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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Cpt_Obvious posted:

All that said, the last article I read about 12 hour work days 6 days a week in the tech industry, Vice had basically a single citation and it was a "tech executives" who was working his butt off so I assume he was getting paid more.

The article also mentioned that China has a 44 hour maximum work week but idk about enforcement.

It does, but enforcement was pretty lax. In the last 5-6 years it has been tightened up along with generally more benefits including guaranteed pensions.

The 996 thing generally seems to have been part of the Tech sector which is more highly paid than other workers. Also, to be honest, a 55 work week in the international tech sector doesn't sound unusual.

Also, one could argue that worker rights have historically been hit and miss in a lot of state socialist states (including the Soviet Union), but the usual justification is that it was a necessary sacrifice to build productive forces etc..

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 06:52 on Oct 15, 2021

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Corky Romanovsky
Oct 1, 2006

Soiled Meat
Also special economic zones vs not?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

The issue seems a bit more complicated than some lovely hot takes on a web forum can cover.

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The thing about the long hour in the Chinese IT industry is that is pretty common for the big tech companies but not industry wide. You can find IT jobs in regular companies that has pretty normal hours and you are still better paid than your colleagues who has an engineer degree. This is the impression I get from Chinese IT netizens. And the salary hike for the IT sector is a new thing, probably happened in the last 5 years, along with the stock bubble of Pinduoduo and other mobile gaming IT companies.

And 5 years ago, I don't remeber complaint of long hours except against the Huawei work culture.

People probably dont remember how much of a joke Pinduoduo was just a few years ago. It was basically the Chinese version of Wish. It was the punchline of jokes.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 07:40 on Oct 15, 2021

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

Lostconfused posted:

The issue seems a bit more complicated than some lovely hot takes on a web forum can cover.

you’re right, it needs the shittiest, hottest take there is

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/SpokespersonCHN/status/1448900336370917380?s=20

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

yr new gurlfrand! posted:

you’re right, it needs the shittiest, hottest take there is

what does matt yglesias have to say about it?

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Ryan's right

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





Cpt_Obvious posted:

I suppose that if the question is "who runs things" then it should be assumed that workers would not give themselves bad working hours without need or incentive.
Bolded the important part. But, like I said it's a fair criticism. "We're doing a Dengism" is a possible answer - not totally sure what I think of that answer but turns out my opinion on it isn't worth a poo poo anyway :shrug:

MSDOS KAPITAL
Jun 25, 2018





fart simpson posted:

what does matt yglesias have to say about it?
in hushed, conspiratorial tones: "we're gonna need a lot more Americans"

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
my god the d&d china thread posters are so dumb

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Just don't read the GBS thread lol

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

:hmmyes:

mortons stork
Oct 13, 2012

SorePotato posted:

Who cares loser, your spinning bowtie cannot lead me astray from Xi Jinping Thought. I live eternal in the people's heavenly army, while you, a CIA brain floating in a jar, are set to be replaced in two weeks

lol

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

SorePotato posted:

Who cares loser, your spinning bowtie cannot lead me astray from Xi Jinping Thought. I live eternal in the people's heavenly army, while you, a CIA brain floating in a jar, are set to be replaced in two weeks

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

CSPAM > [Eurasia] your spinning bowtie cannot lead me astray from Xi Jinping Thought

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/SilingWu/status/1448853213306839040?t=pSd_AnEHvz45ITuOENCYTA&s=19

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Would someone think about the private media's freedom (to accept bribes from the state department)

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Somebody make a spinning bow tie smilie.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

stephenthinkpad posted:

Somebody make a spinning bow tie smilie.

:holymoley:

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

Cao Ni Ma posted:

Would someone think about the private media's freedom (to accept bribes from the state department)

why is this authoritarian guy so against the free marketplace of ideas

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Mod can I add this to my badge?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




Now zap him with Xi eyebeams and have it say "Uphold Xi Thought"

Flavahbeast
Jul 21, 2001



why do the trade unions oppose the Chinese companies? I would think they would welcome new foreign investments in their country

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

wow I can’t believe america would do this!!!!

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
very sad i miss the ap report on xinjiang dropping so i could lol with everyone

SorePotato posted:

Who cares loser, your spinning bowtie cannot lead me astray from Xi Jinping Thought. I live eternal in the people's heavenly army, while you, a CIA brain floating in a jar, are set to be replaced in two weeks

Al-Saqr
Nov 11, 2007

One Day I Will Return To Your Side.
China probably did more to lift africa out of abject poverty in the last 20 years than every western country combined

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

Al-Saqr posted:

China probably did more to lift africa out of abject poverty in the last 20 years than every western country combined

but but but

DEBT TRAP BUT WORSE SINCE ITS CHINEEE DEBT TRAP

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



China has already shown way more leeway when it comes to paying them back than vulture capitalists. Just look at puerto rico.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Agrajag posted:

but but but

DEBT TRAP BUT WORSE SINCE ITS CHINEEE DEBT TRAP

A Chinese debt trap is when you can neither buy nor sell bonds and you have to ask your dad how to remove it because all the other kids at the fair are laughing at you getting stuck in the prize you won at the arcade.

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Al-Saqr posted:

China probably did more to lift africa out of abject poverty in the last 20 years than every western country combined

hmm... true

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

thatfatkid posted:

my god the d&d china thread posters are so dumb

An 8 year old shouting into a fan and losing the argument.

Gorman Thomas
Jul 24, 2007

Flavahbeast posted:

why do the trade unions oppose the Chinese companies? I would think they would welcome new foreign investments in their country

That's kinda the point of trade unions tho, raise a stink to keep capital honest. Don't take anything a capitalist says for granted, everything should be a negotiation.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

my aunt who worked in a mine as part of her stint in the countryside during the mao era said that they were weirdly strict about the 8 hour workday and once the day was over it was over and they would immediately close everything up. there was a 30 min hiking commute each way from the dorms though bc they didn’t have the roads in good shape yet

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/KenRoth/status/1448900343597834240

if hes swedish why was he living in thailand

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/ShibaniMahtani/status/1449015832424505354

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010




Guy had a summer retreat in Pattaya that he bought from his tabloid like books. Couldn't go see his ailing/dead dad because he was scared they would catch him, but went to his sex tourist retreat and got caught. Sounds to me like he got what he deserved.

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007

Listen. Now, some people may say that this statue carries some disagreeable political thoughts. HOWEVER, have you considered that the statue loving rules and is extremely badass? Surely we can come to an agreement here.

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


probably a pedo guy

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Tankbuster
Oct 1, 2021

the weather is warmer in thailand

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