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Unperson_47 posted:First I've learned about Hayabusa. Going deep on that relationship might be tricky/dangerous.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Going deep on that relationship might be tricky/dangerous. Especially since Mike Awesome is no longer around to beat the crap of them
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Unperson_47 posted:First I've learned about Hayabusa. Hayabusa ruled. Absolutely go find his matches on Youtube. Also his theme song is  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvUTl-wbyn0I was a massive wrestling fan as a teenager and Hayabusa blew me away when I first saw him on one of the Tokyopop FMW dvds.
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Oct 2, 2021 00:56
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Almost every business in Japan has at least some ties to the Yakuza, especially the entertainment industry.
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That was probably my favourite episode of this season so far.
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joylessdivision posted:Hayabusa ruled. Absolutely go find his matches on Youtube. Also his theme song is i loved this theme so much i found it on napster back in the day and it had the exact same skip like 2 minutes in. amazing. the gannosuke hayabusa/H feud is my favorite bonkers wrestling story. Just completely insane from start to finish. fireworks in the rear end, gimmick theft, multiple crowd clearing brawls, like three fake apologies, an unmasking, and it ends with an awful promo by shawn michaels in bike shorts.
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What a good episode. The Mike Awesome save was amazing, I never heard about that.
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Critical posted:i loved this theme so much i found it on napster back in the day and it had the exact same skip like 2 minutes in. amazing. And he refs a match between them!
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El Gallinero Gros posted:And he refs a match between them! badly. he tries to count them out. gannosuke is yelling at him to quit counting so he just counts louder. meanwhile they're trying to stab each other with a broken chair leg. hayabusa looks like proto bwo stevie richards. glorious mess. i always found it weird they blow everything up at the tiniest provocation but the blowoff to one of the longest feuds in company history is a middling hardcore match with a very out of place special ref.
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I really don't like garbage or deathmatch wrestling but it was a good episode. It had a very good selection of interviewees, even if Onita himself has always seemed like a bit of an arse to me. Hayabusa is very good to watch, but man, I was always terrified watching him in clips even before I found out what happened to him. Not Hayabusa but on a related note, it seems like a small miracle that nothing worse happened with that fire match. I found it kind of unsettling how they framed it as "the yakuza HAD a big influence in wrestling AT THE TIME", though I understand not wanting to rock that boat.
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Critical posted:the gannosuke hayabusa/H feud is my favorite bonkers wrestling story. Just completely insane from start to finish. fireworks in the rear end, gimmick theft, multiple crowd clearing brawls, like three fake apologies, an unmasking, and it ends with an awful promo by shawn michaels in bike shorts. Hedgehog Pie posted:I really don't like garbage or deathmatch wrestling but it was a good episode. It had a very good selection of interviewees, even if Onita himself has always seemed like a bit of an arse to me. * Outside of the fire matches/spots, it needs to be stressed that most of the famous FMW death match stuff was a LOT more smoke and mirrors than what you'd get from, say, Big Japan style death match wrestling. It was all about drama and teases that created drama, with the big spots being fireworks going off safely around people. (Mr. Pogo got hurt in an explosion match with Terry Funk falling onto one of the "double hell" sides of the ring, but I believe it was him landing badly on the fall and not the pyro that messed him up.) * Someone—I think it was Defy promoter/MLW road agent Matt Farmer?—mentioned to me years ago, I think while recording Between The Sheets, that he had always worried about Hayabusa because his flying, while graceful, was so loose. That he wasn't showing/didn't have the kind of body control you see from, say, PAC or Ricochet or Alex Zayne or someone like that now.
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I'm just not into deathmatch stuff man. It's not the violence, it just bores me more than anything.
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davidbix posted:You forgot the Hayabusa porn video. I am so ashamed I had to look this up. I am so glad I did. quote:Mr. Gannosuke would take it embarrassing H a step further by being filmed in a porno with a Porno Star Chocoball Mukai, with other Team No Respect members being in the movie as well, but not taking part in any action. Gannosuke would use the Hayabusa name in the porno, to embarrass the name of Hayabusa, while he would finger multiple girls in the movie. This is now the greatest angle of all time and no one can tell me different.
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davidbix posted:You forgot the Hayabusa porn video. This is exactly why I loved FMW deathmatchs. It's over the top stupid gimmicks (the exploding pool is the most hilarious poo poo) that are dangerous, but if you look closely and think about how they did it, it's clear how you could do some of these stunts without too much threat to life and limb. Not to say that barbed wire isn't going to rip you to poo poo, but FMW deathmatchs are a bit like a dangerous magic trick, there's a real danger involved in the performance but a lot of it is also the illusion of danger. That episode smashed my nostalgia so hard I ordered a stack of FMW dvds yesterday.
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"What's it like working with barbed wire?" "It sucks" joylessdivision posted:This is exactly why I loved FMW deathmatchs. It's over the top stupid gimmicks (the exploding pool is the most hilarious poo poo) that are dangerous, but if you look closely and think about how they did it, it's clear how you could do some of these stunts without too much threat to life and limb. The one I always liked was the electric pool, because bumping into a pool is inherently safe. In fact, there should be more pool based matches imo.
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algebra testes posted:"What's it like working with barbed wire?" I thought it was funny that Sabu came off as the rough hewn but well meaning family member at some kid's birthday BBQ. I wonder how wrestling history will look upon Sabu.
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Finally caught up with Dark Side of the Ring. Am I right to assume that it was implied that Onita took all the money upon retiring and basically picked the ring announcer as GM because he was naive enough to not realise all the yakuza debt was effectively transferred to him? Onita looking like a POS toward the end, making GBS threads on the dead while taking a puff of smoke lol.
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The line that got me was "Just tell them you can't pay and they'll go away" Yeah, that'll stop the Yakuza
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Long-Time Lurker posted:Finally caught up with Dark Side of the Ring. Am I right to assume that it was implied that Onita took all the money upon retiring and basically picked the ring announcer as GM because he was naive enough to not realise all the yakuza debt was effectively transferred to him? There was no real debt when Onita left and the company was profitable. Unfortunately, all the profits went into Onita's pockets and he even charged Arai to buy the company from him. Then attendances dived after Onita left and the cycle of debt started. Arai was maybe too nice of a man but he was surrounded by sharks, and not just the loan kind.
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Maybe Onita himself was/is Yakuza or just a carny as hell rear end in a top hat or both
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Unperson_47 posted:Maybe Onita himself was/is Yakuza or just a carny as hell rear end in a top hat or both onita is a carny. when he was hurt in the domincan republic and had to escape to terry funk's house (long story) he took up MLMs as a quick way to scam people
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Tampa Bae posted:The line that got me was "Just tell them you can't pay and they'll go away" I thought it was pretty obvious from the way he said it that he knew it was bullshit but didn't want to risk pissing off the Yakuza.
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I'm looking forward to this weeks episode, I know very little about Bruiser Bedlam outside of his blowing up the police station.
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Bruiser Bedlam episode was great. Knew very little about him beforehand so this was very intersting.
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yeah i didn't like the previous episode even though i thought i would but this last one was good. didn't know anything about bruiser except for when [redacted] talked about him years ago
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Mick Foley during this week's DSOTR was pretty heartwarming:quote:"In a world full of butterflies, it took balls to be a caterpillar" I love that quote from Luna and in a way I can't help but hope that this life was but a chrysalis of sorts for her. That for a woman who never seemed completely comfortable in her own skin this life was just a prelude to becoming the beautiful butterfly God always meant for her to be. But that would be too easy and so anti-Luna. There are enough beautiful butterflies out there already, maybe we should be able to appreciate the beauty of the caterpillar without needing or wanting it to change for our viewing pleasure. Maybe Luna was perfect just as she was. Maybe she was exactly who she was supposed to be.
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Pachylad posted:Mick Foley during this week's DSOTR was pretty heartwarming: It reminds me how good of a writer Foley is, just a wonderful way with words. I wish his YA novel Tietam Brown was more appreciated, it's great. Luna episode was sad but also really showcased why she was cool and unique. Vince's inexplicable psychic power of wrestlers is so weird, back then at least he had wrestlers mind's in the palm of his hand all the time.
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Eat My Fuc posted:Luna episode was sad but also really showcased why she was cool and unique. Vince's inexplicable psychic power of wrestlers is so weird, back then at least he had wrestlers mind's in the palm of his hand all the time. Right? On Jeff Jarret's podcast he and Hey Hey talk about how nice it was of Vince to tell Jeff to get off the road and spend time with his wife who had been diagnosed with cancer and that 'they always look after people with family problems' and in the very next breath talk about how because Jeff took that time off he wouldn't make his guarantee that year which would take 100K off his yearly income. Neither of them made the connection.
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Pachylad posted:Mick Foley during this week's DSOTR was pretty heartwarming: I watched the episode before work and when I got to that part I thought: "Man, I love Mick Foley." The episode was really good in general. I don't think there was too much completely new info but it told Luna's story really well.
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davidbix posted:* Someone—I think it was Defy promoter/MLW road agent Matt Farmer?—mentioned to me years ago, I think while recording Between The Sheets, that he had always worried about Hayabusa because his flying, while graceful, was so loose. That he wasn't showing/didn't have the kind of body control you see from, say, PAC or Ricochet or Alex Zayne or someone like that now.
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Pachylad posted:Mick Foley during this week's DSOTR was pretty heartwarming: Yeah that and Butcher's remarks at the end got me “We need to start loving people for who they are while they’re alive. Nobody survives this world”
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I've completely forgotten to watch Dark Side this season, aside from the Plane Ride ep. I assume they're all good and worth a watch?
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I’m honestly morbidly curious to see how they handle the fact that XPW’s owner was also the second most vile pornographer of the early oughts.
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I "enjoyed" this episode a lot. Wish Luna got the help she needed. Foley still seems cool. Gangrel seems a good guy. gently caress Vince and Moolah.
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bloodysabbath posted:I’m honestly morbidly curious to see how they handle the fact that XPW’s owner was also the second most vile pornographer of the early oughts. Reenactment in the dark.
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bloodysabbath posted:I’m honestly morbidly curious to see how they handle the fact that XPW’s owner was also the second most vile pornographer of the early oughts. I'm afraid to ask who's the first.
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Davros1 posted:I'm afraid to ask who's the first. Probably Max Hardcore. I think that's the name of the weird older dude with the cowboy hat who did really really gross porn and I think was sent to prison for obscenity charges. The one thing I remember vividly about Rob Black was he showed up in some PBS doc in the early 00's (Dateline maybe?) about porn and the scene he was shooting was so hosed up the host and crew walked out.
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