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Save some money on a 750W power supply, pay more for a different board with a USB C header. Personally I think a 360mm on a 5600x is pointless when you can get all the cooling that CPU needs from a $50 air cooler but I understand that you have the big case and want to fill it with stuff so I’ll defer to someone else who is more that way inclined. That said yes it generally is advisable to buy all of your RGB fans from the same company so they can all be run off the same software and that case comes with an inbuilt fan hub which will help you out.
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I've never touched a liquid cooler myself but Gamers Nexus has a couple videos I watched that I feel like I learned a lot from. Here's a few: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7VzXHUTqE7E https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPaSEGe6ML0 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQRwn-lecnk e: that specific cooler in the review may be overkill for the 5600x Shear Modulus fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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So I'm reading that Win11 is causing people with AMD CPUs to have lower performance compared to Intel? That's just great, MS.
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There's really no reason to use Windows 11 right now unless you're into schadenfreude. Just wait a year while the kinks get worked out.
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Mu Zeta posted:There's really no reason to use Windows 11 right now unless you're into schadenfreude. Just wait a year while the kinks get worked out. poo poo's out already? What are the pros vs cons?
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doomrider7 posted:poo poo's out already? What are the pros vs cons? here are some of the exciting features: - you have to always be logged in to a microsoft account to use your computer - it won't work on processors older than 4 years or so - the new security requirement may or may not make dual booting linux impossible, who knows! - it adds a bunch more preinstalled panels of poo poo like weather and news stories on the start menu - it comes with microsoft teams preinstalled and integrated
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Hey goons, I have a simple ‘problem’; I have a 3 fan Gigabyte RTX 3060, a spare 500W PSU, and several 3.5” backup drives kicking around. Rather the card and PSU, i was thinking about making a small, dedicated rig that would serve two purposes: 1.) Play games on the living room TV (4K, but I understand 3060 limits me to 1080 on modern games) 2.) House 4x3.5” Hard Drives to be used as network accessible media server and backup What’s my path toward such a build? I’d like it to be as small and lean as possible while accommodating the GPU and HD. I will run the OS and games from an M.2 and reserve the HDDs as backups to be shared over the internal network. I know jack about small form motherboards, cases, or dedicated gaming rigs and would probably way overshoot my needs. I’m used to building high end work stations in large cases. I’m looking for recommendations for: Case Mobo CPU RAM (including amount) I have a 4-bay USB dock where I could plunk some or all of the HDDs if it saves me space in the case proper, and just connect it to the back panel of the case. That’s my current solution, but it’s hot in my small office and it would be nice to move it. Maybe a case that can fit a 3fan 2 slot GPU will be big enough though? Ideally, I’d like Bluetooth and wireless capability built in for connecting controllers, but if there is a second M.2 for that purpose I’d be fine. If I could rank the order of priorities (most to least important): Cost Size Noise Performance Thermals PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 01:28 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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'SFF case' and 'holds 4 3.5" drives' are extremely mutually exclusive. SFF cases are built around GPU and CPU cooler compatibility, not huge amounts of HDD storage. You'll find plenty that fit larger GPUs than yours but only 1 3.5" drive so I'd go with the separate USB linked dock idea. There's a dedicated SFF thread that would be better able to help you out with more specialised recommendations.
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Butterfly Valley posted:'SFF case' and 'holds 4 3.5" drives' are extremely mutually exclusive. SFF cases are built around GPU and CPU cooler compatibility, not huge amounts of HDD storage. You'll find plenty that fit larger GPUs than yours but only 1 3.5" drive so I'd go with the separate USB linked dock idea. This. Build an SFF pc with the GPU and PSU (if you can get a case you are happy with that fits) and buy a NAS enclosure for the 3.5” drives.
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What does this thread think about postponing a build a year in anticipation of (cheaper?) DDR5?
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Rinkles posted:What does this thread think about postponing a build a year in anticipation of (cheaper?) DDR5? Pointless Edit: making predictions about pricing and availability a year out with the continuing state of things is a fool's errand. That said DDR5 isn't even on the market yet so imagining it will be cheaper than what's currently available in a year's time seems... optimistic. I wasn't in the PC building game at the DDR3/4 changeover but I imagine it took a while before the new RAM came down in price enough to make it worthwhile upgrading. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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Shear Modulus posted:here are some of the exciting features: None of these but the last one are true. You do need a microsoft account to install windows 11 (though there are workarounds), but you can still create local accounts after installation. It will work on older processors, microsoft just isn't "guaranteeing" updates (if something doesn't work because your hardware isn't supported, they won't bother patching a fix) You can absolutely still dual boot linux since you don't actually need to have secure boot enabled It does change the start menu and many people may find it annoying, but it doesn't add those panels to it. it adds them to a separate widgets menu that you can very easily get rid of. I've also never once seen teams open and do anything even though it did indeed come preinstalled. I don't know to what degree it's "integrated." I think it's just like edge, something you can ignore and forget exists. I'm not defending windows 11 because I think there's a lot you can dislike about it, but at least try not to mislead people who are asking about it. Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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Mu Zeta posted:There's really no reason to use Windows 11 right now unless you're into schadenfreude. Just wait a year while the kinks get worked out.
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Butterfly Valley posted:'SFF case' and 'holds 4 3.5" drives' are extremely mutually exclusive. SFF cases are built around GPU and CPU cooler compatibility, not huge amounts of HDD storage. You'll find plenty that fit larger GPUs than yours but only 1 3.5" drive so I'd go with the separate USB linked dock idea. There's a dedicated SFF thread that would be better able to help you out with more specialised recommendations. I had ruled out an honest-to-god SFF pc on account of the cost, standard ATX power brick, and the triple fan 2/2.5 slot GPU. Figured I’d be going for the next best thing, maybe mini tower. But perhaps this is a bad assumption. I’ll take a look at the thread. Thanks.
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Butterfly Valley posted:'SFF case' and 'holds 4 3.5" drives' are extremely mutually exclusive. SFF cases are built around GPU and CPU cooler compatibility, not huge amounts of HDD storage. You'll find plenty that fit larger GPUs than yours but only 1 3.5" drive so I'd go with the separate USB linked dock idea. There's a dedicated SFF thread that would be better able to help you out with more specialised recommendations. I'll ask in that thread too, but is that still the case if you don't want a dedicated GPU? What about a case for integrated graphics only, it seems like it'd be possible to do a pretty small case like a thicker Asus Deskmini with some 3.5" drives. Does anybody make that?
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Twerk from Home posted:I'll ask in that thread too, but is that still the case if you don't want a dedicated GPU? What about a case for integrated graphics only, it seems like it'd be possible to do a pretty small case like a thicker Asus Deskmini with some 3.5" drives. Does anybody make that? If you’re mostly concerned with 3.5” NAS or media server you can get a RaspberryPi + the 4-Bay Sabrent USB dock I mentioned having, which was my plan for getting it out of my room before I started getting silly ideas about dedicated SFF build. Alternatively, the Phanteks P200A might work? Turns out that one can actually accommodate 4x3.5" HDDs and 2x2.5HDDs in a slightly larger form factor than the nr200. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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PoizenJam posted:Hey goons, I have a simple ‘problem’; I have a 3 fan Gigabyte RTX 3060, a spare 500W PSU, and several 3.5” backup drives kicking around. Rather the card and PSU, i was thinking about making a small, dedicated rig that would serve two purposes: First of all, noise and thermals are the same thing. It doesn't matter how warm or cool your components are running as long as they're not thermal throttling or overheating. A hot system is frequently a loud system, however, due to the cooling required. So the systems that are thermally managed well also tend to be the quietest systems. Second of all, I feel like tossing your network storage into your living room PC is the wrong way to do it if you don't want a big box sitting next to the TV. It seems unlikely that you'll find an aesthetically pleasing small box that will fit all that. Most modern SFF cases can handle two-slot triaxial GPUs just fine. The NR200 is a current popular case for that. Definitely check out the SFF thread.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:First of all, noise and thermals are the same thing. It doesn't matter how warm or cool your components are running as long as they're not thermal throttling or overheating. Of course, I only mean to emphasize that I am not planning to overclock or push this PC excessively hard; so the quietest route to 'not thermal throttling or overheating' is preferred. As for sticking the network storage in the living room- hiding it wouldn't be a problem if the hypothetical case accommodated it, but even with the dock solution there's plenty of spots on our Ikea entertainment stand that it could be tucked out of sight even while connected to a SFF pc  Putting it at the back of a book shelf out of ear/eye shot in a large, well ventilated living room beats putting 4 tiny space heaters in mine or my partners smaller, less-ventilated office rooms.Thanks for the case suggestion.
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:None of these but the last one are true. I'm glad to be corrected because I was just repeating what I'd heard elsewhere and wasn't enthused about any of it
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Shear Modulus posted:I'm glad to be corrected because I was just repeating what I'd heard elsewhere and wasn't enthused about any of it I’m glad, too. Also, has MS done dodgy stuff with MS Store information or something? I see people getting real salty about creating a MS account, but I’ve always just been connected to a random gmail account or hotmail or one of dozens of other throwaways on any website but MS. I’ve bought stuff from the store because of convenience but I don’t think you have to give up your bank information or anything or let them keep payment info. I could be totally wrong, my main hotmail account is over twenty years old, so I know I would not know of any modern changes. If it’s just for worrying about your privacy, then I get it. I understand. I occasionally get a terms of service letter with changes but nobody reads that. I am not a fan of Google/Twitter/FB but I know they’ve been janky before anybody knew how they were janky. I also use a prepaid debit for any online purchase, and I rarely leave more than $40-50 available for longer than 30 minutes. Is MS doing something with my account information besides targeting ads?
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Probably not? Not moreso than anyone else. The OS is the heart of the computer though, you're limited in your abilities to mitigate their surveillance and they could potentially cast a much greater snooping net than anyone else. For most people though I suspect it's purely a matter of principal. You've accepted that there's no privacy online, giving up privacy on your desktop is another matter.
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Shear Modulus posted:I'm glad to be corrected because I was just repeating what I'd heard elsewhere and wasn't enthused about any of it I've got Windows 11 and Debian 11 dualbooting on my laptop and my only real complaint so far is not being able to ungroup the taskbar. It's just icons with lines or dots underneath them instead of the full name of each window. Out-of-the-box Windows is never going to be amazing, but you can usually configure it close to what you want. I had to go through a lot fewer steps on Windows 11 than on 10, even on a fresh install. I don't think some of the advertised features are even here yet, like Android apps (through the Amazon appstore) and regular .exe programs through the Windows store. I just upgraded now to save me time upgrading later. E: On Linux, KDE Plasma is by default set up to give you a Windows-like desktop that can be configured exactly as you want. Gnome is really good too if you use extensions like Dash-to-panel and ArcMenu. You can basically get the Windows 7 start menu back without the drawbacks of using an unsupported OS. That Fucking Sned fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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The SFF thread was great for getting an idea of the cases on the market and some practical build advice. Turns out the Fractal Design Node 304 is my case of choice- it will fit the GPU and 4x3.5” HDDs (6 if you don’t have a GPU- may be useful for Twerk from Home if you’re still reading) discrete package that fits on the entertainment stand. I could still use some CPU recommendation + RAM amount. What’s the cheapest option I have for a CPU that would be able to handle games + the occassional stream alongside the 3060? I do not tend to play current year Triple A titles at max settings on 4K nor do I expect to. I do have Flight Simulator, but I’m more likely to play GTA V, Rocket League, and stuff like The Dark Pictures or Life is Strange in the living room. During downtime it may be used for serving files on the network or watching streaming media. I tend to go for flagship processors like the 10700k on my main builds because I do everything from gaming to media production to big data analysis. But I think that’d be overkill here. My best guess for RAM needs is 16gb.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:Probably not? Not moreso than anyone else. The OS is the heart of the computer though, you're limited in your abilities to mitigate their surveillance and they could potentially cast a much greater snooping net than anyone else. For most people though I suspect it's purely a matter of principal. You've accepted that there's no privacy online, giving up privacy on your desktop is another matter. I can see that. I just personally feel my data has been out there for so long, and my entire network of devices don’t even touch online banking except for a prepaid card/virtual card with no money. My iPhone keeps up with data compromising hacks, and I’ve started using a totally new online persona not linked to any others. Stuff like Twitter I just left, though, but I at least change passwords every 90 days on them all.
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DerekSmartymans posted:I at least change passwords every 90 days on them all. You are using a password manager, yes? Changing passwords only prevents against unauthorized access when your password has been leaked. If changing it regularly leads to using weaker passwords (i.e. every office worker ever) then it's more detrimental to security than just using a strong (randomly generated, of sufficient length, potentially all character types, etc) password (and not reusing passwords). 'course, if you are using strong passwords it's not detrimental to change them as a preemptive defense against undiscovered hacks, just rather a bother.
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CoolCab posted:prolly a 5600x and 16 gigs of at least 3000 ideally 3600mhz ram i had to go look this up because i still can't completely remember intel naming (getting better though!). you could go much cheaper in escalating cost with the 3100 or 3300x if you can find it, i can vouch for the 3300x to be a killer chip, or the i5-10400 if you want to remain in intel and because it's cheaper than the 3600.
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CoolCab posted:i had to go look this up because i still can't completely remember intel naming (getting better though!). you could go much cheaper in escalating cost with the 3100 or 3300x if you can find it, i can vouch for the 3300x to be a killer chip, or the i5-10400 if you want to remain in intel and because it's cheaper than the 3600. I have no brand loyalty for either, but I was hoping for an AMD build just for something different. But it seems the 10400F seems to be the cheapest option by far ($240CAD vs. $340CAD for the 5600G, $360CAD for 5600X). Intel MOBOS are slightly more expensive though so that may come out in the wash. Hell, the 5600G is cheaper than both the 3100 and 3300 in Canada right now. Wild. Edit: Oh god I don't understand AMD naming conventions. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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PoizenJam posted:I have no brand loyalty for either, but I was hoping for an AMD build just for something different. But it seems the 10400F seems to be the cheapest option by far ($240CAD vs. $340CAD for the 5600G, $360CAD for 5600X). Intel MOBOS are slightly more expensive though so that may come out in the wash. If you have the budget go for the 5600x, it's the best balance between performance and value given your needs. You said you'll be gaming at 1080p which is where the processor will actually be pushed, and the 5600x is one of the best gaming processors right now without having an unnecessarily large amount of cores for productivity work that you're not doing. Also it runs cooler than Intel's offerings which is more relevant in an SFF build. -G on the end of an AMD CPU means integrated graphics. You don't want to go for one of these given your 3060. -X is the higher end version of a chip, except with this generation there aren't any non X versions. Sorry for saying there weren't any SFF cases with enough 3.5" bays but that's why I pointed you to the SFF thread and I'm glad you've found something that fits your needs. If you go with that case then make sure to ask for advice in that thread about cooling because there might be special considerations if you're filling the case with HDDs. Butterfly Valley fucked around with this message at 16:46 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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PoizenJam posted:I have no brand loyalty for either, but I was hoping for an AMD build just for something different. But it seems the 10400F seems to be the cheapest option by far ($240CAD vs. $340CAD for the 5600G, $360CAD for 5600X). Intel MOBOS are slightly more expensive though so that may come out in the wash. If you can find an i5-11440(f variant is fine too cause you have a GPU) at MSRP it’s absolutely the best deal for you.
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The 10/11400 va 5600x decision is going to come down to its cost when paired with the motherboard that fits my needs. Currently, the combined cost of the 5600x + MSI B450i Gaming seems to be the front runner since the latter is on sale and covers the spread of the increased cost of the 5600x pretty nicely. And availability of course. 11400 + mobo is the more expensive option locally, even if I go with an even lower end ASRock for mobo. But that seems to be due to lack of 11400s at their normal price right now, which would be $160 cheaper than the 5600x. But yes, I’ll be careful with thermals. The Node may be made for an ‘either or’ config, and ‘gaming + NAS’ might stress its airflow. I always have the option to punt some of the HDs to the dock. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Oct 14, 2021 |
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The 10400 is worse, the 11400 (at RRP) is the decent alternative to the 5600x. Also if you're getting a 5600x you should get a b550 motherboard for PCIe 4 support.
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Is it worth upgrading from a 6700K & 3200mhz memory to 5600x & 3600mhz memory? Found an enticing CPU+board+memory bundle that's very cheap (almost £100 less than if parts were bought separately) My GPU is a 6800XT and even at 4k I feel like the 6700K is kinda hobbling the minimum framerates a little.
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How is this? https://skytechgaming.com/product/shiva-amd-ryzen-5-5600x-nvidia-geforce-rtx-10gb-1tb-nvme-ssd-16gb-ram-2/ Can anyone recommend a comparable prebuilt that may be better?
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