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Trin Tragula posted:Last month a longstanding C-SPAM poster (with an 06 reg date) in the USA got himself charged with attempted murder after apparently shooting at some Proud Boys. lol that's badass as hell e: but very illegal ofc, very naughty boy. shouldn't have done it, etc etc
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I say there should be a thread meet at Peter Pans playground on Southend Seafront with packed lunches, and ride the roller coaster like those cubs off Jim'll fix it whilst enjoying our milkshakes. That would make for a sober and thoughtful tribute to a man who loved animals, yet hated humans. Then we can all go get pissed.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:18
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IIRC, the guy who was visited by the plod did so after saying on Twitter that he was thinking about ambushing the Olympic relay when it came by his home. He also posted some - less ambitious - things here, but he said afterwards it was the Twitter posting that caught plod's attention. If the filth are going to come after us for being mean about a dead person, they're going to be very busy with the other couple of million people in the country doing the same thing.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:24
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Political violence is bad. At the same time it doesn't mean we have to celebrate a politician that even within Tories would be considered to have a bit odious opinions. e: Or perhaps we could ban abortion and reintroduce the death penalty, just as a quick tribute to him. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Oct 16, 2021 |
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Oct 16, 2021 17:24
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ThomasPaine posted:lol that's badass as hell Cool that Andy Ngo has a mainstream press platform to shill for nazis.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:28
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We've already established that if the cops want to gently caress you up they can just do it whenever they feel like it with impunity anyway.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:28
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OwlFancier posted:We've already established that if the cops want to gently caress you up they can just do it whenever they feel like it with impunity anyway. I'm pretty sure that's not true, they do a need a reason as well. Stay safe thread etc.
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Also the guy who did it appears to have been an islamic extremist, so it's not like we need to blame the left for it, islamic extremism is hardly socialism.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:36
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Private Speech posted:I'm pretty sure that's not true, they do a need a reason as well. Flag down a bus if you think the plod are arresting you unfairly. Private Speech posted:Also the guy who did it appears to have been an islamic extremist, so it's not like we need to blame the left for it, islamic extremism is hardly socialism. Wait 'til you hear about Corbyn's Hamas ties
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Oct 16, 2021 17:37
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Well the arrest may not be "fair" (whatever that means) or legal, but usually there is a reason behind it even then.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:38
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Seems a weird target for would be isis nutter given they probably agreed on most points.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:39
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Trin Tragula posted:Interesting thing. "I go to civil rights rallies And I put down the old D.A.R. (D.A.R., that's the Dykes of the American Revolution) I love Harry and Sidney and Sammy I hope every colored boy becomes a star But don't talk about revolution That's going a little bit too far So love me, love me, love me, I'm a liberal" Or the TL;DR version  Nobody here is encouraging people to do political violence, merely pointing out that when your politics are a form of violence on people then you can hardly be stunned if, eventually, they strike back. This is an observation, not incitement. Do enjoy your use of "we" though. Very droll.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:43
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Trin Tragula posted:By the way, encouraging or glorifying acts of terrorism is an offence contrary to section 1 Terrorism Act 2006. The offence is potentially triable at Crown Court, where the maximum sentence is seven years in prison. What made you think this would change anybody's mind? If you want to argue that something is immoral then by all means go ahead, but pointing out that it's illegal is meaningless. Laws are guided by morality, not the other way around, and even then that's only in theory. The Tories are tearing up the social contract right in front of our eyes. People agree to be bound by laws on the understanding that they have a fair say in how those laws are written. But the Tories are pressing ahead with gerrymandering and voter disenfranchisement to make disagreeing at the ballot box all but impossible. They then follow that up by passing new laws to make effective forms of protest illegal. They obstruct people's right to vote, and they obstruct their right to protest, and then they enact policies which lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people. A repressive and undemocratic government bringing about the deaths of its own citizens - what means do you think people should use to oppose that? If it's already illegal to take any meaningful action to effect change, why is anyone going to care that it's illegal to say nasty words about the people who passed those laws? Lastly, if you want to take the position that by saying any of this I am somehow responsible by proxy for someone I've never known or met taking it upon themselves to go out and commit murder, then get hosed.
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https://twitter.com/Coldwar_Steve/status/1449349901633081346
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Private Speech posted:Also the guy who did it appears to have been an islamic extremist, so it's not like we need to blame the left for it, islamic extremism is hardly socialism. Western reactionaries absolutely believe that Islamic extremism and socialism are somehow allied to one another, hence the belief that if the left got in charge we'd all somehow be forced to become gay trans muslim vegan furries or whatever the hell your infowars weirdos are spouting these days It is weird because as OF says, islamic fundamentalism and British fascism agree on pretty much all the practical bits just with a different aesthetic ThomasPaine fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Oct 16, 2021 |
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Oct 16, 2021 17:51
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If you want to start purity-testing people who have been following and posting in various UKMTs about when exactly they can use "we" as a collective noun, then the culthood has already begun. Or maybe you just don't pay attention to other posters except when you want to drop hot takes on them?
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Oct 16, 2021 17:52
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Lucky boy had his luggage come out intact
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Oct 16, 2021 17:53
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Nothingtoseehere posted:If you want to start purity-testing people who have been following and posting in various UKMTs about when exactly they can use "we" as a collective noun, then the culthood has already begun. Or maybe you just don't pay attention to other posters except when you want to drop hot takes on them? There's a significant and meaningful difference between using "we" to collectively support one another, and using "we" to try to claim support for your point of view on a contentious topic.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:58
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Nothingtoseehere posted:If you want to start purity-testing people who have been following and posting in various UKMTs about when exactly they can use "we" as a collective noun, then the culthood has already begun. Or maybe you just don't pay attention to other posters except when you want to drop hot takes on them? What?
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I think the suggestion is that "we" implies a level of collective responsibility that the poster rejects.
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Oct 16, 2021 17:58
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Until we have more info about the attacker's ideology (which I have noticed has been conspicuously absent from the papers), i'm going to assume he was a natural consequence of how hard the Tories have been pushing people in the last few years. gently caress it, if Amess wants to reap the social benefits, money and comforts of associating with the tories ideology, he can bear the consequences.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:If you want to start purity-testing people who have been following and posting in various UKMTs about when exactly they can use "we" as a collective noun, then the culthood has already begun. Or maybe you just don't pay attention to other posters except when you want to drop hot takes on them? Yes, the culthood has begun & the cult is good. Well, no it's really poo poo & just involves posting nonsense in this thread more than once a month but you don't get anyone to join a cult by telling them the truth about it.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:00
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Telling Trin Tragula to gently caress off is evidence the thread is a cult?
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Oct 16, 2021 18:02
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Denying them the ability to use we as a collective noun is, as it's cutting people out of being "true followers". If you disagree you can tell someone to gently caress off, but you can do that without refusing to count them as valid since they don't angrypost as often as you.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:06
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I saw a news article on't phone earlier about a man being charged with kidnapping and impersonating a police officer. You gotta hand it to them, realising they can now always tack on that extra latter charge to any instance of the former.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:11
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NotJustANumber99 posted:He's already got a job. Why does he feel the need for another one? 2 - Ruining the UK isn't enough, they yearn to wreck every other country too.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:20
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I muddle up Tin Tower and Trin Tragula. I assumed that was just because of the names, but now I realize there is a deeper truth.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:22
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I think tintower actually did at some point get sick of the lib dems.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:27
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Do they still post about student politics as though anyone else knows who literally any of the people involved are?
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Oct 16, 2021 18:34
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Do they still post about student politics as though anyone else knows who literally any of the people involved are? Excellent practice for talking about the grown up lib Dems.
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Oct 16, 2021 18:38
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Not that I know of, but she does still post occasionally. Still seems to be largely politically engaged with LGBT stuff which is fair enough.
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Trickjaw posted:I say there should be a thread meet at Peter Pans playground on Southend Seafront with packed lunches, and ride the roller coaster like those cubs off Jim'll fix it whilst enjoying our milkshakes. That would make for a sober and thoughtful tribute to a man who loved animals, yet hated humans. Then we can all go get pissed. Are you talking about hitler?
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Trin Tragula posted:If this thread continues going the way it has been for the last several years, then sooner or later we'll have someone who's either posting or lurking here, who crosses the Rubicon and starts to think they should act on some of the sentiments being thrown around here ten-a-penny ha-ha-only-serious, and that really isn't going to end well.
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Political violence is the inevitable result of the breakdown of society caused by the contradictions of capitalism. Random political violence shouldn't be celebrated as it doesn't achieve a cogent aim or goal for the left or right, it just represents how badly liberal democracy represents the people. Organised political violence should [REDACTED].
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Until we have more info about the attacker's ideology (which I have noticed has been conspicuously absent from the papers), i'm going to assume he was a natural consequence of how hard the Tories have been pushing people in the last few years. Pretty sure BBC or Guardian said it was investigated as islamist-related terrorism. e: Here it is: BBC posted:Police added: "The early investigation has revealed a potential motivation linked to Islamist extremism."
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Oct 16, 2021 18:58
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happy John Brown Day to all the limeys across the pond
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I'm *deeply* suspicious about how quickly the police announced that they weren't looking for anyone else. That struck me as very odd, as the announcement came at the same time as the arrest, and *before* the announcement of the death. It's definitely not something they could have said with such confidence with just the evidence they had to hand at the time, IMO. I can't quite put my finger on it but it just doesn't sit right. Even if you suppose he was under active enough investigation for them to know that he was acting completely alone (and I have to say that would have to be to the level of "They knew he took the bus or walked there so there isn't a loose end to be tied up of whether whoever drove him there knew what was going on", i.e. full-on surveillance) they would surely want to go through his house and electronics to make certain that he wasn't under the control of someone else. Now the part of my brain that is forever  is thinking "Maybe they know *exactly* who inspired him to do this and are desperately hoping nobody else finds out" but even that doesn't quite line up - like even if you assume he was being provoked by state actors into doing something they could nick him for and it got out of hand, they surely wouldn't pass up the opportunity to do a bit of Clancying about vast underground sleeper cell networks and by the way here's our budget application for next year?Like I say, it's an odd little detail, but it's preying on my mind.
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I did think that was an odd turn of phrase just generally, I don't ever think of the police saying "we aren't looking for anyone else" like it's always "we are investigating" etc.
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Private Speech posted:Pretty sure BBC or Guardian said it was investigated as islamist-related terrorism. Hey look, new video by Abbie is relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S7ypQQIMQk Specifically the bits about entrapment and profiling.
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