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Re Fusion suit: I've also always imagined that the Fusion suit was effectively making Samus into an Eraserhead Baby where, if you took it off, it would just come off with her skin layer. Also, it's incredible how every suit that she wears under the armor is so much cooler than the Zero Suit, yet it's the one that got popular.
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Escobarbarian posted:How far through the game am I if I just defeated Escue, grabbed the Storm Missiles, and am now up against the Twin Robot Chozo Soldiers? your mileage may vary
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Oct 19, 2021 07:12
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You could totally make a metroid game now based on the plot of someone trying to clone samus and getting horrific chimerical abominations instead. She has multiple strains of chozo dna, metroid dna, all the dna the x parasites had, including ridley. I totally have this headcanon that after dread samus has to go to a high-end government medical facility afterwards to update her physiological records so that various medical , biohazard, and security scanners at spaceports don't immediately think shes an imposter or infected with a unknown disease. Hell, they probably have to figure out if various space vaccinations required for going to various planets still work.
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Oct 19, 2021 07:33
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Your Computer posted:the thing that made samus revert at the end was 100% the thoha genes from bird friend, which as he explained can control the metroid. so sammy presumably just got better control over her beast mode. Wait - if Samus incorporated the Thoha genes by eating Quiet Robe's X parasite at the end there (which is the correct read as far as I know), what does that imply about all the X parasites she's been eating all game? Has she been incorporating the DNA of every random critter on the planet into her? That genome might be more hosed than we ever imagined. Look forward to the upcoming sequel, Metroid: Aria of Zebes, where you learn new powers by absorbing the
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Oct 19, 2021 07:46
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Hyper Crab Tank posted:Wait - if Samus incorporated the Thoha genes by eating Quiet Robe's X parasite at the end there (which is the correct read as far as I know), what does that imply about all the X parasites she's been eating all game? Has she been incorporating the DNA of every random critter on the planet into her? That genome might be more hosed than we ever imagined. This is how it explains some of the abilities she gains in both Fusion and Dread at this point, so I think it's fair to say this is the case 
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Oct 19, 2021 08:13
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Pharohman777 posted:You could totally make a metroid game now based on the plot of someone trying to clone samus and getting horrific chimerical abominations instead.
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Oct 19, 2021 08:53
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I've been trying to go for early grapple and I'm having a lot of trouble. I can do the slide-jump for the energy part and the first one in the room about 90%, but I can't manage the last one at all. Is the timing different for some reason?
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Oct 19, 2021 09:29
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Bruceski posted:I've been trying to go for early grapple and I'm having a lot of trouble. I can do the slide-jump for the energy part and the first one in the room about 90%, but I can't manage the last one at all. Is the timing different for some reason? The second jump has much tighter timing to get right. Too early, and you bonk on the ceiling and fall, too late, and you'll miss your jump window and fall. Save at the station to the left and just keep trying.
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Oct 19, 2021 09:33
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Alright, 100% in 03:41:43, still with some stupidities. Now to see if I can replicate the success in Hard Mode. Bruceski posted:I've been trying to go for early grapple and I'm having a lot of trouble. I can do the slide-jump for the energy part and the first one in the room about 90%, but I can't manage the last one at all. Is the timing different for some reason? If it helps, the proper timing for a slide-jump is later than you'd think it is -- I had issues with it until I realized the jump doesn't trigger while Samus still has her hand on the ledge she's sliding off of, and after that I've never flubbed a slide-jump again.
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Oct 19, 2021 09:53
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Is it silly if all this almost makes me want a Metroid character action game? Going Metroid mode would be a hell of a Devil Trigger mechanic.
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Oct 19, 2021 12:50
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The Bee posted:Is it silly if all this almost makes me want a Metroid character action game? Going Metroid mode would be a hell of a Devil Trigger mechanic. I'd be really happy if they gave the IP to Platinum after Bayonetta 3 is done. They have a really good working relationship with Nintendo already and I think it'd be a great fit (as long as they didn't put the B team on it...).
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Oct 19, 2021 12:55
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Bruceski posted:I've been trying to go for early grapple and I'm having a lot of trouble. I can do the slide-jump for the energy part and the first one in the room about 90%, but I can't manage the last one at all. Is the timing different for some reason? You can technically also sequence break without doing this slide jump in the lava room by doing a different one in the emmi room. The difficulty to pull off is somewhere between the first and second ones, but as long as you've juked the emmi and they aren't bothering you in that room, it's much safer to pull off as a failure doesn't mean you have to reset.
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Oct 19, 2021 13:05
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Quite a ways past that now exploring various skips. I got early Gravity, which forced me into the iced up area. Did early Screw Attack there (surprisingly easy, I thought the diagonal ballspark into a tunnel would take more tries but there's a marker right there when you know what to look for) Since everything's iced up do I need to fight the boss anyway, or is there a way to juke him? By the time I loop around everywhere to get back to where I'm supposed to be (I think that's take G to F and get space jump) it might have been easier to just not do the skips.
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Oct 19, 2021 13:11
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Once you fight Escue with the screw attack, you'll not say it was easier to sequence break.
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Oct 19, 2021 13:12
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Bruceski posted:I've been trying to go for early grapple and I'm having a lot of trouble. I can do the slide-jump for the energy part and the first one in the room about 90%, but I can't manage the last one at all. Is the timing different for some reason? I've had luck just jumping before samus fully leaves the tunnel. Hasn't failed me since I tried it. I know this goes against what the others are saying, but that is my experience.
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Oct 19, 2021 13:59
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mastajake posted:I've had luck just jumping before samus fully leaves the tunnel. Hasn't failed me since I tried it. I know this goes against what the others are saying, but that is my experience. Yeah, experimenting in the energy part room it looks like there's a couple of places for the jump to activate. Sometimes I could jump right away, sometimes I could wait so long it looked like I was skipping off the lava. Interesting to play around with. Anyway, 40% items and 4:31. If I hadn't gotten lost a few times it would've been close. I think I did every one of the "official" skips, so I now know how they fit together, I'll just have to have another go before it goes cold again. The quick-kill on the second boss feels like a trap for speedrunning. Early grapple into bombs is great, but you really want to follow that forwards instead of backtracking.
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Oct 19, 2021 15:00
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stev posted:I'd be really happy if they gave the IP to Platinum after Bayonetta 3 is done. They have a really good working relationship with Nintendo already and I think it'd be a great fit (as long as they didn't put the B team on it...). As I replayed through the final boss entirely through counters last night, I had this exact though. Platinum Metroid seems like such an easy layup. Granted, so did Team Ninja
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Oct 19, 2021 15:46
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Your Computer posted:that is literally the opposite of how it works though. the metroid dna eats x before it has a chance to infect, that's why the metroid vaccine worked in the first place as per fusion's intro. the thing that made samus revert at the end was 100% the thoha genes from bird friend, which as he explained can control the metroid. so sammy presumably just got better control over her beast mode. That makes WAY more sense
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Oct 19, 2021 16:01
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Sockser posted:As I replayed through the final boss entirely through counters last night, I had this exact though. Platinum Metroid seems like such an easy layup. Granted, so did Team Ninja grapple beam pull into a clothesline followed by an elbow drop on some alien bug monster button-mashing beatdown sequence with Ridley ending in a deep cross-counter Your Computer posted:that is literally the opposite of how it works though. the metroid dna eats x before it has a chance to infect, that's why the metroid vaccine worked in the first place as per fusion's intro. the thing that made samus revert at the end was 100% the thoha genes from bird friend, which as he explained can control the metroid. so sammy presumably just got better control over her beast mode. click in L3+R3 to go into Ending Spoiler Metroid Trigger Mode Man some of the hidden walls don't get the flashing indicator on the map screen for some reason- I was able to find everything via contextual clues in other rooms or just big blank spaces on the map Feeling pretty confident with the bosses; going to try a sorta speedy lowish % Hard run and see how it goes Monkey Fracas fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Oct 19, 2021 |
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Oct 19, 2021 16:04
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Good Sphere posted:I wonder what the producers of Metroid are going to do for future games to not follow the same trope of Samus somehow losing all her items in the beginning. You could probably still start the game without the upgrades, but you need a good explanation for it. Zelda somehow does this without me thinking too hard about it, but it’s not convincing for Metroid. There’s got to be a solution for it. If they're cool they'll use the developments from this game to completely reboot her ability set for the next one, so instead of finding an excuse for her to lose and re-acquire all the same old crap, she can instead gain an entirely new set of different and unfamiliar upgrades.
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Oct 19, 2021 16:13
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Just finished the game today. so why is Samus a lady and not a space bird
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Oct 19, 2021 16:14
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giogadi posted:Just finished the game today. Oh my god, Karen. You can't just ask someone why they're human.
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Oct 19, 2021 16:15
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stev posted:I'd be really happy if they gave the IP to Platinum after Bayonetta 3 is done. They have a really good working relationship with Nintendo already and I think it'd be a great fit (as long as they didn't put the B team on it...). Only if they put The Team That Makes Bayonetta on it and not the team that makes All Of Their Other Games
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Oct 19, 2021 17:02
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giogadi posted:Just finished the game today. She was raised by birds, that entails not being a bird herself
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Oct 19, 2021 17:23
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giogadi posted:Just finished the game today. She's a human with human parents. She was orphaned in a pirate raid and the Chozo took her in, genetically modified her and gave her the power suit.
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Oct 19, 2021 17:31
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Ridley killed and ate Samus’ human parents and then killed (and possibly ate) her bird parents as well, which is a pretty impressive villainous flex “Hey Samus, been adopted by anyone lately? I’ve got a cheat day coming up”
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Oct 19, 2021 17:45
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Why do chozo need a space jump?
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Oct 19, 2021 17:47
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ikanreed posted:Why do chozo need a space jump? I don't think you'd have much luck trying to fly via flapping in space
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Oct 19, 2021 17:50
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ikanreed posted:Why do chozo need a space jump? Some lunatic keeps designing their planets with huge gently caress off holes that you need to go up and down without an elevator.
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Oct 19, 2021 17:51
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Birds can fly. Birds in full plate presumably have a much harder time flying.
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Oct 19, 2021 17:52
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Also, I'm gonna say it: the next 2D Metroid should just ditch or heavily rework the space jump, it trivialises 90% of the endgame platforming and makes the final map sweep kind of a dull anti-climax unless you do it all properly on the honour system
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Oct 19, 2021 17:53
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Arzaac posted:Birds can fly. Did you fight the boss of this game?
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multijoe posted:Also, I'm gonna say it: the next 2D Metroid should just ditch or heavily rework the space jump, it trivialises 90% of the endgame platforming and makes the final map sweep kind of a dull anti-climax unless you do it all properly on the honour system Eh that's the reason I like it - you generally get it after you've already scoured the entire map a couple of times. It feels like a victory lap.
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Oct 19, 2021 17:57
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stev posted:Eh that's the reason I like it - you generally get it after you've already scoured the entire map a couple of times. It feels like a victory lap. Yeah space jump plus screw attack is like your "here you're done being challenged by regular problems, go collect things" signal. There's an important dimension to metroidvania where you feel like an unstoppable badass by the end without resorting to pure number go up.
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Oct 19, 2021 18:05
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ikanreed posted:Did you fight the boss of this game? Yeah, and he's presumably one of the strongest chozo around. I imagine most chozo don't want to or can't put in that much effort
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Oct 19, 2021 18:17
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ikanreed posted:Yeah space jump plus screw attack is like your "here you're done being challenged by regular problems, go collect things" signal. I know people don't like the last section of Zero Mission but it's so cool when you get the fully-powered suit back afterwards with all the upgrades and it turns on the music and just lets you go wild blasting away the space pirates that were hunting you a few minutes before
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Oct 19, 2021 18:37
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I like the last section of ZM. Puilling off a full stealth no-alert run is one of my proudest gaming achievements, and requires some insane crumble-block dodging, single-wall jumping and mid-air balling. It really pushes the engine and Samus' movement abilities to the limit. edit: also it's proof that metroid can crawl
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Oct 19, 2021 18:44
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HenryEx posted:I like the last section of ZM.  "The ship is on full lockdown and blocking access to the Chozo Ruins while scouting shows the Hunter's armor was destroyed in the crash, we have her now" *10 minutes later* "Ha, the fabled Hunter is clearly too scared of our might. Hold on, why are there weird noises coming from that Chozo ritual chamber, Bob grab a squad and go check it out" "On it boss OH gently caress NO HELP EMERGENCY IT'S THE HUN" 
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Oct 19, 2021 19:12
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Oxxidation posted:Ridley killed and ate Samus’ human parents and then killed (and possibly ate) her bird parents as well, which is a pretty impressive villainous flex Is it that time again to link this comic? 
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Omobono posted:
People keep comparing Samus to Doomguy. Who is Doomguy?
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