doesn't show up in systems of RPG driverthrough. They only sell it on their itch.io page, so you wouldn't find it on Drivethru.
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Oct 17, 2021 10:40
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1st Stage Midboss posted:They only sell it on their itch.io page, so you wouldn't find it on Drivethru. That's an... odd... choice. What's up with that? ninjoatse.cx fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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Oct 17, 2021 11:01
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ninjoatse.cx posted:That's an... odd... choice. What's up with that? They don't need the exposure and the itch.io cut is as low as you want to set it, instead of the DTRPG cut being 30-35%.
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Oct 17, 2021 11:09
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Lemon-Lime posted:They don't need the exposure and the itch.io cut is as low as you want to set it, instead of the DTRPG cut being 30-35%. Didn't know DTRPG was app store levels of grift. Lancer's that popular just from word of mouth?
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Lancer's that popular just from word of mouth? It had an existing fan community because one of the two authors already had a popular webcomic, and a $500k Kickstarter campaign - pretty much everyone who cares about mecha tabletop RPGs has heard about it at some point by now.
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Oct 17, 2021 11:24
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Didn't know DTRPG was app store levels of grift. DTRPG was until recently a functional monopoly in the pdf sales marketplace. It's taken a concerted effort by indie RPG people to establish a corner of itch as a secondary marketplace and DTRPG is still the dominant force.
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Oct 17, 2021 11:58
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Lemon-Lime posted:It had an existing fan community because one of the two authors already had a popular webcomic, and a $500k Kickstarter campaign - pretty much everyone who cares about mecha tabletop RPGs has heard about it at some point by now. Everyone who got that 2019 BLM Bundle from itch.io also now owns Lancer. Also Blades in the Dark, and Costume Fairy Adventures, and This Discord Has Ghosts In it. And Troika if you like bad games and nostalgia, I suppose.
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Oct 17, 2021 12:02
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bewilderment posted:[...] if you like bad games and nostalgia, I suppose. I mean, why else be on Something Awful, really?
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Oct 17, 2021 12:44
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potatocubed posted:DTRPG was until recently a functional monopoly in the pdf sales marketplace. It's taken a concerted effort by indie RPG people to establish a corner of itch as a secondary marketplace and DTRPG is still the dominant force. Isn't the narrative it's mostly worth it (if you don't have a built-in audience like Lancer, of course) to have your game on both platforms because the number of people who see it on DTRPG evens out the large bite they take?
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Oct 17, 2021 15:12
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I also believe that, back when Lancer was first published, DTRPG was putting their foot in their mouth over one issue or another. Again.
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Oct 17, 2021 15:22
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Kinda pointless based on Lancer's sales model, which is to offer the rules for free, but you support the devs and get the pretty PDF for money. Point them to one store that takes a low cut and is slightly less evil.
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Dawgstar posted:Isn't the narrative it's mostly worth it (if you don't have a built-in audience like Lancer, of course) to have your game on both platforms because the number of people who see it on DTRPG evens out the large bite they take? I mean, that's the approach I take but it's not the only path to success. Itch is a vastly better platform but it has exactly nil discoverability, so unless you're popular and/or constantly self-promoting to drive sales there your income vanishes to zero very quickly. DTRPG has a lot of built-in ways to put your product in front of people's eyes even before you get into their (broken) publisher promotion system so I still get passive income there from products I released years ago. But that said plenty of people make more on itch than I do across both platforms together, so it's entirely possible I just suck at monetising that platform. P.S. Buy my stuff. potatocubed fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Oct 17, 2021 |
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bewilderment posted:Everyone who got that 2019 BLM Bundle from itch.io also now owns Lancer. Also Blades in the Dark, and Costume Fairy Adventures, and This Discord Has Ghosts In it. If anyone is wondering what else might be on that, I recently stumbled on this: https://twitter.com/valdasine/status/1279257431160348672
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Dawgstar posted:Isn't the narrative it's mostly worth it (if you don't have a built-in audience like Lancer, of course) to have your game on both platforms because the number of people who see it on DTRPG evens out the large bite they take? To be fair, LANCER doesn't need discoverability to be a high profile indie success now, and I don't think the devs are interested in optimizing profits with hosting on DTRPG. Not to the point of compromising on the fact that DTRPG has done a lot of poo poo in recent years they don't like or want to tacitly endorse, at least.
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