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LividLiquid posted:I adore Ghostbusters 2. I don't get people's problems with it at all. If this is as good as that, I'll be pleased as punch. I love GB2 as well, always have but... watching now as an adult its structural problems are laid bare. Like its individual moments and jokes are just wonderful, but the way its story is basically a carbon copy of GB1 in ways it didn't need to be, and the way some stuff that feels Real Ghostbusters inspired bring it down a bit. It could have had a more original plot basically.
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Tom Guycot posted:I love GB2 as well, always have but... watching now as an adult its structural problems are laid bare. Like its individual moments and jokes are just wonderful, but the way its story is basically a carbon copy of GB1 in ways it didn't need to be, and the way some stuff that feels Real Ghostbusters inspired bring it down a bit. I prefer what we got vs going to Scotland to catch faeries. Nothing against faeries, but it's hardly high-stakes.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:I prefer what we got vs going to Scotland to catch faeries. Nothing against faeries, but it's hardly high-stakes. lol was that really one of the ideas originally for a sequel? I mean I won't discount it out of hand because who knows how it would have gone in practice but that sounds more like a plot from the cartoon show.
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Tom Guycot posted:lol was that really one of the ideas originally for a sequel? I mean I won't discount it out of hand because who knows how it would have gone in practice but that sounds more like a plot from the cartoon show. It definitely was one of the original ideas. Rupert Buttermilk fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Oct 13, 2021 |
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It’s a no-win scenario for the film makers. If the film is too far off from the originals, it’s dishonoring them or “no true Ghostbusters”, and if it’s too close to the originals, it is derivative and nostalgia-bait. You wouldn’t do a film following in the legacy of another film or films if they weren’t fondly remembered, but you’re stuck if the film is too much or too little in line. Worse, few of the things that make the originals so good happen in any film, which is why you can roll through those free streaming services with the knockoff films and see not a one that’s even a cult classic. You almost never manage to film a classic on demand, and the original film’s a classic. Expecting something as good or better that’s also identifiably associated with the original s expecting a feat even more impressive than the original.
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Narsham posted:It’s a no-win scenario for the film makers. If the film is too far off from the originals, it’s dishonoring them or “no true Ghostbusters”, and if it’s too close to the originals, it is derivative and nostalgia-bait. TBH it really feels like they're following the franchise restart model laid out by "Star War: The Force Awakens" with a new young cast slowly discovering the forgotten lore required to defeat a looming threat, starting with the accidental discovery of secret tech and the rusted-out broke-down beloved vehicle which has been lying abandoned for decades and then slowly unraveling the stories and doubtlessly tracking down the surviving members of the old crew who'll tell them "It's true. It's all true." Of course the 'new' villains need to be mirror images of the classic villains, maybe updated slightly for the new era and possibly even fleshed out with a little extra nuance. And to be fair SW:TFA made a ton of money so they'd be crazy not to follow that model.
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Oct 15, 2021 11:54
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I'd watch Rian Johnson's The Last Ghostbuster.
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I think (hope) as well that the nostalgic elements will be more thoughtfully applied simply because it is the director's son that's doing it. It implies the resurrection of those elements might come from a more thoughtful, heartfelt place as opposed to a cynical fan bait one.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I'd watch Rian Johnson's The Last Ghostbuster. Dan Aykroyd guzzling a thermos full of ectoplasm straight from Slimer's teat.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:TBH it really feels like they're following the franchise restart model laid out by "Star War: The Force Awakens" with a new young cast slowly discovering the forgotten lore required to defeat a looming threat, starting with the accidental discovery of secret tech and the rusted-out broke-down beloved vehicle which has been lying abandoned for decades and then slowly unraveling the stories and doubtlessly tracking down the surviving members of the old crew who'll tell them "It's true. It's all true." Of course the 'new' villains need to be mirror images of the classic villains, maybe updated slightly for the new era and possibly even fleshed out with a little extra nuance. Technically I'd say there's worse examples to follow as well. I'd say most most people agree that while TFA was creatively bankrupt, it was at least competently made as well as a decent starting point for a trilogy.
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I'd watch Rian Johnson's The Last Ghostbuster. It would own because it would mildly criticize the idea of running a nuclear powered for profit ghost prison and people would lose their mind.
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ImpAtom posted:It would own because it would mildly criticize the idea of running a nuclear powered for profit ghost prison and people would lose their mind. I need a scene with a sobbing family, begging Ray to let their father's ghost out. There will be an extraction fee for that.
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Oct 15, 2021 16:15
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If it follows in the footsteps of TFA I'll be entertained. Star Wars failed to do anything interesting or cool that was cohesive after they managed to regain some public good will with a familiar place for us to feel nice about. If they do sequels to this they'll need to be more thoughtfully done than the sequel trilogy was, but using that as a template to jump off from doesn't bother me much as a comparison. Show me new people doing the fun things I loved and it might not be the most interesting, but it will hopefully be fun and enjoyable which is better than a lot of films manage.
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Oct 15, 2021 17:20
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Au Revoir Shosanna posted:I'd watch Rian Johnson's The Last Ghostbuster. *The two hobos from the deleted Ghostbusters scene enter the frame* Hobo 1 : Who are you? Phoebe : I'm Phoebe Hobo 2 : Phoebe who? Phoebe : Phoebe.... Spengler. Credits.
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Oct 15, 2021 18:42
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 So I picked up this fun little book. It’s half in-universe and the author basically scraped both movies and the RGB cartoon and toys for just about any ghost they could to fill out the pages. One of the very first pages lists:  oh my god.
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gregday posted:
Ok, you gotta post the full detmerring ghost write up, c'mon. It looks like it's just about to go off the rails.
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Ya, post the part where the book talks about the dream ghost giving blow jobs.
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Karloff posted:I think (hope) as well that the nostalgic elements will be more thoughtfully applied simply because it is the director's son that's doing it. It implies the resurrection of those elements might come from a more thoughtful, heartfelt place as opposed to a cynical fan bait one. I think a lot of the negative reactions to the nostalgia overload of the climax come from a CGI Egon showing up for some smaltzy emotional climax to the family drama but most reviews can't mention that directly.
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Force Awakens was a lot of fun and the dogfight between the Falcon and the TIEs was everything I wanted from a modern Star Wars movie, it's just everything else sequel related that poo poo the bed because of meddling and not having a strong idea of the whole trilogy. Afterlife also looks fun and I hope it is, even if anything after shits the bed.
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New Ghostbusters benefits from not being the first prong of CONTENT off a 4 billion dollar investment. They'll make more sequels and tie ins if it does well and quietly memory hole it like 2016 if it doesn't.
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PriorMarcus posted:I think a lot of the negative reactions to the nostalgia overload of the climax come from a CGI Egon showing up for some smaltzy emotional climax to the family drama but most reviews can't mention that directly. What gently caress is that confirmed?? gently caress, I don't want a creepy Tarkin Egon...
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ImpAtom posted:What gently caress is that confirmed?? gently caress, I don't want a creepy Tarkin Egon... Yeah it's confirmed I love all you guys
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Oct 18, 2021 00:13
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I KNEW IT I CALLED THAT LIKE SIX MONTHS AGO
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I'm ready for CGI fake Egon to be talking 'to the kids' but looking past them to the screen and saying he glad he is that people kept the faith of the Ghostbusters for all of these years and how much it meant to him, watching over us all.
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At least Maurice LaMarche gets a paycheck, right?
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I'm actually pretty surprised, given that the movie screened at CinemaCon over the summer, that it's taken this long for the thread to become overrun with spoilers. See you all in a month!
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WonkyBob posted:*The two hobos from the deleted Ghostbusters scene enter the frame* Don’t lay this JJ gubbins at Rian Johnson’s door.
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The_Doctor posted:Don’t lay this JJ gubbins at Rian Johnson’s door. I couldn't remember any dialogue from TLJ that would've worked. Hopefully Rian Johnson wont see this and demand all cinema chains world wide ban me because I need more Benoit Blanc.
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WonkyBob posted:I couldn't remember any dialogue from TLJ that would've worked. Hopefully Rian Johnson wont see this and demand all cinema chains world wide ban me because I need more Benoit Blanc. Yeah I haven't seen episodes 8-9, and barely remember 7 (yeah I know he's only involved with one of those, but people loving HATED it, apparently), but I cannot wait for the next Benoit Blanc movie.
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Yeah I haven't seen episodes 8-9, and barely remember 7 (yeah I know he's only involved with one of those, but people loving HATED it, apparently), but I cannot wait for the next Benoit Blanc movie. Watching the new James Bond movie and all I could think was...where is Foghorn Leghorn?
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Official release of the international trailer https://youtu.be/lnKmAVLC3jU some spoiler stuff I guess.
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So maybe this got discussed but is the idea that Egon had a secret off-screen family during GB2 or are Carrie Coon and the kids playing slightly younger or are they just playing with the timeline a bit?
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Haven't read any spoilers but with the scenes from the trailer involving the Terror Dogs, I predict that Carrie Coon gets possessed and becomes the new Gatekeeper and Paul Rudd becomes possessed and becomes the new Key Master. And the form of the Destructor ends up being GHOST EGON. Just wanted to throw that out there to see if I end up being right.
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AndyElusive posted:Haven't read any spoilers but with the scenes from the trailer involving the Terror Dogs, I predict that Carrie Coon gets possessed and becomes the new Gatekeeper and Paul Rudd becomes possessed and becomes the new Key Master. That was my assumption as well but it's so obvious (if you were going to write up a list of current niceguy comedy actors who would be the modern equivalent of famed niceguy comedy actor rock Moranis if you wanted someone to step into his shoes then Rudd would be way up the top of that list) that maybe they'll throw a twist in there?? Guy A. Person posted:So maybe this got discussed but is the idea that Egon had a secret off-screen family during GB2 or are Carrie Coon and the kids playing slightly younger or are they just playing with the timeline a bit? Maybe that slime toaster he hosed in GB2 had a human baby? We know from an Adam Savage 'Behind the scenes' video that Egon still had the toaster, and in fact kept it handy when shacked up all alone out in the country so he obviously has a big soft spot for it. 
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Possession chat: It kind of looks like from the trailer you see the dog get exorcised from Rudd in that scene by the buses. At least I think that's what's happening, hence why the dog is in a spectral form and snarling at Rudd. There's that one shot of Carrie Coon looking Weaver like in a dress, but that might have another context. It's funny, in the original GB you never find out where Zuul got the dress from, I always assumed Dana already had it and so Zuul went through her wardrobe and picked out something she liked. Assuming this is Zuul and Vinz again, it would stand to reason that Zuul still likes to get dressed up.
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I always loved the fact that a terror dog had a first and last name.
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Guy A. Person posted:So maybe this got discussed but is the idea that Egon had a secret off-screen family during GB2 or are Carrie Coon and the kids playing slightly younger or are they just playing with the timeline a bit? In some ways it almost seems like this movie discards GB2 from the canon. I remember in the first trailer when Paul Rudd was like "wait, you guys never heard of the Ghostbusters?" and he pulls up a YouTube video of them approaching the apartment building at the end of GB1. It seems absolutely ludicrous that nobody would remember them after the Statue of Liberty started walking around town and the Titanic pulled into port.
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That would mean Oscar doesn't exist (well, likely doesn't), and a BUNCH of stuff would've been skipped over. From the reviews that I've read, none have mentioned this, which doesn't even feel like spoiler stuff, just more like a weird thing you'd think someone would've mentioned. 
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ALFbrot posted:In some ways it almost seems like this movie discards GB2 from the canon. I remember in the first trailer when Paul Rudd was like "wait, you guys never heard of the Ghostbusters?" and he pulls up a YouTube video of them approaching the apartment building at the end of GB1. It seems absolutely ludicrous that nobody would remember them after the Statue of Liberty started walking around town and the Titanic pulled into port. Even the 2016 film trailer erased GB2 with their "30 years ago four scientists saved New York" caption.
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Of all the things, the design of the Paul Rudd Funko Pop figure reveals a pretty big spoiler.
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