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I missed the charging stations talk a page or two back but I just wanted to post up what we have here at the hospital I work at. 4 of these showed up suddenly when we got a new CEO who coincidently drives a Tesla Model 3. Supposedly Duke Energy is doing some sort of study and provided them to the hospital for free, but really I think the CEO basically said, get me a way to charge while I'm at work, and as most CEO's know, they get what they want. They are not fast, I'm currently charging at a blistering 6 kW, but I can't complain really. It is completely free to charge and there are only a handful of us here at the hospital that have EVs and I've never not been able to get on one of them. So basically I'll start charging when I get in in the morning, go home for lunch and if I need to charge some more, plug her back in for the rest of the day. These "should" show up in the GreenLots app, but half the time they don't and I think that's because since they are set in free mode, there is nothing stopping a random EV driver from pulling up and using these. They aren't behind any kind of gated entrance nor is there any security checking to make sure you work at the hospital to use it, especially during the weekends when there less people here. Just wanted to post about another type of charging station out there. My home electric bill appreciates rarely having to charge at home, and usually never during the week.
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The fact you have to download an app in the first place and can't just scan the QR code to open a website where you enter your payment details seems needlessly complicated.
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Oct 14, 2021 17:37
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I like that the sticker with the crucial connection details is peeling and fading. Write down the IDs so you can charge with the secret password when the stickers are gone! But yeah, sipping on Mode 3 while doing something else like sleeping, working, visiting a museum etc is great.
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Oct 14, 2021 17:53
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Lord Decimus Barnacle posted:Is the highway passing acceleration actually slow? 50-80 is fine. It doesn't set my socks on fire but it's okay. Past 80 I would say it starts getting legit slow. It'll still get you past a 55 mph driving motorhome on a 2 lane highway fine though. You see a lot of people on the mach e forum arguing about whether it's really bad or not and most of the people saying it's fine their last car was a Prius and most of the people saying it sucks their last(other) car was(is) a performance car (I also have a 2012 GT500). IIRC from some of the dragy times posted on the mach-e forum (since we don't have any professional review 1/4 mile times yet), the Mach-E GT goes from 87 mph in the 1/8th to ~101 mph in the 1/4 in about 4.5 seconds. An Accord 2.0t goes from 80 to 100 in about 5 seconds. A Mustang GT that runs 13 flat (i.e. slower than the Mach-E) does 90-115 in around 4.3 seconds. It's pretty slow past 80.
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Fame Douglas posted:The fact you have to download an app in the first place and can't just scan the QR code to open a website where you enter your payment details seems needlessly complicated. Ya, and sometimes the app is kinda flakey and won't actually start the charger.
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Oct 14, 2021 18:00
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bird with big dick posted:1703.1 mile review of the Ford Mustang Mach-E GT Performance Edition Thank you for this. Good stuff. Also laughing at "Not having ventilated seats at this price point is just embarrassing."
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Oct 14, 2021 18:02
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BWABD is not having the supercharger network not that much of a negative for the mach e over the MY? Or not including beefs with the infrastructure in that review perhaps. That’s something that is a definite plus for Tesla, for me.
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Oct 14, 2021 18:10
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Here's how bad the charging situation is, along I15 from SoCal to Vegas. From the last charging stations in Barstow to the Strip it's 150miles and those are hilly miles. So you want to top-off in Baker which is just 88 miles from the strip. Mind you when we got to Vegas we had another 50 miles of driving to the evening's activities. But in Baker only EVGo is working, ElectrifyAmerica is down for repairs (surprise!). And when we got to the EvGo I had to find a working charger (not all were working). There was a guy with a base-level Porsche Taycan (awesome car) and that only has 200 miles of range fully charged (note, at fast chargers most people only charge to 80% because charging slows down after that etc.) If he hadn't found a working charger he would have been in trouble. I at least had enough charge to get to a station in Vegas if Baker was down and Kia doesn't BS on the estimated range. Even with the hills and fast driving (80-85mph) it wasn't far off.
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Oct 14, 2021 18:25
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bird with big dick posted:There's two possible explanations for this acceleration disparity, I think. One is that Ford designed a cheesedick cooling system that just can't handle heat extraction for the amount of power the car generates. Two is that Tesla's system really isn't any better, they're just far more willing to abuse their batteries and take a gamble on future warranty claims. Maybe a little from column A and a little from column B. But I believe Tesla actually has some history with the latter so I'm leaning in that direction as the primary difference. These explanations confuse me. The cooling explanation should be testable right? Just go slow to 80, then try to punch it, if it's still slow, it shouldn't have any excessive heat in whatever component is the limiter. On the battery side, I the only difference is air resistance right?, so there's no real reason 0-60 would be shorter than 60-80, I think it's more likely that all the components and motor controller waveforms have been designed for the regular mach -e with a tight focus on efficiency as EPA range and not on roll on acceleration.
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Bone Crimes posted:These explanations confuse me. The cooling explanation should be testable right? Just go slow to 80, then try to punch it, if it's still slow, it shouldn't have any excessive heat in whatever component is the limiter. It goes 50-70 quicker rolling on than it does as 50-70 being part of a quarter mile. We know cooling is a part of it what we don't really know is if it's just a lovely cooling system or if Ford is just being shittily conservative. And we know it's a part of it, but we don't know if it's ALL of it or if Ford also specced out motors and gear ratios that make the GT blow its entire wad 0-60 and it's really starting to run out of steam past 80. quote:On the battery side, I the only difference is air resistance right?, so there's no real reason 0-60 would be shorter than 60-80, Huh?
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priznat posted:BWABD is not having the supercharger network not that much of a negative for the mach e over the MY? Or not including beefs with the infrastructure in that review perhaps. I've only done a few trips where I needed to charge and Electrify America has largely worked fine for me. Like, looking at ABRP a Tesla would likely get me to my Mom's house 600 miles away 30 minutes or so quicker but who really gives a poo poo, it's still three stops they're just 15-22 minutes instead of 21-39 minutes or whatever. If I plug in my dad's address 900 miles away the Tesla makes a bigger difference (2 hours charging vs 3.5 hours) but 2 hours isn't exactly great either and they both kinda push it into "this should really be a two day drive" territory so I'd either just drive one of our gas cars or I'd turn it into a 2 day sight seeing trip which kinda turns the 1.5 hour difference back into a non issue. For some people the tesla infrastructure probably makes a huge difference, maybe even a lot of people or most people, but for me personally it doesn't matter much so far. I mean, if I run into a bunch of borked EA chargers and get stranded because of it that'd obviously change my opinion but that hasn't happened yet.
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Oct 14, 2021 18:52
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From a western Euro perspective it wouldn't have made a difference at all to me to have access to Tesla chargers.
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BMW i4M or whatever: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/the-2023-bmw-i4-is-the-electric-bmw-sedan-youve-been-waiting-for/ Seems like a heavier but more powerful 4 series but electric fwiiw
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Interesting info on the charger stuff, thanks Bird! I don’t know what the situation is locally with charger infrastructure but I do see a lot of stations popping up all over with pretty nice looking interfaces you tap a card onto. I believe the brand is “flow”. They are in a lot of parks and community centre parking lots now. We have crazy cheap electricity here due to a lot of hydro power so it should be pretty good rates. E: actually it is “Flo”: https://www.flo.com Any Canucks use these and are they good?
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bird with big dick posted:It goes 50-70 quicker rolling on than it does as 50-70 being part of a quarter mile. We know cooling is a part of it what we don't really know is if it's just a lovely cooling system or if Ford is just being shittily conservative. And we know it's a part of it, but we don't know if it's ALL of it or if Ford also specced out motors and gear ratios that make the GT blow its entire wad 0-60 and it's really starting to run out of steam past 80. Ah, that does make sense then that its a cooling (or conservative) thing. That is aggravating.
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mobby_6kl posted:BMW i4M or whatever: https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/the-2023-bmw-i4-is-the-electric-bmw-sedan-youve-been-waiting-for/ what in the gently caress is going on with that screen? It looks like it has a phone kickstand on the back.
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Literally the only reason I even consider a Tesla is because they're the only ones with fast chargers at all in my bumblefuck area, the nearest non-tesla options are over 150 miles away. On top of that, I live in a townhouse that I can't cheaply modify to support level 2 charging to my carport, my last electrician quote exceeded 8,000$ and included a required panel and service upgrade. Anyway so that's why I have a chevy volt that charges from a 20amp gfci that was already there.
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Does anyone here have the ID4? The look has grown on me after seeing it in real life. Looking to replace a CRV since the resale value for it is pretty insane. What's your experience with it?
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lostleaf posted:Does anyone here have the ID4? The look has grown on me after seeing it in real life. Looking to replace a CRV since the resale value for it is pretty insane. What's your experience with it? I don't have one, but I've driven it and its smaller sibling a fair bit. The infotainment and the steering wheel are a bit annoying, but all in all it's a good car. Efficient, comfortable, practical, hilariously tight turning circle. I think the 360 camera is included in the must-have tech package, that makes it even more practical in tighter spots. I think they might be a bit limited by chip supply now. If you get a used one from the launch you won't get 360 camera but it's not a must anyway.
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Franco Caution posted:what in the gently caress is going on with that screen? It looks like it has a phone kickstand on the back. That's the next evolutionary step after a tablet flued to the dashboard
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The latest Mach-E GT drama is it looks like the regular GTs are getting the 14.5" discs and correspondingly smaller calipers of the lower trim Mach-E's while the GT Performance Edition is getting the 15.3" discs and bigger calipers. Supposedly Ford has said all the GTs were the same but mostly what I've seen saying they're the same is Brembo marketing material and not from actual Ford, but I haven't looked that deeply into because I have the good ones so gently caress errybody else. lol 
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Test drove a model Y today, figured I'd share my thoughts: Things I liked: Very roomy inside, tons of storage Everything being on the touchscreen wasn't as awful as I thought it would be Autopilot was cool, ride was nice, very comfortable Things I didn't: Frunk was very hard to close The turn signal stalk is awful Can't turn down 1 pedal regen, I like to coast foot off the accelerator drat it
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Jimong5 posted:Test drove a model Y today, figured I'd share my thoughts: You get used to the stalk and pedals after a few hundred miles. The frunk closing is what it is.
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Jimong5 posted:Test drove a model Y today, figured I'd share my thoughts: The 1 pedal regen is second nature after a day or two, you'll be coasting up to stop signs like you normally do in no time. Driving a regular car now feels so unrefined with having to use the actual brake pedal lol
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Test drive a Ford that gives you options when it comes to regen and 1 pedal plus if you misjudge a stopping distance and have to step on the brake pedal the Tesla just gives you friction whereas the Ford just gives you more regen (unless it's into emergency braking territory then you obviously get friction). Like, the complaint wasn't that it's impossible to coast it's that it's nicer to do it foot off which I think is kinda hard to argue with. And I don't think actual coasting is really that second nature with any 1 pedal system. Ford has actual coasting in Whisper mode with 1 pedal off and I think what most people think of as coasting is actually closer to what an ICE automatic feels like with your foot off the gas which is of course not even close to coasting. bird with big dick fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Oct 15, 2021 |
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bird with big dick posted:Test drive a Ford that gives you options when it comes to regen and 1 pedal plus if you misjudge a stopping distance and have to step on the brake pedal the Tesla just gives you friction whereas the Ford just gives you more regen (unless it's into emergency braking territory then you obviously get friction). On the flip side, when you take your foot of the go pedal in a Tesla, you get a short ramp and then all of the available regen, instead of just some of it. I find that preferable to a mixed brake pedal. (Or GM’s turbo-dumb regen paddles.)
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MrYenko posted:On the flip side, when you take your foot of the go pedal in a Tesla, you get a short ramp and then all of the available regen, instead of just some of it. I find that preferable to a mixed brake pedal. (Or GM’s turbo-dumb regen paddles.) It's not really all of the available regen though right, it's just all of the available regen in a Tesla. IIRC Porsche's system can do like 3 times the regen of a Tesla but you obviously can only do that with a mixed system, you couldn't do it with Tesla's system.
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Like whats the downside of having a mixed system that's the same as teslas up to 70 kw or whatever but then also has more regen available past that plus also gives you a lot more options.
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I will say I’m coming from GM where it’s nice to have the option between one pedal/no regen and blended brakes / full regen paddle
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Yeah it makes no sense that people "don't like" blended braking. If you're into one pedal driving, whatever, but if you press the pedal it's clearly preferable that it goes back into the battery rather than to heat.
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People don't like blended braking because most implementations of it are jerky and uneven. Most of the hybrids I've driven with regen braking have awful transitions in blended mode instead of the smooth feeling mechanical brakes normally give you. Tesla limiting regen to 70 kW and not doing any additional blended when the brake pedal is pushed likely is done almost entirely to protect the battery instead of being some optimal level for one pedal driving or anything like that.
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bird with big dick posted:It's not really all of the available regen though right, it's just all of the available regen in a Tesla. IIRC Porsche's system can do like 3 times the regen of a Tesla but you obviously can only do that with a mixed system, you couldn't do it with Tesla's system. The amount of regen available has nothing to do with how it’s blended with the brakes, it’s a function of the drive motor(s). If the Tesla power units were capable of providing more regen, it would absolutely be possible (and given how Tesla has tuned their cars up to the present day, probable) that it would all be available with no brake pedal input. Porsche could do the same thing, but chooses not to. And don’t get me wrong, it’s absolutely a valid choice, particularly with the intended (track-oriented) audience their EVs are aimed at. That’s kinda my point, this is all software anyway, and I don’t like that poo poo between me and the car. I also loving hate non-linear throttle curves in ICE cars. knox_harrington posted:Yeah it makes no sense that people "don't like" blended braking. If you're into one pedal driving, whatever, but if you press the pedal it's clearly preferable that it goes back into the battery rather than to heat. As it stands with presently available options (that I’m aware of, anyway,) I’m a big proponent of Tesla’s version of one pedal driving. It’s simple, and there is no gray area where you aren’t sure whether you’re in regen or friction. The accelerator controls the powertrain, including 100% of regen, and the brake pedal controls the brakes. Bing bong boop. If Tesla’s method didn’t exist, I’d actually prefer putting ALL the regen on the brake pedal, which would encourage coasting. As mentioned by several people, pretty much every OE besides Tesla tunes the foot-off-accelerator decel to use a bit of regen and mimic a torque converter ICE. It grates on me just like a CVT with fake shift points. If it serves no purpose but to mimic a different mechanical solution, I don’t want it. I feel like this is going to be a holy war going forward just like which direction the toilet paper goes. (Away from the wall, obviously.)
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Indiana_Krom posted:People don't like blended braking because most implementations of it are jerky and uneven. Most of the hybrids I've driven with regen braking have awful transitions in blended mode instead of the smooth feeling mechanical brakes normally give you. Hmm my Kia is pretty much unnoticeable unless you slam on the brakes.
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MrYenko posted:I feel like this is going to be a holy war going forward just like which direction the toilet paper goes. (Away from the wall, obviously.) Like anything this needs a nuanced approach. While I agree away from the wall is normally the best approach, if you have kids or especially cats besides the wall is the safer play  I rode in my first Tesla today, a coworker’s model Y. I quite liked it, tons of room. The display was kind of distracting with the car shapes it detects popping up here and there, and I didn’t like the version of around view. Also the door handles are wack. But overall very nice!
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Indiana_Krom posted:People don't like blended braking because most implementations of it are jerky and uneven. Most of the hybrids I've driven with regen braking have awful transitions in blended mode instead of the smooth feeling mechanical brakes normally give you. Both the ID.4 and Mach-E seemed fine to me when I test drove them.
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There is a slightly noticeable change over on my Prius prime but it has trained me to be lighter on the brake pedal.
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bird with big dick posted:Like whats the downside of having a mixed system that's the same as teslas up to 70 kw or whatever but then also has more regen available past that plus also gives you a lot more options. knox_harrington posted:Yeah it makes no sense that people "don't like" blended braking. If you're into one pedal driving, whatever, but if you press the pedal it's clearly preferable that it goes back into the battery rather than to heat. If we're having this dumb discussion again, why do you think there's more regen available in one pedal and not the other? There's obviously a fixed amount of regen available with any given method. Can the battery take 70 kW at any point? Obviously not. But what if you press the other pedal? Still the same battery, it might not be able to take 70 kW no matter which pedal you do this or that with. Second, do you seriously think all the world's car manufacturers haven't thought of what you're saying? Third, blended braking does not mean that there's a magic extra battery that can keep the energy when you let off at 100%. Blended braking for driving feeling, which the well hung bird made a crazy spectacular scene of the last time, must obviously mean faking regen when the battery is full and there's nowhere to put the power, by applying friction brakes instead of rolling. If he didn't mean that, he just meant normal EVs that regen when there's room to regen and roll freely when there's no room to regen. There is no other possible thing that thing means, but there is AMPLE room for ignorance. Last, if by blended braking you simply meant "there's more regen when you press the brake pedal", well then you're just normal ignorant as I suspected all along.
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Ola posted:we're having this dumb discussion again It is one of several pointless Sisyphean debates the thread will continue having periodically until the end times.
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Ola posted:If we're having this dumb discussion again, why do you think there's more regen available in one pedal and not the other? There's obviously a fixed amount of regen available with any given method. Can the battery take 70 kW at any point? Obviously not. But what if you press the other pedal? Still the same battery, it might not be able to take 70 kW no matter which pedal you do this or that with. lol gently caress your dumb strawman arguments. No I don't think blended braking is magic, don't be a cock. it's just a bad design decision that Tesla alone have made and bazingas breathlessly claim is better.
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