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Also, Tua was good yesterday outside of like two plays. He spent the entire day running around dodging defenders with no run support and an idiot head coach and OCs. He’s the main reason the game was close. Starting Reid Sinnett isn’t going to fix anything lol.
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Eifert Posting posted:Two ... Pairs? drat that's a lot of nipples. Yeah there are the normal ones then four extra. The extras are just little dots basically, you wouldn't even see them unless you were looking and in fact I didn't even realize they existed until I was about 15 or so. Still they are perfectly symmetrical so it's pretty clear what they are once you notice. Apparently my sister was born with a third nipple that was like, more large or something and it was removed when she was a baby. don't tell her I said that though Fate Accomplice posted:I identify with it cause I have 6 wisdom teeth. freaks every dentist out. Do you still have them just lurking back there? Are they like, unerupted or do you just have a longer set of teeth than everyone else? So many questions Ehud posted:Defense isn’t getting turnovers like crazy anymore, the linebackers changed around and are much worse, the front office gambled that the young OL would get better in year two and instead they’re the worst in the NFL, they didn’t add anyone dynamic at RB and it probably wouldn’t have mattered because dudes get hit 3 yards in the backfield anyways, the WR corps is a bunch of guys who have rarely (never?) finished a full season healthy, Flores fired Chan Gailey and promoted two guys with no experience to run the offense, the two great CBs that the defense revolves around are both hurt, Tua missed a month because the OL is so miserable. That looks about right, yeah. Incredible how fast it seems to be falling apart, I would've called Flores one of the rising stars of the league in terms of head coaching just last year. Not so much now. Lots to fix but number one has to be quarterback. I wish Tua was still playing so he could get some experience and we could get more looks at him, but overall I am very skeptical.
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Play posted:Is it really just Fitzpatrick not being there? Yes. Tua is a bad QB and should feel bad.
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Play posted:Yeah there are the normal ones then four extra. The extras are just little dots basically, you wouldn't even see them unless you were looking and in fact I didn't even realize they existed until I was about 15 or so. Still they are perfectly symmetrical so it's pretty clear what they are once you notice. Tua started yesterday and was good.
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Ehud posted:Tua started yesterday and was good. Oh cool! I'll have to put that game on later and check it out, missed it obviously because of when it took place. Stats at least look strong, clearly his best game this year. And I know Reid Sinnett won't solve anything. I'd still like to see him play, it's just a selfish matter
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Play posted:Do you still have them just lurking back there? Are they like, unerupted or do you just have a longer set of teeth than everyone else? So many questions I still have them, and I believe they are unerupted. Not quite sure how everything works but every time I switch dentists there's a whole "those X-rays are gonna be weird" conversation. More than once I've had multiple dentists gathering around my X-rays.
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I agree that Flores needs to have his seat warmed but I think the Original Sin of the Dolphins is they are poo poo at drafting. There seems to be a lack of strategy/connection between the players the GM wants and the players the coach needs. I'd hesitate to say Flores is solely responsible for their dysfunction though.
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Fate Accomplice posted:I still have them, and I believe they are unerupted. Not quite sure how everything works but every time I switch dentists there's a whole "those X-rays are gonna be weird" conversation. More than once I've had multiple dentists gathering around my X-rays. hmmm. maybe I deserve a trip to the tit doctor. as a treat. it's always nice to be special even if its in the stupidest way possible pasaluki posted:I agree that Flores needs to have his seat warmed but I think the Original Sin of the Dolphins is they are poo poo at drafting. There seems to be a lack of strategy/connection between the players the GM wants and the players the coach needs. I'd hesitate to say Flores is solely responsible for their dysfunction though. Doesn't Flores have quite a lot of influence on the drafting? I'd assume he would. I do remember seeing an article though claiming that Flores wanted Justin Herbert so that's gotta be frustrating for him. Tua's recent decent game notwithstanding
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pasaluki posted:I agree that Flores needs to have his seat warmed but I think the Original Sin of the Dolphins is they are poo poo at drafting. There seems to be a lack of strategy/connection between the players the GM wants and the players the coach needs. I'd hesitate to say Flores is solely responsible for their dysfunction though. When guys that your HC cut go on to success elsewhere and outperform the guys you wind up keeping, the head coach is responsible When you overdraft a CB from Auburn because your HC was said to pound the table for him throughout the process, a process which has been assuredly described as “collaborative”, then yes quite a lot falls on Flores Grier should go as well. But Flores is the main culprit here
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Amy Pole Her posted:When guys that your HC cut go on to success elsewhere and outperform the guys you wind up keeping, the head coach is responsible You realize this brain fart just spoke 'Bo Nix, Miami Dolphins starting quarterback' into existence right? e: poo poo I read CB as QB, my perfect joke to torture you with actually thinking about has been ruined 
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Oct 18, 2021 21:09
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Play posted:Oh cool! I'll have to put that game on later and check it out, missed it obviously because of when it took place. You should, game's really fun and really, really stupid. I know it probably didn't effect much because it's not like the Dolphins' loss came from time management, but those two Flores challenges really just stick in my mind as prime examples of, "The dumber team today in a game against Urban loving Meyer." Like, the Jags had the body language of a team that was going to collectively Vontae Davis at the end of the game for the first half and then they got into the game and won, and all I can think of is those dumbass challenges.
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Amy Pole Her posted:
Fair enough. I don't follow them anywhere near like you and the other Dolfans do. I just think with all the early picks they had, the GM had such a critically important role.
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I called my shot on Flores last year and took some flack for it. But now I get to sit here all smug-like.
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pasaluki posted:Fair enough. I don't follow them anywhere near like you and the other Dolfans do. You’re not far off though. There’s a weird group of dolphins fans who are still loyal to Flores and genuinely are saying “well Grier drafts bad guys! And cuts the good ones!!” As if Flores is sitting there saying “gee Chris I liked that guy!”
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Amy Pole Her posted:You’re not far off though. There’s a weird group of dolphins fans who are still loyal to Flores and genuinely are saying “well Grier drafts bad guys! And cuts the good ones!!” As if Flores is sitting there saying “gee Chris I liked that guy!” I mean I liked the poo poo he was doing when the Dolphins were supposed to have one of the worst teams ever. They played very hard and tough that year and despite "tanking" the Jets were way more of a joke than the Dolphins. But yeah there just isn't that next progression you'd expect.
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pasaluki posted:They played very hard and tough that year and despite "tanking" the Jets were way more of a joke than the Dolphins.
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Diva Cupcake posted:The Jets were 7-9 that year? Not good by any means but “joke” is a bit harsh. Not to derail but the Jets were supposed to be super good that year and challenge for the division the Dolphins were supposed to be a historically bad team but the Dolphins beat the Jets by 8 points and the Jets got beaten by the &e Bengals by 2 scores, and got beaten by the Jaguars by 2 scores.
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Play posted:
Total Recall was a good movie.
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pasaluki posted:I agree that Flores needs to have his seat warmed but I think the Original Sin of the Dolphins is they are poo poo at drafting. There seems to be a lack of strategy/connection between the players the GM wants and the players the coach needs. I'd hesitate to say Flores is solely responsible for their dysfunction though. I don't think they're poo poo at drafting, either. This is what the Dolphins current GM is responsible for: Misc Passing Rushing Receiving Year Rnd Player Pick Pos To AP1 PB St CarAV G Cmp Att Yds TD Int Att Yds TD Rec Yds TD Int Sk College/Univ 2021 1 Jaylen Waddle 6 WR 2021 0 0 0 0 6 1 2 0 37 301 3 Alabama 2021 1 Jaelan Phillips 18 DL 2021 0 0 0 0 6 1.5 Miami (FL) 2021 2 Jevon Holland 36 S 2021 0 0 0 0 6 Oregon 2021 2 Liam Eichenberg 42 OL 2021 0 0 0 0 6 Notre Dame 2021 3 Hunter Long 81 TE 2021 0 0 0 0 3 0 0 0 Boston Col. 2021 7 Larnel Coleman 231 T 0 0 0 Massachusetts 2021 7 Gerrid Doaks 244 RB 0 0 0 Cincinnati 2020 1 Tua Tagovailoa 5 QB 2021 0 0 1 5 13 236 368 2358 14 7 43 132 4 Alabama 2020 1 Austin Jackson 18 T 2021 0 0 1 5 19 USC 2020 1 Noah Igbinoghene 30 CB 2021 0 0 0 2 18 Auburn 2020 2 Robert Hunt 39 G 2021 0 0 1 5 22 Louisiana 2020 2 Raekwon Davis 56 DT 2021 0 0 1 1 19 Alabama 2020 3 Brandon Jones 70 S 2021 0 0 0 2 22 3 Texas 2020 4 Solomon Kindley 111 G 2021 0 0 1 5 19 Georgia 2020 5 Jason Strowbridge 154 DE 2020 0 0 0 0 8 North Carolina 2020 5 Curtis Weaver 164 DE 0 0 0 Boise St. 2020 6 Blake Ferguson 185 LS 2021 0 0 0 0 22 LSU 2020 7 Malcolm Perry 246 RB 2020 0 0 0 1 9 3 5 0 9 92 1 Navy 2019 1 Christian Wilkins 13 DT 2021 0 0 2 14 36 1 1 1 1 6.5 Clemson 2019 3 Michael Deiter 78 G 2021 0 0 1 7 35 1 0 0 Wisconsin 2019 5 Andrew Van Ginkel 151 LB 2021 0 0 1 10 28 7 Wisconsin 2019 6 Isaiah Prince 202 T 2021 0 0 0 1 9 Ohio St. 2019 7 Chandler Cox 233 RB 2020 0 0 0 0 21 2 9 0 Auburn 2019 7 Myles Gaskin 234 RB 2021 0 0 1 8 23 217 893 4 72 575 4 Washington 2018 1 Minkah Fitzpatrick 11 S 2021 2 2 2 34 54 11 Alabama 2018 2 Mike Gesicki 42 TE 2021 0 0 1 12 53 156 1817 12 Penn St. 2018 3 Jerome Baker 73 OLB 2021 0 0 3 18 54 2 12.5 Ohio St. 2018 4 Durham Smythe 123 TE 2021 0 0 2 2 52 49 420 2 Notre Dame 2018 4 Kalen Ballage 131 RB 2021 0 0 1 5 41 207 644 7 52 285 0 Arizona St. 2018 6 Cornell Armstrong 209 CB 2020 0 0 0 1 30 Southern Miss 2018 7 Quentin Poling 227 LB 2019 0 0 0 0 1 Ohio 2018 7 Jason Sanders 229 K 2021 1 0 0 12 54 1 1 1 New Mexico 2017 1 Charles Harris 22 OLB 2021 0 0 0 7 60 10.5 Missouri 2017 2 Raekwon McMillan 54 LB 2020 0 0 2 9 45 Ohio St. 2017 3 Cordrea Tankersley 97 CB 2020 0 0 1 4 19 Clemson 2017 5 Isaac Asiata 164 G 2018 0 0 0 0 2 Utah 2017 5 Davon Godchaux 178 DT 2021 0 0 2 14 58 3 LSU 2017 6 Vincent Taylor 194 DT 2021 0 0 0 5 40 2 Oklahoma St. 2017 7 Isaiah Ford 237 WR 2021 0 0 0 4 21 1 11 0 52 523 0 Virginia Tech 2016 1 Laremy Tunsil 13 T 2021 0 2 5 34 77 Mississippi 2016 2 Xavien Howard 38 CB 2021 1 2 4 40 61 23 1 Baylor 2016 3 Kenyan Drake 73 RB 2021 0 0 2 27 83 723 3221 28 184 1421 7 Alabama 2016 3 Leonte Carroo 86 WR 2018 0 0 0 2 37 1 14 0 12 192 2 Rutgers 2016 6 Jakeem Grant 186 WR 2021 0 0 0 12 72 12 43 1 91 1001 5 Texas Tech 2016 6 Jordan Lucas 204 S 2021 0 0 0 4 50 1 1 Penn St. 2016 7 Brandon Doughty 223 QB 0 0 0 Western Kentucky 2016 7 Thomas Duarte 231 TE 2016 0 0 0 0 1 UCLA If you're really going to sit down and compare nuts and bolts to what NFL drafts actually look like, that's above average IMO. You can pretty much pick whoever you want in terms of your model team, and they're going to have blown 1st round picks, drafts that don't generate good starters, or hell even entire drafts you could functionally replace with like ~$5m in free agency spending. I think fans tend to hyper fixate on the draft in weird ways, when the reality is that there's a lot less than people think that separate one team from any other in terms of actual success in terms of stuff like busts, blue chip players, etc. The reality is it's probably more about getting a QB, and boring and subtle elements of roster management and depth. IMO if we're talking about the Dolphins personnel decisions, it's much more roster management and self-scouting than it is drafting that's the problem. That's much more of what separates a good team from a bad team in terms of personnel decisions, and I think the question for the Dolphins are more like why didn't you compensate at all for your young OL picks who you couldn't be sure would be good, why'd you depend so much on DeVante Parker/Will Fuller to be healthy, go with no linebackers who can shed a block in the run game, etc. Hamhandler fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Play posted:With the right quarterback I still think the Broncos could be pretty good. They need to romance A-Aron
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Hamhandler posted:Misc Passing Rushing Receiving okay but my eyes
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Hamhandler posted:You can pretty much pick whoever you want in terms of your model team, and they're going to have blown 1st round picks Most teams don't get 5 first round picks in two years.
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pasaluki posted:Not to derail but the Jets were supposed to be super good that year and challenge for the division the Dolphins were supposed to be a historically bad team but the Dolphins beat the Jets by 8 points and the Jets got beaten by the &e Bengals by 2 scores, and got beaten by the Jaguars by 2 scores. I’m not sure you’re remembering clearly.
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Diva Cupcake posted:The 3 previous years the Jets were 5-11, 5-11, and 4-12. In no way we’re we supposed to be really good that year. It’s been 10 years since we were expected to be even pretty good. "Really good" is probably overselling it, but it was Darnold's second year (coming off a rookie year that ended with the oft-mention four games) and the front office spent a lot of money on Le'Veon Bell and CJ Mosley. Expectations were that the Jets would at least be in the wild card mix.
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Diva Cupcake posted:The 3 previous years the Jets were 5-11, 5-11, and 4-12. In no way we’re we supposed to be really good that year. It’s been 10 years since we were expected to be even pretty good. I think that was the offseason we were introduced to the Jets "best skill player group in the division" chat by mcmagic based on those legendary four Darnold games at the end of the prior season. So that is probably shading our memory.
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Maybe? Still not sure how how the last place finisher in the division was expected to be “super good” in any universe but your typical fan’s fever dream. You hope for incremental improvements when you root for a trash team, which 7-9 was. Like were the Marrone Bills having rattled off 6 straight last place finishes expected to do poo poo? Of course not. Diva Cupcake fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Diva Cupcake posted:The 3 previous years the Jets were 5-11, 5-11, and 4-12. In no way we’re we supposed to be really good that year. It’s been 10 years since we were expected to be even pretty good. I blame mcmagic he's the one who thought they would be really good. He infamously stated McDermott and Gase were the same caliber of coach.
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Theres a condition I affectionately refer to as "Raider Brain" I and others have been diagnosed with where every year the team is a "temporarily embarrassed super bowl winner" down on our luck and I suspect the jets have a similar strain
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Derek Fcking Carr posted:Theres a condition I affectionately refer to as "Raider Brain" I and others have been diagnosed with where every year the team is a "temporarily embarrassed super bowl winner" down on our luck and I suspect the jets have a similar strain The Dolphins have had a similar condition since the Jay Fielder years
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Relentlessboredomm posted:hilariously the Raiders are the least delusional on that front Hard disagree
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Since 2003, I've never felt that the Raiders have fielded an honestly good team. Even 2016 was mostly due to smoke, mirrors, luck and Del Rio having balls the size of a celestial body. It's also possible that I'm in the minority.
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Black Sunshine posted:Since 2003, I've never felt that the Raiders have fielded an honestly good team. Even 2016 was mostly due to smoke, mirrors, luck and Del Rio having balls the size of a celestial body. No you're quite right, every team has been seriously flawed in some way
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The Bed and Breakfast offense with Tom Walsh broke my spirit. Ever since then, I've been numb to the point that JaMarcus "Purple Drank" Russell didn't even bother me too much.
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How has 00s Raiders chat gone this far without mention of Bruce Gradkowski?  AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I for one miss the heady days of Andrew Walter. His Wikipedia picture still makes me laugh, as did watching the 2006 Raiders “offense”.
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Probably Magic posted:You should, game's really fun and really, really stupid. I did end up watching it, and it's true that Tua did have what I think was probably the best game of his career. Accuracy on point for the most part, good movement in the pocket, nice quick release on short shrows (although I did notice that when he throws long or hard he really has to kind of wind up). Against the Jaguars to be fair, and still while working with a pretty short average depth of target (although that's not entirely on him, gameplan included a lot of WR screens and assorted quick passes). The coaching was really bad a not just in terms of horrible consecutive challenges (the second one iirc was somewhat close but you have to know 'close' isn't good enough to get an overturn) but also the play calling. The play calling was really really bad and in the most high-leverage game situations they generally made the worst play call possible. Either predictable, or not a good match with what the defense was showing, or completely bizarre. Only call I was impressed with all game was that Brisket fake QB sneak play-action kind of thing where he then hits the block-and-release tight end over the top. That owned and was a great call. Everything else not so much
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I for one miss the heady days of Andrew Walter. obligatory post 
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