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Valko
Sep 18, 2015

Shear Modulus posted:

aren't all the papers and columnists still saying that keir is doing an amazing job

I don't read UK print media for obvious reasons so I don't know. He did once say that it was tough to be the leader of the opposition because the current government are doing a bang up job, though. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if the press is doing that because he has 'got with the plan' or some poo poo.

Take nurses pay for instance. They quite justifiably want an increase of 12%. Kier said he would start at 1-2% and negotiate up from there. The Tories gave them 3% and claimed the moral high ground. It's like I said before, incompetence and stupidity don't explain it.

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i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

1% of 20,000 is 200.

No Dignity
Oct 15, 2007

Shear Modulus posted:

aren't all the papers and columnists still saying that keir is doing an amazing job

Even they've given up the ghost on that one. Left twitter barely even bothers making 'finally, real opposition' jibes anymore because the press can't even pretend he's going anywhere

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Valko posted:

You see, this is what troubles me. Incompetence just doesn't explain Starmer. Stupidity doesn't either. I'm actually scared to know what really does.

His job's to protect the Establishment while looking innocent and a little confused about what's actually going on and he's become very good at it. He'll wear that sincere, slightly baffled expression all the way into his final reward of a seat in the House of Lords; whether it's entirely cynical or not makes no difference to the eventual outcome.

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:

To be fair to your mate, being 17 is all about saving up for a fedora

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

Shear Modulus posted:

aren't all the papers and columnists still saying that keir is doing an amazing job

Some of the centrists have started to turn which means he's finished tbh

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

multijoe posted:

Even they've given up the ghost on that one. Left twitter barely even bothers making 'finally, real opposition' jibes anymore because the press can't even pretend he's going anywhere

The really funny part is that they are trying to boost Reeves as if she's not going to be exactly the same

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

MikeCrotch posted:

The really funny part is that they are trying to boost Reeves as if she's not going to be exactly the same

she's been an MP a lot longer but is also way more unpleasant. wes streeting was the last new name and lmao at that. the problem the labour right have got is they're all so personally repellent that there are no good candidates

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the labour party have some very weird neuroses in general, and it tends to lead them to astonishing feats of ruthlessness, madness and sentimentality

like the stuff about electability being basically a religious dogma. just insane stuff imo

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Jose posted:

she's been an MP a lot longer but is also way more unpleasant.

this, Reeves is the MP who praised Literal Nazi Nancy Astor and said she'd be 'tougher than the Tories' regarding benefits

if Kieth is the Keith Joseph, Reeves is the Thatcher

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Venomous posted:

this, Reeves is the MP who praised Literal Nazi Nancy Astor and said she'd be 'tougher than the Tories' regarding benefits
I read this as "raised Literal Nazi Nancy Astor", and was only slightly suspicious that she was this old.

SMILLENNIALSMILLEN
Jun 26, 2009



lmao england

https://twitter.com/SquawkaNews/status/1449758919346298882

YerDa Zabam
Aug 13, 2016



Valko posted:

I have a personal burning hatred for Oasis. I couldn't even name any of the band members except for the Gallagher bro's. I despise Liam in particular.

The story is I once had a friend who was big into music. He was the best friend I ever had for a couple of years until he discovered Oasis. This was when we were in our early teens. He didn't just copy Liam's look, he started acting and behaving like him too.

Long story short; I ended up having to knock him out with two punches to the face when we were 17.

I once heard a friend say that they liked Oasis for their "cocaine attitude".
It still amazes me.
(former friend of course)

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

Valko posted:

I don't read UK print media for obvious reasons

Harsh slam on 2000ad here

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
goddamn I did not think that the UK school lunches could get worse then sending out carrot nubs and tablespoons of tuna in coin bags but here you go:

https://twitter.com/ByYourLogic/status/1449881116069015557?t=m8RK18Q9yi7RlHqfOYj2VQ&s=19

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Box of Bunnies posted:

Harsh slam on 2000ad here

A judge punishing the guilty instead of the poor just feels so utopian the stories have no weight.

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

endlessmonotony posted:

A judge punishing the guilty instead of the poor just feels so utopian the stories have no weight.

Fair cop

Like, you look at the fact that the fucker that killed Sarah Everad had the nickname "the rapist" amongst his polis brethren because they knew he was a sex pest but didn't give a poo poo and you look at the fact that Judge Dredd would have strung that dude up in an instant and its like somehow we've gotten to the point where that super fash state would somehow be preferable

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

multijoe posted:

Even they've given up the ghost on that one. Left twitter barely even bothers making 'finally, real opposition' jibes anymore because the press can't even pretend he's going anywhere

well that and British left twitter being 5 people and a dog

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer
the dog is the only one that gets likes

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Box of Bunnies posted:

Fair cop

Like, you look at the fact that the fucker that killed Sarah Everad had the nickname "the rapist" amongst his polis brethren because they knew he was a sex pest but didn't give a poo poo and you look at the fact that Judge Dredd would have strung that dude up in an instant and its like somehow we've gotten to the point where that super fash state would somehow be preferable

people keep saying that dreddworld is a fascist dystopia, but i keep getting weird anarchist wibes from it. like, the judges institution mostly seems devoid of hierarchies and judges rarely seem show any kind of acknowledgement of authority between each other that doesnt arise from experience. nevermind the fact that the state is an armed gang and seemingly do nothing else except drive around like a pack of raiders looking for glory or death

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

lollontee posted:

nevermind the fact that the state is an armed gang and seemingly do nothing else except drive around like a pack of raiders looking for glory or death

when did we start talking about american cops?

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

prefect posted:

when did we start talking about american cops?

american cops are mediocre pussies too scared to go out in anything less than a war party. nothing worth witnessing in them

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





if they actually go through with removing anonymity on social media because of the Amess bullshit, I will be forced to leave Facebook and Twitter until I leave the country, as will most other trans people across the UK without a GRC and/or a legal name change, because my deadname will be tied to my social media presence and I will not be able to express myself online without everything that implies hanging over my neck

I don't need to say this on a forum of anonymous goons, but I'll say it anyway: online anonymity is an incredibly good thing and should not be removed for any reason

prefect
Sep 11, 2001

No one, Woodhouse.
No one.




Dead Man’s Band

Venomous posted:

if they actually go through with removing anonymity on social media because of the Amess bullshit, I will be forced to leave Facebook and Twitter until I leave the country, as will most other trans people across the UK without a GRC and/or a legal name change, because my deadname will be tied to my social media presence and I will not be able to express myself online without everything that implies hanging over my neck

I don't need to say this on a forum of anonymous goons, but I'll say it anyway: online anonymity is an incredibly good thing and should not be removed for any reason

Hey, we're pseudonymous, not anonymous. :D

(Good luck with the whole situation over there. I hope things improve.)

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Venomous posted:

if they actually go through with removing anonymity on social media because of the Amess bullshit, I will be forced to leave Facebook and Twitter until I leave the country, as will most other trans people across the UK without a GRC and/or a legal name change, because my deadname will be tied to my social media presence and I will not be able to express myself online without everything that implies hanging over my neck

I don't need to say this on a forum of anonymous goons, but I'll say it anyway: online anonymity is an incredibly good thing and should not be removed for any reason

seems like every day now i get new reasons to feel glad that i never made a facebook or twatter

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lollontee posted:

american cops are mediocre pussies too scared to go out in anything less than a war party. nothing worth witnessing in them

i'm sorry you seem to be inferring that UK cops engage in more violence than US cops, especially considering the number of deaths in custody and in prison

edit or you seem to think US cops go on some kind of "war party" with a native american definition of mass slaughter. this one's easier to peg

i say swears online has issued a correction as of 10:04 on Oct 18, 2021

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

i say swears online posted:

i'm sorry you seem to be inferring that UK cops engage in more violence than US cops, especially considering #deaths in custody

hmmmh... well they got fewer guns so i guess its a more hands on job at the station house

Tahirovic
Feb 25, 2009
Fun Shoe
Looking forward to Europe giving UK citizens asylum under the Geneva treaty while it slowly transitions to Mad Max islands.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lollontee posted:

hmmmh... well they got fewer guns so i guess its a more hands on job at the station house

are you drunk

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

lollontee posted:

people keep saying that dreddworld is a fascist dystopia, but i keep getting weird anarchist wibes from it

I mean, as someone that's fairly new to actually reading Dredd stuff, the enforcement on "white powder" (sugar) crimes is definitely something that you wouldn't see in an anarchist world

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

beer is my posting guzzoline. and also american cops are definately more violent than uk cops, i was just riffin or something

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008


https://twitter.com/terryfuck45/status/1449798212689203207

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

lollontee posted:

beer is my posting guzzoline. and also american cops are definately more violent than uk cops, i was just riffin or something

ayyyy c'mon katlyn, we're in the home o' the enemy

New Found Power
Aug 18, 2005

As in atom bomb... As in nuclear fission.. As in the end of the world.

Venomous posted:

if they actually go through with removing anonymity on social media because of the Amess bullshit, I will be forced to leave Facebook and Twitter until I leave the country, as will most other trans people across the UK without a GRC and/or a legal name change, because my deadname will be tied to my social media presence and I will not be able to express myself online without everything that implies hanging over my neck

I don't need to say this on a forum of anonymous goons, but I'll say it anyway: online anonymity is an incredibly good thing and should not be removed for any reason

https://twitter.com/nailheadparty/status/1414580700146241540

gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

Tahirovic posted:

Looking forward to Europe giving UK citizens asylum under the Geneva treaty while it slowly transitions to Mad Max islands.

There's precedent for at least british trans people bring granted asylum based on the uk's treatment of them

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


gonadic io posted:

There's precedent for at least british trans people bring granted asylum based on the uk's treatment of them

God that's depressing. I mean, good they have somewhere to escape to but depressing that TERF-Islands are so lovely & bigoted

Valko
Sep 18, 2015

forkboy84 posted:

God that's depressing. I mean, good they have somewhere to escape to but depressing that TERF-Islands are so lovely & bigoted

Islands? Plural? Don't lump the rest of us in with England.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

lollontee posted:

people keep saying that dreddworld is a fascist dystopia, but i keep getting weird anarchist wibes from it. like, the judges institution mostly seems devoid of hierarchies and judges rarely seem show any kind of acknowledgement of authority between each other that doesnt arise from experience. nevermind the fact that the state is an armed gang and seemingly do nothing else except drive around like a pack of raiders looking for glory or death

An easy to miss joke in Dredd is that the Judge system is absolutely terrible at its stated purpose, massively understaffed for what it's supposed to do (bolstering their ranks with clones including Dredd himself because their standards are so strict) and overworking itself with enforcement of absolutely pointless laws while crime, violence and contraband run rampant at all times. They have a 1984 style surveillance system that's barely monitored at all because even with robots they don't have the people to meaningfully do so.

Also the other joke is that in any other society, Dredd would probably be Ned Flanders.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Valko posted:

Islands? Plural? Don't lump the rest of us in with England.

The Isle of Wight, Isle of Sheppey, Canvey Island, lots of bad English islands (also it's not like Scotland doesn't have a TERF problem of its own)

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gonadic io
Feb 16, 2011

>>=

Valko posted:

Islands? Plural? Don't lump the rest of us in with England.

quote:

Speaking from experience, the National Gender Service (NGS) has a three-year waiting list from the first referral. It uses an archaic, non-evidence-based psychiatric assessment model. There are no trans-specific healthcare services for children or adolescents.

Countries like New Zealand, Australia, and Germany follow international best practice standards of care which allow people who are transgender to access treatments and surgery without undergoing mental health evaluation or referral from a mental health specialist.

Ireland is, in fact, just as bad as the UK for public trans healthcare
https://www.dublininquirer.com/2020/12/09/noah-transgender-healthcare-in-ireland-is-inadequate (2020)
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waiting-times-for-healthcare-in-ireland-among-worst-in-europe-1.3372624 (2018)

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