Wheeee posted:

to add a small bit of commentary on this, this book spent 14 months in review by government agencies before being approved to publish, the authors have had to be quite precise with how they dance around the details

now recall the seemingly throw-away line about Lue talking about remote viewing experience during combat, a much earlier stage of his career in the past, something Lue has never so much as hinted at while playing the ‘i was never a ufo guy before 2008’ card, and something asked of him at the end of a recent interview which he became cagey about and took off the table as a possible topic of conversation

now note the security officer mentally commanding an unseen presence to show itself, something he almost certainly was taught

they may not know exactly what’s happening there, but they have an idea

Wheeee posted:

I’m not sold on Skinwalker, though I do suspect that if it’s bullshit it is, again, very deliberate bullshit for a reason and not just crazies.

Wheeee posted:

I’m not sold on Skinwalker, though I do suspect that if it’s bullshit it is, again, very deliberate bullshit for a reason and not just crazies.

Looking at the broader UAP phenomenon however, I’m pretty well convinced that something weird is happening, even if it is all psychological somehow.

Hodgepodge posted:

These kind of make me feel like something bad went down there, like a "roadside picnic" that leaves tortured souls and poo poo instead of just an area full of general nope. It also seems to imply that it doesn't really like information gained from observing it being shared.

Or at least that's where the narrative is leaning, if it's all kayfabe.

Barry Foster posted:

EDIT ^^^^^^^^^^^ don't be stupid, they don't got mussies, they're all fish down there. Unless you're talking reverse-mermaids, that's a different story, they've definitely got fitties

I am doing my level best to remain sceptical because I know I really want to believe all this stuff

That said, Wheeee if you've introduced any hitchhikers to my flat by reading that book and spreading the infection I'm not going to be happy. Fair warning

Wheeee posted:

any bitchmade fear drinking shadow punk comes into my room and starts screaming at me imma turn into a motherfuckin rage beast on his rear end

Fly Ricky posted:

How many posters in this thread are experiencers? Witnesses?

I’ll raise my hand. Doesn’t convince others, but once you see something up close the question of “is it real” is answered.

edit: I’d go so far to say it has changed my life more than anything save for marriage/parenthood.

Fly Ricky posted:

How many posters in this thread are experiencers? Witnesses?

I’ll raise my hand. Doesn’t convince others, but once you see something up close the question of “is it real” is answered.

edit: I’d go so far to say it has changed my life more than anything save for marriage/parenthood.

Log082 posted:

I am the most boring person imaginable and have never seen anything UFO or supernatural.

Apparently my grandfather saw a UFO once in Ohio, but he never told me any details about it. I'm not sure I believe it, because it would require aliens to have an interest in Ohio.

Hodgepodge posted:

These kind of make me feel like something bad went down there, like a "roadside picnic" that leaves tortured souls and poo poo instead of just an area full of general nope. It also seems to imply that it doesn't really like information gained from observing it being shared.

Or at least that's where the narrative is leaning, if it's all kayfabe.

Fly Ricky posted:

How many posters in this thread are experiencers? Witnesses?

I’ll raise my hand. Doesn’t convince others, but once you see something up close the question of “is it real” is answered.

edit: I’d go so far to say it has changed my life more than anything save for marriage/parenthood.

Log082 posted:

I am the most boring person imaginable and have never seen anything UFO or supernatural.

Apparently my grandfather saw a UFO once in Ohio, but he never told me any details about it. I'm not sure I believe it, because it would require aliens to have an interest in Ohio.

Pryor on Fire posted:

There are a bunch of nuclear plants in Ohio right? I guess that's the joke: your town is so boring the nuke plant is the most interesting thing, it's the simpsons but for real

Azathoth posted:

One of the more interesting things about the actual Skinwalker Ranch property and the experiences there is how digging seems to somehow set off whatever is happening. The famous story of the post hole digger being found up a tree from the original book being probably the most famous.

quote:

The first psychic bits are the most important shapes that you will see. You should make little sketches of these images as they come to view, even though they don’t make sense and are not really objects. Naming and analysis are the principle enemies of remote viewing. Your hand may make little movements in the air over the paper; notice them and describe what your subliminal mind is trying to tell you.

Good. Now, take a break and remember to breathe after each new picture comes into view. You should then look again at your internal mental slate. In this second look hopefully you will “see” or be given another image, or perhaps you will experience the same one again with additional information. As a viewer, you are particularly looking for surprising and novel images that do not belong to your normal rep­ ertoire of mental impressions.

For the third viewing, imagine that you are holding the target object in your hand in a few minutes and ask yourself the follwing questions: Does this object have a color or texture? Is it shiny? Does it have sharp edges? What could I do with it? Does it have movable parts? Does it have an odor? Is it heavy or light, wood or metal? Write down your answers, based on your feel­ ings and mental pictures. You should continue this process until no new bits come to you. Ingo Swann calls this third phase “sensing the aesthetic impact.” The whole process should not take more than ten to fifteen minutes. Remember, to be right, you have to be willing to be wrong. The good news is that through this process you can learn to give a surprisingly coherent description of a hidden object. The bad news is that you are exceedingly unlikely to ever know psychically exactly what the object is — because that kind of knowing requires analysis and naming. That can come later.

After you have described a number of different images, it is good to make a summary of all the things you have said. Try to distinguish between the images that you feel the most strongly about and those that more likely have originated from noise, memory, analysis, or imagination, or from things you saw earlier in the day. That is, you must go through your notes and try to separate out your most confi­ dent psychic bits from the analytical chatter. The remaining collection of bits will then be your final description of the target. Historically, ESP researchers have found that these confidence calls are often the best indication of correctness. [...] Don't forget: the rule in the remote-viewing game is that if it didn’t get down on the paper, it didn’t happen. So it is important to write down or draw everything, and eventually you will learn to separate the signal from the noise. You are now learning to separate the psychic signal and image from your memory, imagination, analysis, naming, guessing, and grasping."

Bilirubin posted:

Link this book please and thanks.

Whereas I have not met any screaming tormented aliens or orbs, I did once have an encounter with a local spirit that scolded me for littering. This is in an area where one of our First Nations does vision quests, and subsequently I read about a very similar encounter that prevented Crazy Horse from making an attack on Army troops so, whether it was "real" or not, its certainly given me a good story (and I picked up that missing plastic bag).

Bilirubin posted:

Link this book please and thanks.

"Hunt for the Skinwalker: Science Confronts the Unexplained at a Remote Ranch in Utah posted:

Ellen was getting increasingly worried about her memory when one evening Tom stormed in and demanded to know who had hidden the post digger. He was irate. Both kids looked up from their homework. They were puzzled. Ellen told him that all three had been in the house for the past couple of hours. Tom said that he had left the seventy-pound implement on the ground and gone to his truck to get a wrench, returned a couple of minutes later, and it was gone. He was angry because he wanted to finish mending a broken fence, and it was almost dark. The family went outside to help him look. Thirty minutes later they gave up. Tom was silent and frustrated the whole evening.
...
Tom eventually found his missing post digger. The only trouble was he found it perched twenty feet up a tree. It would have taken somebody of great strength to lift a seventy-pound post digger up into a tree.

SavageGentleman posted:

Short version: remote viewing is easy to learn, hard to master - your analytical mind is the enemy.

I can hide an object at my place tomorrow so you dirty, dirty goons can remote view it for your leasure.

Vomik posted:

wait the Native American spirits wanted the white settlers to win?

Azathoth posted:

Bilirubin posted:

cheers!

my bony fealty posted:

do the pnuttys have solid black eyes like the normal grey or human-like eyes with the white parts and pupils. their drawings all conflict on this

SavageGentleman posted:

I think they mention that they have both bascically. The black thing is a second eyelid (similar to the ones many animals have) that protects from harsh light and UV; when it's retracted, you will see the normal eyes with colors like amber, brown, etc.

They also have four very long and limber fingers without a thumb (always makes me think of the old "Salad fingers" cartoon). Apparently they do well without an opposable thumb because the other fingers are flexible enough to take that role when needed, but my mind still struggles to imagine a P'nti holding a coffee cup.

SavageGentleman posted:

Allrighty, here we go:

A Goon's Remote Viewing Primer; supported by Russell Targ: THE REALITY OF ESP. A Physicist’s Proof of Psychic Abilities. Esp. Chapter 11: "Learning Remote Viewing: Separating the Psychic Signal from the Mental Noise."

Usually Remote Viewing is a 2-person thing: The viewer will do the actual remote viewing while the monitor takes notes and moves the process forward by asking general or more specific questions (and brings the viewer back on track if they get distracted with details.

The2-person setup will not work for our forum, but we can still do some experiments by ourselves or with a group.


The group experiment (can be done online - in this thread!)

Picking and placing an Object

One person picks an intersting object and stores it at a specific place in their home (e.g. a small basket/bag/box in the living room). The object stays there for the duration of the experiment and will be revealed via photo when the deadline for the group has ended.

Notes for the object: Please pick an object that has an interesting, but not too complex shape. Ingo Swann describes the connected problem as "lack of fusion": too many similar or overlaying geometric elements within the same object confuse the viewer.

Viewing the Object

The rest of the group will be informed that the object has been placed in a specific place ("e.g. the object is in a bag in the living room of user XYZ"). They will not be told what the object is: it is their job, by using only their mind, the basic description ("the object in the bag in the living room of user XYZ"), and pen & paper, to gather mental impressions and make a sketch / or ekstches of the object. They will take a photo of the sketch and upload it until the deadline ends.

How to view the object:

1) note down/get rid of the first impressions you got when you started this session:
"If you come into the session with clearly formed initial impressions or images, it is very important that you write them down on the top of the paper and label them “initial images.” Otherwise, they will follow you all through your session. Then draw a line under them to separate them from the rest of the transcript, recognizing that they may, or may not, have anything to do with the day’s target."

2) Close your eyes, relax for a couple of minutes, and then focus your mind on the object (via the description).

3) Keep your mind open, note down all mental impressions - without trying to put a name on it. Targ with more info (long quote):

Yes, too long to read.

Short version: remote viewing is easy to learn, hard to master - your analytical mind is the enemy.

I can hide an object at my place tomorrow so you dirty, dirty goons can remote view it for your leasure.

SavageGentleman posted:

Obligatory peanut tweet re. the Skinwalker ranch: Tldr: Ancient (natural) rift /weak point in the fabric of space-time , currently unregulated and mostly used by the shittier denizens of the cosmos:

https://twitter.com/SandiaWisdom/status/1320690422646231040

by the way, they also say demons (as in multidemnesional rear end in a top hat anergy beings) are real. Space is less nice than I imagined

https://twitter.com/SandiaWisdom/status/1391093904565575682

quote:

In March 2010, Joseph McMoneagle, one of the premier remote viewers in the U.S., was asked to observe a target designated as “22610” using traditional blind targeting protocols. “22610” was actually Skinwalker Ranch. Blind targeting protocols mean he had no knowledge that the ranch was his target. As expected, McMoneagle’s sketch of the Skinwalker Ranch, description of the environment, animals present, and characteristics of the two ranch managers and two security guards were excellent. But he indicated that a fifth individual was also present. McMoneagle described a male, 60–70 pounds, with a height of 4’3” with no hair. Age was not able to be determined. Exact physical features were unclear, as opposed to those of the managers and guards. McMoneagle said that the fifth individual could not be seen by ranch personnel but did attempt test communications with them to see their response. He indicated that the communication was not precise or clear, and to the individuals on the ranch it would seem to come from above and behind their heads.

Fly Ricky posted:

How many posters in this thread are experiencers? Witnesses?

I’ll raise my hand. Doesn’t convince others, but once you see something up close the question of “is it real” is answered.

edit: I’d go so far to say it has changed my life more than anything save for marriage/parenthood.

Inspector Hound posted:

But could it have been a bag

https://twitter.com/Spacecowboy781/status/1450302099078664192?t=YQE2cR2HXzTv7KJRMYMKSg&s=19