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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

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this analysis drew on consumption-based emissions data as much as possible, as this better reflects the ethical principle of equal access to atmospheric commons. Consumption-based data, which are derived from Eora,15 were only available for 1970 to 2015.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/09535314.2013.769938

Edit: Anyway I was trying to figure out if those numbers included the emissions from US military, but all that data is a matrix table of GDP and GNI from EU, UN, and some national datasets and I have no idea what I am looking at there. So I am going to be optimistic and say, maybe yes?

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Shima Honnou
Dec 1, 2010

The Once And Future King Of Dicetroit

College Slice
i think youll find that the talking heads and dnc have said china is the originator of all sin and the mic representatives say it must be destroyed, so they are actually at the top of all charts

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Shima Honnou posted:

i think youll find that the talking heads and dnc have said china is the originator of all sin and the mic representatives say it must be destroyed, so they are actually at the top of all charts

we've always been at war with eurasia

wait no

eastasia

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r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

The Protagonist posted:

lol owned

Bumblebees are chill af, gotta really have hosed up to raise their ire

A couple months ago I sat down early in the morning to use the computer and felt this weird buzzing vibration under my finger



It looked tired so I carried it outside still sitting on the mouse and nudged it onto a flower :unsmith:
I will be sad when they are all gone

Sedisp
Jun 20, 2012


Bumblebees are very nice and good. I like watching them try and balance on stems and flowers that are too small.

I will miss them very much

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Rectal Death Adept posted:

What kind of rear end in a top hat dumps grass clippings on a bumblebee. Thats like emptying a dumptruck of giant palm fronds on someone from a building. No wonder they were pissed.

Luckily we have killed most types of fauna large enough to threaten us

Whos laughing now

Imagine if civilization evolved to this point and there were eagles large enough to prey on humans, would be cool

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

Sedisp posted:

Bumblebees are very nice and good. I like watching them try and balance on stems and flowers that are too small.

I will miss them very much

having a yard that's 90% covered in overgrown flowers ftw and it's buzzing with bees at all times and it kinda owns

trade off is being so remote there's no cellular or tv service or papa johns delivery (bees probably don't like cars)

Jel Shaker
Apr 19, 2003

Modern bees should be ashamed of themselves. Back in the 70s there were hardly any rules governing what sorts of poo poo farmers could spray at them, and they just got on with the job of making honey and ruining picnics. Nowadays, despite having new, safe chemicals governed by strict environmental laws, this snowflake generation of bees just drop dead at the slightest whiff of anything they don’t like. Pathetic.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
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Can't post for 5 hours!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
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Chamale posted:

Galapagos tortoises taste amazing - like mutton with butter. And you can stack them upside-down to keep them alive and fresh for a long sea voyage.

This has got to smell amazing on board, they smell weird enough without being covered in pee and poo

CODChimera
Jan 29, 2009

Shipon posted:

lmfao that this thread fell for a junk paper that was a stealth ad for some grifters published in a predatory journal that accepts anything

lol if you're still reading science reports

we are already off the rails. you can't graph that.

Stereotype
Apr 24, 2010

College Slice

Sedisp posted:

Bumblebees are very nice and good. I like watching them try and balance on stems and flowers that are too small.

I will miss them very much

we won't be long after if it is any consolation

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.
https://twitter.com/sophiegreenart/status/1449664824774995978

Tekne
Feb 15, 2012

It's-a me, motherfucker

he’s just on the climeo diet and lookin really fit

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014

Shima Honnou posted:

i think youll find that the talking heads and dnc have said china is the originator of all sin and the mic representatives say it must be destroyed, so they are actually at the top of all charts

any country's emissions should be presented per capita anyway, and if you do that then the US emits like twice as much as china per person

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice
we grow a lot of corn so maybe we can start feeding the polar bears corn.

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
how are polar bears going to pay for corn

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Rectal Death Adept posted:

how are polar bears going to pay for corn

maybe we can give them loans based on the future value of their pelts and organs and stuff?

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Rectal Death Adept posted:

how are polar bears going to pay for corn

they should figure out how to grow chlorophyll in their cells so they can be solar bears

T-Paine
Dec 12, 2007

Sitting in the Costco food court unmasked, Bible in hand, reading my favorite Psalms to my five children: Abel, Bethany, Carlos, Carlos, and Carlos.
I'm thinking a brand deal with Polar brand seltzers. I bet the starving bears could really use the cold, crisp, refreshing pick me up of a 12 pack of orange vanilla to fuel their desperate scavenging sessions, now BOGO at participating Wal-Greens

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
all i know is that i have to pay for my corn so i don't agree with you loving liberal commies wanting to give corn handouts to any starving dumbass ice bear that can't find ice anymore because it's too dumb to go to the north pole

kater
Nov 16, 2010

why are you paying for corn

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

stopped drinking coca-cola’s eh?

Feral Integral
Jun 6, 2006

YOSPOS


Koch boy looking exceptional

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

SKULL.GIF posted:

the key part is "their fair share", China is enormous so they get an accordingly enormous share. They're putting out a lot of heat but not more than they were budgeted for, unlike everyone else in that chart

It's why Belgium outranks them on that chart even though Belgium is a tiny fraction of China

hmm good point good point

Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

Rectal Death Adept posted:

What kind of rear end in a top hat dumps grass clippings on a bumblebee. Thats like emptying a dumptruck of giant palm fronds on someone from a building. No wonder they were pissed.

Luckily we have killed most types of fauna large enough to threaten us

Whos laughing now

Complications posted:

The billionaires. Those guys are laughing pretty hard.

Yes, I fell to my knees with fists clenched as I yelled at the sky "BILLIONAIRES"

Rime
Nov 2, 2011

by Games Forum
Scientists discover large rift in the Arctic's last bastion of thick sea ice 




quote:

A new study documents the formation of a 3,000-square-kilometer rift in the oldest and thickest Arctic ice. The area of open water, called a polynya, is the first to be identified in an area north of Ellesmere Island, Canada's northernmost island, and is another sign of the rapid changes taking place in the Arctic, according to researchers.

Koirhor
Jan 14, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

we can have a boe in 2025 as a treat

Complications
Jun 19, 2014

quote:

Extreme wind conditions created the gap by pushing ice aside, which is common, said David Babb, a sea ice researcher at the University of Manitoba who was not involved in the study. But it's unusual for sea ice as thick as in the Last Ice Area to be blown around, especially far from the coast where winds tend to be weaker than near the coast, he said.
They literally call it the Last Ice Area. Capitalized. That's beautiful.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Hitting the 2017 postscript for Cadillac Desert, now that's the poo poo I was looking for.

:sickos:

https://www.lasvegasnevada.gov/News/Blog/Detail/lake-mead-water-shortage

quote:

On Aug. 16, 2021 the federal government, prompted by the low water levels in Lake Mead, issued a water shortage declaration on the Colorado River. The shortage will reduce the amount of water Southern Nevada will be allowed to withdraw from Lake Mead beginning in January 2022.

the shortage declaration is the first of its kind

The declared shortage will cut Southern Nevada’s annual water allocation of 300,000 acre-feet from Lake Mead—the source of 90 percent of the community’s supply—by a total of 21,000 acre-feet (nearly seven billion gallons of water) in 2022.

Conservation progress has stalled in recent years.



https://www.rvtravel.com/lack-water-lake-mead-leads-level-1-water-shortage-declaration-1014b/

quote:

Arizona is slated to lose about 512,000 acre-feet of previously allocated water from Lake Mead in 2022. Nevada will lose 21,000 acre-feet, and Mexico will lose 80,000 acre-feet. An acre-foot is the amount of water needed to cover one acre of land one foot deep (that’s about 326,000 gallons).

Hoover Dam will also be impacted, since water from Lake Mead turns those big turbines that generate electricity.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/joannaallhands/2021/05/20/lake-mead-likely-tier-2-shortage-2023-impact-arizona/5183361001/

quote:

And, even worse, we’re getting down into the V-shaped part of Lake Mead, meaning it takes a loss of less water to drop lake levels than it once did. Losing smaller volumes of water can have bigger impacts.

How a Tier 2 shortage could play out

But a Tier 2 shortage in 2023 wouldn’t be a walk in the park. Technically, there are two levels of Tier 2 shortage for Arizona – a Tier 2a that’s triggered at 1,050 feet of elevation on Lake Mead and a Tier 2b that would occur at 1,045 feet.

It’s a small variance in elevation, but it would increase required cuts statewide, from 592,000 to 640,000 acre-feet, and decimate Central Arizona Project’s Non-Indian Agriculture (NIA) pool, which despite its name mostly supplies tribes and cities.

Luckily, Arizona’s DCP implementation plan includes water to temporarily mitigate the impact of those cuts. But the amount replenished in 2023 would fall from 75% to 50% in a Tier 2b shortage. That will still be painful, particularly for metro Phoenix cities that use NIA water to serve a few existing customers.

there’s also a 1 in 4 chance that we could fall into a Tier 3 shortage by 2025 – the worst-case scenario spelled out under DCP and one that would much more heavily impact metro Phoenix cities.

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 18:45 on Oct 17, 2021

Chamale
Jul 11, 2010

I'm helping!



Acre-foot is the stupidest loving measurement. It's roughly 1,233,480 litres so I can just multiply by a million in my head.

That's a relatively small curtailment, I wonder if the water authority is hoping the drought ends soon.

Homocow
Apr 24, 2007

Extremely bad poster!
DO NOT QUOTE!


Pillbug

Rectal Death Adept posted:

i once ate at waffle house, arbys and taco bell in the same night and could dissolve toilets like a xenomorph so I posit that i, too, can speak to acidification

Cold on a Cob posted:

please don't advocate self harm

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

WorldsStongestNerd posted:

While true, roundup for example has been used since the 70s. The same for industrial applications of pesticides and herbicides. Something else we don't know about has brought the hammer down on insects over the last decade.

I agree it's probably a combination of things but I'm not willing to let go of glyphosate as the boogeyman quite yet. Glyphosate use didn't start to take off until the mid-1990s when the first RoundupReady gmo was released. Before then the U.S. was barely at 30 million pounds per year and farmers had a delicate balancing act between killing the weeds and killing their crop. By the mid 2000s glyphosate resistant weeds had evolved (who could have predicted this?) and somewhere along the line the practice of "field drying" beans and other crops started - killing the crop with glyphosate and letting it bake in the sun to save space in the barns and drying sheds. The U.S. is probably north of 230 millions pounds annually now.

The thing that worries me about glyphosate is that while it's true that mammals don't have a metabolic pathway it can impact fungus and bacteria do. Everything with a gut has a miniature ecosystem in it and is dependent on that ecosystem functioning properly. loving with gut flora is like loving with plankton; they're fundamental for higher life and it's not going to end well.

But I'm sure it's not a problem since glyphosate degrades in a few days in the environment without any weird breakdown products or anything. Correlation, cause, etc. Those monarch butterflies died with glyphosate, not of it.



mediaphage posted:

interestingly a recent paper in the journal of applied ecology makes the suggestion that it's not actually glyphosate that is responsible for the deaths, but probably some kind of surfactant or other ingredient they're using that is damaging, at least to bumblebees:

Too lazy to look it up but I think they saw this too years ago with Bacillus thuringiensis. An oil or something they were using as a carrier was Not Good, kind of loving up its reputation as an organic pesticide.

The paper seems to be describing acute toxicity effects rather than what one would expect to see with chronic debilitating effects leading to things like colony collapse.

And I am aware that Colony Collapse Disorder and winter kill in honeybees are probably disease/parasite driven. I've managed to get my winter kill rate down to 30% like the professionals but jeez it's a crap shoot. There''s been a lot of interest lately in amateur beekeeping but there are a lot of colonies that haven't survived the first winter. It's a bit like bullfrog and chinchilla farms during the Great Depression - there's money to be made selling the starter kits but not much else. At least the local bumblebees are doing well. I wonder how much of that is due to the proliferation of the alien invasive Himalayan Giant blackberry?


Lostconfused posted:

Hitting the 2017 postscript for Cadillac Desert, now that's the poo poo I was looking for.

Just got this from the library. Looks like a fun read.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Chamale posted:

Acre-foot is the stupidest loving measurement. It's roughly 1,233,480 litres so I can just multiply by a million in my head.

That's a relatively small curtailment, I wonder if the water authority is hoping the drought ends soon.

It's only supposed to cut it by a few percentage points, less than ten.

Acrefoot measurement is used because almost all of that water is used for irrigated farmland so everything is pegged to that reference.

It's also not about how much water use is cut but the systemic consequences that will follow. All of the water is being used, reduction in delivery will probably result in farmers going out of business and farm land turning into dust.

RadiRoot
Feb 3, 2007

we should return Las Vegas back to the desert.

edit: or meadows?

"The area was named Las Vegas, which is Spanish for "the meadows", as it featured abundant wild grasses, as well as the desert spring waters needed by westward travelers."

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Radirot posted:

we should return Las Vegas back to the desert.

Las Vegas is fine, they built an intake at like 800' level or something, they'll suck that lake dry if they have to.

https://www.nps.gov/lake/learn/the-third-straw.htm

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Rauros
Aug 25, 2004

wanna go grub thumping?

Lostconfused posted:

Hitting the 2017 postscript for Cadillac Desert, now that's the poo poo I was looking for.

:sickos:

is there a link to that postscript anywhere?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Rauros posted:

is there a link to that postscript anywhere?

You can :filez: it

GoogleBooks also has it I think.

Leroy Diplowski
Aug 25, 2005

The Candyman Can :science:

Visit My Candy Shop

And SA Mart Thread

Oxxidation posted:

has anyone actually figured out what’s killing them yet

last theory I heard was mutations from long term pesticide exposure or something

I read a book on native north American bumble bees and there was a chapter about franklin's bumble bee native to the PNW which was last seen years ago and is either extinct now or really close to it.

One researcher in the book blamed hothouse tomatoes. Some solitary bees have seasonal lifecycles where the adults will die every winter and then the next generation will emerge in the spring. The availability of nectar from the greenhouses while all of the natural sources are going dormant for the winter attracts the bees to an area where their offspring won't be viable at a critical time.

The poor fuckers die far later in the season fat and happy but their larvae will never survive in the greenhouse and each season skims more and more bees from the population until there are none left.

The takeaway for me is that it's easy to place the blame for species extinction on some sort of broad cause like glyphosate but to truly understand the cause of disappearance we need to look deeply enough to understand the behavior of the species and the specifics of how it interacts with human activity.

The lovely part is that there are thousands of insect species facing population decline and it's probably for a whole bunch of individual reasons and we are putting hardly any resources into finding out why so it will by and large remain a mystery. We already don't know for sure what killed off the franklin's bumblebee because they are all gone. There's nothing left to observe.

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Trainee PornStar
Jul 20, 2006

I'm just an inbetweener

Leroy Diplowski posted:

The poor fuckers die far later in the season fat and happy but their larvae will never survive in the greenhouse and each season skims more and more bees from the population until there are none left.

Hmmm..... Rings a bell....

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